Abbott's imploding act-

 
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
"Gee, sorry Tones, turns out you're twice as unpopular as the average MP is prepared to admit."

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Graham Richardson (Mr "Whatever it takes") says in his regular article in the Australian that Tony Abbott has already given the Japanese the contract for our new generation submarine but that it won't be announced till later this year. Apparently that lie he told the various SA Liberal politicians bought him another four votes - so the leadership spill would have been 43 to 57 - a lot worse.

Richo thinks that it's only a matter of time before the documents pertaining to this deal are leaked.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Gutless announcement today about the submarines by Kevin Andrews.

Australian companies are not in the running but somehow there'll still be 'hundreds' of jobs kept in Adelaide. They're attempting to soften everyone up for the inevitable announcement that they've actually gone with Japan... they're trying to figure out the best time to tell everyone (ANZAC Day? Xmas Eve?).
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Graham Richardson (Mr "Whatever it takes") says in his regular article in the Australian that Tony Abbott has already given the Japanese the contract for our new generation submarine but that it won't be announced till later this year. Apparently that lie he told the various SA Liberal politicians bought him another four votes - so the leadership spill would have been 43 to 57 - a lot worse.

Richo thinks that it's only a matter of time before the documents pertaining to this deal are leaked.
don_dunstan
I think you are on the money and that this saga will be the torpedo that sinks Abbott as the PM.

Ironically its not the issue at the heart of it, but the way it is being done.

I think if a deal was to do technology transfer and say 50% are built in Australia and 50% in Japan, with maintenance and sustainment in Australia, then most Australians would be fine with it if it brought savings. But if they have done secret deals and yet publically make commitments to the opposite effect, then he will get shown the door, as the public wont wear that. His backbenchers will feel the heat as their government will have a perception of untrustworthiness.

He is too heavy handed like with the Bali 9 matter trying to link tsunami aid to it. Whereas Bishop is trying to be diplomatic and using the softer approach with the Indonesians. Obviously Abbott doesn't understand about attitudes of saving face. But nooooo, he wants to paint them in a corner so that domestic political considerations of the Indonesians, will ruin any chance of saving those two.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Big J: It's hard to know what might happen but Andrews seemed to be alluding to some kind of "technology transfer" like you were suggesting. They keep dancing around the basic premise of the heavy engineering being done here and I suspect that what they'll do is transfer the construction of some of the fittings or consoles to somewhere in Adelaide (perhaps Edinburgh?) while doing most of the actual engineering in Japan. Andrews continuing references to "hundreds of jobs still in Australia during construction" seems to be hinting at a radical scaling down with Osborne being closed, which is really breaking the promise in 2013 in my opinion.

They just haven't figured out how they are going to break the news yet!

Leaving aside the debate as to whether or not we should do another generation Collins class, my concern is that government money for a large defence contract is going to leave South Australia at a time when there's been a diabolical collapse in all sorts of manufacturing employment and seemingly very little to take its place.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Why the hell do we need submarines?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Why the hell do we need submarines?
Valvegear
Good question ...... has the navy even managed to fully crew the Collins class subs yet??
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Still on the topic of federal politicians; Senator Cory Bernardi has a very interesting web of financial interests - including an internet company that promotes risky betting on the ASX with book-makers as a way of getting rich quick, really interesting stuff considering he's also the chair of a parliamentary committee on politicians and their conflicts of interest... interesting article on The Saturday Paper.

The allegations about using a charity to sell his book and then subsequently not paying the charity are pretty outrageous if true.

Who would have thunk that a moral crusader for the right would turn out to be dodgy...
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Why the hell do we need submarines?
Valvegear


For the next war?
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
National security is definitely a vote winner for Abbott. Expect to see these announcements drip fed until the next election.

Revoking citizenship sounds great but how effective would it be? If you're so inclined, losing citizenship is going to give you pause - really Rolling Eyes
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
It's just a pity that Abbott sees his role as having be a tough guy all the time. Shirt fronting Putin, sticking foreign aid up the Indonesian President, refugees, boat people, even abusing the Human Rights Commission, and so on.
He's Australia's answer to Arnold Schwarzenegger.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
For the next war?
Groundrelay
We will need them to declare war on Indonesia to punish them for dealing with a couple of criminals who would probably have got a kiss from the magistrate had they been caught here.
We won't have anyone to crew them but don't worry, she'll be right, we will rent crews from Serco or someone.
It is appalling that the entire government of Australia and its foreign policy is being dictated by a couple of drug smugglers.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Why the hell do we need submarines?
Valvegear

I will answer that by saying, "why do we need any kind of defence".

We live in an unstable world, we need defence because in the end at some time we will be attacked and we CANNOT rely on some other country to bail us out. With the worlds population increasing there will come a time when a country desperate for resources be it water, food, oil or land will attack and we MUST have a capable defence force for our own defence Just because we live in a relatively peacefull country in a relatively peacefull world simply does NOT mean we will not at some time be invloved in a war for our very survival.

Another casuality of this is the Australian ship building industry, particular vessels for defence, The Collins class submarine inspite of all its problems, most of which were the result of politcal inerference, is regarded as an excellent submarine, very quite underwater and VERY diffficult to detect. In some recent war exercises a collins class sub managed to get by the american "enemies" defences and "sink" a number of vessels. This is regarded world wide as an excellent result as the american defence forces are well resourced.

woodford
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
According to the Australian, Tony Abbott is set to announce a commission into labelling laws conceding that there may need to be a 'modest' impost on business.

As per the discussion on the 'Nana's berries' thread it looks like they're set to give ground on this issue -
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Yesterday, and this morning the media have quickly slipped into another leadership spill prediction frenzy, with claims now being made that Turnbull does now have the numbers to topple tones
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Yesterday, and this morning the media have quickly slipped into another leadership spill prediction frenzy, with claims now being made that Turnbull does now have the numbers to topple tones
Pressman
If Turnbull does win at a spill, he may be leader in the parliament, but the voters will be off in droves.   The number of informal votes will increase substantially as Liberal voters protest in big numbers - anything but voting for Shorten.   The only voters that want Turnbull as leader are Labor voters.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
If Turnbull does win at a spill, he may be leader in the parliament, but the voters will be off in droves.   The number of informal votes will increase substantially as Liberal voters protest in big numbers - anything but voting for Shorten.   The only voters that want Turnbull as leader are Labor voters.
Donald
I think Labor are very happy with the status quo of watching Abbott self-destruct. Turnbull would be no easy-beat for Labor. And are you sure the next Leader wont be the New, Improved, Cute'n'Cuddly Scottie Morrison? Wouldn't be surprised if he pops up on the cover of No Idea soon.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
I think Labor are very happy with the status quo of watching Abbott self-destruct. Turnbull would be no easy-beat for Labor. And are you sure the next Leader wont be the New, Improved, Cute'n'Cuddly Scottie Morrison? Wouldn't be surprised if he pops up on the cover of No Idea soon.
apw5910
So long as he is not knitting!!!!!!
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Look out, Tony, I'm coming.

MT.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
If Turnbull does win at a spill, he may be leader in the parliament, but the voters will be off in droves.   The number of informal votes will increase substantially as Liberal voters protest in big numbers - anything but voting for Shorten.   The only voters that want Turnbull as leader are Labor voters.
Donald
I agree with other comments here that the opposite is true - Turnbull as PM is Shortens' worst nightmare because he's going to wedge the Labor Party on a lot of issues and he might actually prove competent and conciliatory - two qualities that Abbott definitely doesn't bring to the role. However I would agree with you that a lot of Liberals are too dry to contemplate a Prime Minister who embraces carbon trading - it's a tricky situation.

Either way Tony Abbott either has to start cutting through with the public or hope that something drops from the sky to save him (Tampa?) or he's finished - perhaps very soon.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Latest polls out this week show Tony finally catching up with the Labor Party 49/51 two party preferred. I think it's no coincidence that there was a six-flag national security announcement about revoking the Centrelink entitlements of jihadists combined with a pretend crack-down on illegal residential property purchases by foreign (read: Chinese) investors.

I can't speak for the rest of the country but there's a lot of concern about the insane prices being paid for ordinary residential properties in neighbourhoods favoured by foreign nationals - as seen in this recent example for a cream-brick fifties house in ordinary old Mount Waverley. There was some burbling from Tony last week along the lines of a $5000 fee for foreign nationals buying houses here and I think that might resonate well with people being priced out of Melbourne's east. However knowing our Prime Minister it was probably just a brain fart and he has no intention of following through...
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Fees won't fix the problem. The problem isn't foreign buyers - they're a symptom of the wider problem, which is that housing prices in Melbourne and Sydney are grossly inflated. There are a number of solutions, all of which are to some degree unpalatable:
  • Enforced occupancy rates (to prevent a repeat of the Docklands - estimated 25% occcupancy rates in some towers!)
  • Zoning reform in gentrified suburbs - allow much higher housing densities in these areas that have high quality transport and infrastructure. Of course, the residents will riot but if they're not going to vote for you anyway...
  • Property levies on suburbs that have good transport and infrastructure to build good quality infrastructure elsewhere (to raise demand in the outer suburbs and so on)
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Fees won't fix the problem. The problem isn't foreign buyers - they're a symptom of the wider problem, which is that housing prices in Melbourne and Sydney are grossly inflated.
LancedDendrite
Spot on - there's multiple causes of extreme house prices of which foreign nationals are probably not the main culprit. And a $5000 fee is completely meaningless; if the Foreign Investment Review Board was doing its job properly then why would it be necessary to institute a fee?

The only reason this is being bought up now is that Tony has rediscovered the old Johnny Howard trick of the racist dog-whistle. "It's the fault of foreigners that you can't afford a house in Sydney or Melbourne". Sadly it will probably work.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Heaven help anyone who crosses Abbott because one radio network is going to go after you. Evil or Very Mad

Over the past week, the attacks by Goebbels Bastards on Gillian Triggs have been relentless, personal and disgusting. These mega rich attack dogs answerable to no one, show no restraint let alone balance. Unfortunately their disciples don't hear any other opinion or get facts these ratbags don't want them to hear.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The Liberals have slipped in the two-party preferred back to 45/55 according to the Australian.
I also read some speculation today that Four Corners on Monday will air documentary evidence that the submarine contract has already gone to Japan and in fact was signed off months ago with the Japanese Free Trade Agreement... interesting if true because they've been denying it for months.

Oh well... Tony did warn us in 2010 that we shouldn't believe anything he says!

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