Nanas pies berry scare

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
We have some of the best produce in the world grown here and parties import rubbish from China.

Some of these Australian companies are just so dumb. Feeding us berries laiden with fecal matter. Disgusting

Nanas pies are now permanently off the table at my house.

What was this CEO thinking. He should go. Resign. Disgraceful.

This is a great example of how profit and greed has been placed ahead of quality and health.

The nanas brand is now trashed.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yep, just goes to show that for the sake of a few extra quid, you can destroy your brand.  But with all these "free trade" agreements, what is there to protect our food security?

It's not just the sourcing of the raw food that can be problematic, think of the waste of resources in sending food grown/caught locally on a 20000km journey to be packaged/processed in China and then sold here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2796675/caught-new-zealand-crumbed-china-packed-right-australia-ridiculous-journey-coles-fish-travelled-17000km-kilometres-end-supermarket-shelf.html

Ridiculous.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
This is a pet hate of mine.

The only people who have been trying to put together legislation to make it easier for consumers to buy Australian have been the Greens. They wanted to introduce laws to eliminate some of the tricks around 'local and imported ingredients' and 'made in...' versus actual produce of Australia. The idea behind it was to help consumers better identify if something was actually grown and harvested in this country as opposed to foreign and imported foods masquerading as Australian because of tricks manufacturers use with labelling. For some reason these sensible proposals have been consistently opposed by both major parties.

You can read more about their proposal here.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

This is a pet hate of mine.

The only people who have been trying to put together legislation to make it easier for consumers to buy Australian have been the Greens. They wanted to introduce laws to eliminate some of the tricks around 'local and imported ingredients' and 'made in...' versus actual produce of Australia. The idea behind it was to help consumers better identify if something was actually grown and harvested in this country as opposed to foreign and imported foods masquerading as Australian because of tricks manufacturers use with labelling. For some reason these sensible proposals have been consistently opposed by both major parties.

You can read more about their proposal here.
don_dunstan
It's not just the Greens pushing for this.  Katter's mob and others too, but notice that the Australian National Retailers Association are resisting regulations: http://www.theland.com.au/news/agriculture/agribusiness/general-news/fighting-for-australianmade/2670179.aspx
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Mr & Mrs Average Australian demands food to be as cheap as possible, regardless of the quality. Hence these Chilean or Chinese grown and Chinese distributed berries.

Talk to the average shopper...they only want cheap...cheap as possible.

For the record because of where I live I grow my own berries in season, rinse through a colander and freeze to have a ready supply all year.

Mike.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
The simple answer is to grow and prepare all your own food...

Apparently it's not that hard, my nephew and his wife do it on their 3 acre block. Almost all anyway.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Mike, Graham, don't think I'm defending Patties to the hilt, in fact I laughed after noticing the savage drop in their share price yesterday (which has since recovered somewhat as people realise that they are not really a bad long-term investment - not that I own any.) But I totally excuse them for importing berries.

The vast majority of people do not grow their own produce and freeze it for year round consumption, nor do they have a 3 acre block to enable them to become almost self-sufficient. The reason that food producers and distributors import ingredients from overseas is simply because there is a demand for the product, even if that product is technically in season here. Patties is simply meeting that demand. Besides, they do not sell fresh berries. If they harvest locally grown berries, they will more than likely appear in a bag in the freezer at your local supermarket in the middle of winter, and so on.

The average shopper is simply not discerning enough to care how fresh the product is. Case in point, Pink Lady apples. According to the following they are only picked in one month of the year but are available for purchase for most of the year. A shopper can buy them now and assume that they are 'fresh' simply because they look okay, are not rotten and do not taste repulsive. Do they really care otherwise?

http://www.aussieapples.com.au/aussie-grown-varieties/pink-lady.aspx
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The vast majority of people do not grow their own produce and freeze it for year round consumption, nor do they have a 3 acre block to enable them to become almost self-sufficient. The reason that food producers and distributors import ingredients from overseas is simply because there is a demand for the product, even if that product is technically in season here. Patties is simply meeting that demand. Besides, they do not sell fresh berries. If they harvest locally grown berries, they will more than likely appear in a bag in the freezer at your local supermarket in the middle of winter, and so on.
DirtyBallast
I agree, there was nothing dishonest or bad about the fact that Patties imports frozen berries from China - it's just that scares like this one remind me of why I prefer Aussie produce when I shop - because I believe it to be superior and safer than imported stuff. That's why I had the small rant earlier about labelling laws - because I think we need to protect our own produce from being watered down or substituted with foreign food. I want to know exactly where something has come from.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The crazy thing is that our labeling laws are so lax.  How can we as consumers tell of the origin of a product's content when it's labelled "Made from local and imported ingredients"?  The berries could be from New Zealand, China, Chernobyl contaminated fields in Ukraine....  Who knows?

Here's a bit of a backgrounder from the ACCC:  http://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Country%20of%20origin%20and%20the%20Australian%20Consumer%20Law.pdf
  Bethungra Train Controller

The crazy thing is that our labeling laws are so lax.  How can we as consumers tell of the origin of a product's content when it's labelled "Made from local and imported ingredients"?  The berries could be from New Zealand, China, Chernobyl contaminated fields in Ukraine....  Who knows?

Here's a bit of a backgrounder from the ACCC:  http://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Country%20of%20origin%20and%20the%20Australian%20Consumer%20Law.pdf
Carnot

The entire problem is by design. How on earth were cars and locomotives with asbestos allowed to enter this country?  Australia has a lot of corruption just like everywhere else.

On the radio they were talking today about other countries and people being sick.  

There should be pressure on the CEO of Patties to resign.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There should be pressure on the CEO of Patties to resign.
Bethungra
For what? He didn't put HAV into the berry packets.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The crazy thing is that our labeling laws are so lax.  How can we as consumers tell of the origin of a product's content when it's labelled "Made from local and imported ingredients"?  The berries could be from New Zealand, China, Chernobyl contaminated fields in Ukraine....  Who knows?

Here's a bit of a backgrounder from the ACCC:  http://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Country%20of%20origin%20and%20the%20Australian%20Consumer%20Law.pdf
Carnot
Source description is really hard to do. Manufacturers don't put 'imported ingredients' on a packet to be misleading or disguise a country of origin. They print those words because it's the most accurate thing to do.

Many times with produce there is not a single source and if there is a single source today or this week, there likely is a different singular source or multiple sources the next day or next week. How many different boxes do you expect manufacturers to maintain printed and ready to go, just incase a source changes?

Then, you have to get the below minimum wage guys on the factory floor (who likely can't read english anyway) to determine that the produce going in matches the printed information on the packaging.

The Greens can enter all of the legislation they like, so long as their membership pays the full cost, not the rest of all consumers who truly only give a smeg about the bottom dollar.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
"Made from local and imported ingredients"
Carnot
Meaning the Used By Date stamp was made in Australia, everything else was imported.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Then, you have to get the below minimum wage guys on the factory floor (who likely can't read english anyway) to determine that the produce going in matches the printed information on the packaging.
Aaron
I think you are making this sound much more complicated than it actually is - I think it's a reasonable expectation from the consumer to have some basic information that's factual, true and correct. As an example, we had instances a few years ago where Chinese frozen vegetables were being landed in NZ, repacked and then labelled 'Product of New Zealand' in an obvious attempt to obscure the real country of origin.

We should give consumers the information they need to make a proper and informed decision about keeping jobs in this country and buying products that they have been shown time and again to prefer - Aussie made/grown products.

Barnaby Joyce should be on the bandwagon for helping Aussie growers but as usual he's all talk and no action:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/consumers-being-urged-to-buy-australian-food-after-frozen-berry-recall-but-its-not-as-easy-as-it-sounds/story-fneuz8zj-1227223897052
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Some food marked as "Product of New Zealand" actually originates in China but is processed/ packaged in Kiwi land.

No more New Zealand product in our house.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Regarding the CEO. He shoul have known the berries from
China were of lesser quality and there was a risk of contamination as they has been in the past.

I agree. He is the boss and should be held accountable.

The problem with Australia is a lack of accountability.

People need to be held accountable for the issues they cause.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
No one has mentioned the fact that it is known that Chinese growers use human sewage on their produce as fertilizer (I assume), meaning that their produce might carry all sorts of questionable bugs, including Hep A.
  Bethungra Train Controller

No one has mentioned the fact that it is known that Chinese growers use human sewage on their produce as fertilizer (I assume), meaning that their produce might carry all sorts of questionable bugs, including Hep A.
xxxxlbear

Holy SH*T!!!!
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Exactly
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
No one has mentioned the fact that it is known that Chinese growers use human sewage on their produce as fertilizer (I assume), meaning that their produce might carry all sorts of questionable bugs, including Hep A.
xxxxlbear
No one has mentioned that this is just another internet myth. Personal observations in rural area of China in 1988 and 2005 saw nothing to back these claims up.

But if you have hard evidence to back it up, by all means feel free to share it with us.

Given the Nippy's case in Australia several years ago, it must logically follow that Australian orange growers do exactly the same here.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
No one has mentioned that this is just another internet myth. Personal observations in rural area of China in 1988 and 2005 saw nothing to back these claims up.

But if you have hard evidence to back it up, by all means feel free to share it with us.

Given the Nippy's case in Australia several years ago, it must logically follow that Australian orange growers do exactly the same here.
bingley hall
http://www.lead.org.au/lanv10n1/lanv10n1-4.html
http://www.agroecology.org/Case%20Studies/nightsoil.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/08/080821-human-waste.html
  bingley hall Minister for Railways
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise

Given the Nippy's case in Australia several years ago, it must logically follow that Australian orange growers do exactly the same here.
bingley hall
Not logical.

The Nippy's case was not caused by the application of sewerage sludge to the trees, it was caused by Salmonella contaminating fungicide tanks used for control.
http://www.vrlaw.com.au/cases/pdfs/200402161458400.Dowdell%20v%20Knispel%20Fruit%20Juices%20judgment.pdf

Even ignoring that, the difference in the risk of contamination between applying sludge to a ground based food (like berries and lettuce) and to foods grown on a tree (like oranges) and to foods that are not consumed in their natural state (like sugar), is huge.

The risk of contamination in applying sludges to foods like berries, lettuce and tomatoes, is very high and well known in the industry.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Regarding the CEO. He should have known the berries from
China were of lesser quality and there was a risk of contamination as they has been in the past.

I agree. He is the boss and should be held accountable.

The problem with Australia is a lack of accountability.

People need to be held accountable for the issues they cause.
freightgate
He should be accountable if Patties had no quality standards and no second party audits done by their company. However you don't know if they did or not. I would be surprised if they had none. We will find out as they will be about to enter a world of litigation and reputational loss.

If he didn't have any quality systems, then he might be shown the door. However it might be the case that they do and the supplier may have not followed the agreed system. Time will tell by the board's actions. The company involved has now two damaged brands and they won't like that. But it might turn out that the supplier played games, so why the CEO be accountable for that when there was an agreement made in good faith?

However the extra risk is that these arrangements are for producers in other nations , so you are right in that sense that what normally is expected here in Australia cannot be assume to happen there. So what additional effort did they have in place to manage that risk. As I said it will go through a long legal fight, but we will find out.

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