Flinders Street Station - Upgrade to Proceed as Originally Built

 
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The Premier has announced  $ 100m to upgrade the existing Flinders Street station, followed by Stage 2 to re-develop existing un used areas such as the former VRI Ballroom .

Given the former Napthine Government had wasted Millions on a competition and design that was unfunded still after 12 months, it is good to see something happening at last .  The Age put a good case recently that most Melburnians would be quite satisfied if the existing station were restored / upgraded to the grandeur of its original design and construction .

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/work-begins-to-clean-up-and-save-flinders-street-station

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  Pastalatzis Beginner

Location: South Morang
As I mentioned in another post this is good news for that delightful old building which is an icon in Australia and especially Melbourne.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

The Premier has announced  $ 100m to upgrade the existing Flinders Street station, followed by Stage 2 to re-develop existing un used areas such as the former VRI Ballroom .

Given the former Napthine Government had wasted Millions on a competition and design that was unfunded still after 12 months, it is good to see something happening at last .  The Age put a good case recently that most Melburnians would be quite satisfied if the existing station were restored / upgraded to the grandeur of its original design and construction .

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/work-begins-to-clean-up-and-save-flinders-street-station
kuldalai
@ Kuldulai, The time frame for this is still eye wateringly long for a rather modest upgrade compared to what is happening in London.

London Bridge is going through extensive changes and railway re-modelling in conjunction with Thameslink and they are on track to complete it by 2018. That's Six years to rebuild junctions, refit the station, rejig signalling and all this happening whilst the Station is still operational and trains are still running.

4 Years to modernise some toilets and a ballroom, gives us a break.

Michael
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
If you read the link at the top of this thread, you will see that it is just a bit more than toilets and a ballroom.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
@ Kuldulai, The time frame for this is still eye wateringly long for a rather modest upgrade compared to what is happening in London.

London Bridge is going through extensive changes and railway re-modelling in conjunction with Thameslink and they are on track to complete it by 2018. That's Six years to rebuild junctions, refit the station, rejig signalling and all this happening whilst the Station is still operational and trains are still running.

4 Years to modernise some toilets and a ballroom, gives us a break.

Michael
mejhammers1

Some people still can't accept a change of government and new government that wants and has to get on with doing things...or like its predecessor it too may become a 1 term wonder in November 2018.

Mike.
  comet4 Station Master

I hope the work includes doing something about the appalling pedestrian tunnel at the western Elizabeth Street end, it needs widening, getting rid of and replacing those ghastly stained and broken tiles (heritage or not). Same with the Degraves Street subway.

While they are at it, what about tunnelling under Flinders Street to avoid the congestion at those Elizabeth St barriers, and bring passengers out in Elizabeth Street proper perhaps to an improved tram stop there. (Hopefully Robert Doyle's proposal of last week to improve that whole precinct gets some legs. That junction is a mess. Maybe, just maybe, the two projects could be co-ordinated together. (I wish.)
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
I hope the work includes doing something about the appalling pedestrian tunnel at the western Elizabeth Street end, it needs widening, getting rid of and replacing those ghastly stained and broken tiles (heritage or not). Same with the Degraves Street subway.

While they are at it, what about tunnelling under Flinders Street to avoid the congestion at those Elizabeth St barriers, and bring passengers out in Elizabeth Street proper perhaps to an improved tram stop there. (Hopefully Robert Doyle's proposal of last week to improve that whole precinct gets some legs. That junction is a mess. Maybe, just maybe, the two projects could be co-ordinated together. (I wish.)
comet4
There's a certain creek that runs underneath Elizabeth St and joins the Yarra near the station Yarra exit that probably prevents further tunnelling. Even though the creek is in a pipe, I would suspect the ground in this area is not quite stable - enormous expense to build underground.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Some people still can't accept a change of government and new government that wants and has to get on with doing things...or like its predecessor it too may become a 1 term wonder in November 2018.

Mike.
@Vinelander

Why is it with you that everything has to have a political slant? I have been critical of the Napthine Government. The fact that is Mr Andrews making announcements don't prove a flaming thing!!! He is doing what Politicians do and talk big !!!

Take for instance the Flinders Street Modernization. Big on announcement, so little on DETAIL. If he is in fact not going to alter the structure of the Station and just concentrate on modernizing facilities such as the Ballroom and Toilets, repairing the building’s crumbling exterior and clock tower, and fix the leaky roof, then 4 to 5 years to far too large a lead time for what is a Modest Project.

The Fact is the whole of Public Transport in this state is not where it should be, it needs a complete overhaul, Bus , Rail, Tram. So much can be done without spending $9 to $11 Billion on one mega project.


Michael
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

Why is it with you that everything has to have a political slant? I have been critical of the Napthine Government. The fact that is Mr Andrews making announcements don't prove a flaming thing!!! He is doing what Politicians do and talk big !!!

Take for instance the Flinders Street Modernization. Big on announcement, so little on DETAIL. If he is in fact not going to alter the structure of the Station and just concentrate on modernizing facilities such as the Ballroom and Toilets, repairing the building’s crumbling exterior and clock tower, and fix the leaky roof, then 4 to 5 years to far too large a lead time for what is a Modest Project.

The Fact is the whole of Public Transport in this state is not where it should be, it needs a complete overhaul, Bus , Rail, Tram. So much can be done without spending $9 to $11 Billion on one mega project.


Michael
mejhammers1

Politicians don't talk BIG....3 years and 9 months from the next election, there's absolutely no political advantage in doing so.

If we were over half way through this electoral cycle, there can be a degree of cynicism however when projects are announced early in a governments term, past experience shows that government is actually on the ground doing things.

Mike.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Artist's impression of Flinders Street Station two years after billions of dollars are spent "rebuilding" it...

[insert photo of current Flinders Street Station here]

Also, anyone noticed that there isn't a single X'Trapolis carriage left without graffiti throughout the interior? Not the smeared stain of graffiti that has been haphazardly rubbed off, but graffiti in full that has been untouched on the train for weeks; they don't even bother with the $2 dishwashing soap or whatever they formerly used which never worked anyway. A pack of whiteboard markers and a rag does a better job at removing permanent ink than what they are/were using.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
Glad to hear none of the ridiculous proposed "renovations" are going to be used. But I still wonder how the station was allowed to get into the state it's in. It's nothing but an embarassment to Melbourne and Australia and it's a bloody disgrace. You can't even use the toilets without dry reaching most of the time.
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

It's in this run-down state because none of the contracts for the operators of the system included clauses for, or had money allocated to the upkeep/refurbishment of the station.

Who do you blame for the condition of the toilets? Metro or the people who use the toilets? I see cleaners regularly trying to keep them clean, 10 mins later they're a pigsty again.
  TedHanson Junior Train Controller

It's in this run-down state because none of the contracts for the operators of the system included clauses for, or had money allocated to the upkeep/refurbishment of the station.

Who do you blame for the condition of the toilets? Metro or the people who use the toilets? I see cleaners regularly trying to keep them clean, 10 mins later they're a pigsty again.
Madjikthise
Never been in the female toilets but the male toilets are fine. OK, they smell like piss, but they are toilets where people piss. The cubicles are subject to the moron element who think vandalism is a substitute for intelligence, but there is not much else you can do about that while the toilets remain free. In Europe, you will pay at least 1 Euro to enter the station toilets and that does keep the riff raff out. But then they piss on the walls of the station. My main concern about FS is the state of the subways. Elizabeth Street is way too narrow for the amount of traffic. A solution must be found. Fixing the 50 year old leaks in the Degraves subway would be handy as well. It won't be cheap but is not going to get any cheaper.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Glad to hear none of the ridiculous proposed "renovations" are going to be used. .
Braddo
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Glad to hear none of the ridiculous proposed "renovations" are going to be used.
Braddo
A scene out of the "jetsons" as described on 3AW Radio
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
Who do you blame for the condition of the toilets? Metro or the people who use the toilets? I see cleaners regularly trying to keep them clean, 10 mins later they're a pigsty again.
Madjikthise
I blame the people who are responsible for the maintenance and cleaning of the toilets. It's not that difficult to install some air fresheners so the stench of piss isn't so overpowering that it makes you feel like vomiting.

I assume you are familiar with the toilets at Spencer Street. That is how a major station's toilets should be done. They really are an absolute pleasure to use compared with Flinders Street.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I blame the people who are responsible for the maintenance and cleaning of the toilets. It's not that difficult to install some air fresheners so the stench of piss isn't so overpowering that it makes you feel like vomiting.

I assume you are familiar with the toilets at Spencer Street. That is how a major station's toilets should be done. They really are an absolute pleasure to use compared with Flinders Street.
Braddo
I am a firm believer that if a charge was made for the toilets then patrons would not be so inclined to treat it like a cesspit.

I will repeat again, the time frame for this is still eye wateringly long for a rather modest upgrade compared to what is happening in London.

London Bridge is going through extensive changes and railway re-modelling in conjunction with Thameslink and they are on track to complete it by 2018. That's Six years to rebuild junctions, refit the station, rejig signalling and all this happening whilst the Station is still operational and trains are still running.

We have not seen any plans about the modernization apart from a Premiers Media Release. 4 Years for re-positioning Ticket Barriers, new departure boards (why do we need new departure boards? The existing ones a fine). 4 years for a modest project its ridiculous.

Michael
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

Actually the new layout of the displays at the top of the escalators is particularly bad.
Departures are listed in platform order, so you are not a regular traveller, you have to read every line to find your train.
Oh and don't stop reading when you get to the first one you see because there could be an earlier train further down the list on a different platform.
It should be an alphabetical listing so only a quick scan is required.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Thank heaven the absurd entries to the unlamented Mr Napthine's design competition have all been thrown out. The end result would have been an eyesore. It's a bleedin' railway station for Gawd's sake; it doesn't need to look like a cross between an extravagant Eastern bazaar and an up market seraglio.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Thank heaven the absurd entries to the unlamented Mr Napthine's design competition have all been thrown out. The end result would have been an eyesore. It's a bleedin' railway station for Gawd's sake; it doesn't need to look like a cross between an extravagant Eastern bazaar and an up market seraglio.
Valvegear
The competition had taken place when Ted Ballieu was Premier

Michael
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
The competition had taken place when Ted Ballieu was Premier

Michael
mejhammers1
Will the upgrades include some form of Rubbish disposal for customers to use ? Today the amount of rubbish between the platforms was absolutely disgraceful . It reminded me of when I visited some third world (ie very much poorer ) countires than ours a few years
ago !
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Will the upgrades include some form of Rubbish disposal for customers to use ? Today the amount of rubbish between the platforms was absolutely disgraceful . It reminded me of when I visited some third world (ie very much poorer ) countries than ours a few years
ago !
Crossover

Now that we are a high level of security awareness, unfortunately it's unlikely rubbish bins at City railway stations will return any time soon.

Mike.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The competition had taken place when Ted Ballieu was Premier
"mejhammers1"
To rephrase, ...
Thank heaven the absurd entries to the unlamented Mr Baillieu's design competition, subsequently inherited by the equally unlamented Mr Napthine, have all been thrown out.
  pvcommuter Station Master

Now that we are a high level of security awareness, unfortunately it's unlikely rubbish bins at City railway stations will return any time soon.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Yet Sydney high-patronage stations have gained rubbish bins relatively recently, and retain them to this day. Central and Wynyard included. There's bins at Sydney airport terminals (landside) as well. Go figure.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Let us hope they clean up the Milk Dock area.  Looking tired but could look nice if a little money was spent on a new roof and clean up. (including the asbestos)

Saw two workers testing cable in the area last week and looking at signals.

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