Departure of Garrett 6029 to Goulburn on 28th February:

 
  cliff3 Station Master

May I ask anyone know what time does Garrett 6029 depart Canberra Railway Museum for Goulburn on its way to Thirlmere on 28th February please? It would be much appreciated.

Regards,

Barry Cook.

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  M636C Minister for Railways

May I ask anyone know what time does Garrett 6029 depart Canberra Railway Museum for Goulburn on its way to Thirlmere on 28th February please? It would be much appreciated.

Regards,

Barry Cook.
cliff3
The only rumour I've heard is that it will run to Goulburn on Thursday 26 February, no times known.

It will leave Goulburn at 0755 on Saturday unless someone in Junee panics and holds it for the northbound Explorer, due 25 min later.

M636C
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
Nothing finalised yet. But I heard 27th feb.
In unrelated news 2170 scrap metal train ex cbr between 4 and 5:30am monday morning
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
DC6029 seems to be running with HL203 behind as we speak... passing Tarago towards Goulburn.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

DC6029 seems to be running with HL203 behind as we speak... passing Tarago towards Goulburn.
steven_h
As this run is not entering the Central Terminal there is no STN for it. I did not have time to search the ARTC site for their equivalent of an STN. Has anybody any idea when it will hit Picton?

Thanking all in advance

Rod
  burgo68 Beginner

ARTC Notice
Saturday 28th February
6029 departs Goulburn 7.55am and arrive Picton 10.20am
depart Picton 10.30am and arrive Thirlmere 11.00am
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

DC6029 seems to be running with HL203 behind as we speak... passing Tarago towards Goulburn.
steven_h
The locomotive is 6029, NOT DC6029!  The DC was to advise loco running staff (in the old days) that the loco is dual controlled ie it has controls to be able to run in either direction with the driver in the correct position. The ++ on each end next to the number denotes the loco has hearing tubes so the crew can hear detonators(railway track signals) because they were so far away from the front wheels.
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
Actually
it IS for railway loco numbers DC6029
the reason for this was that 6029 was already used for a Aurizon loco and therefore unavailable for use

And as the rules and procedures require the loco number to be on the front. DC6029 was chosen to use as it would not physically alter the train loco number as DC6029++ was written in the front in government  railway service.
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

Actually
it IS for railway loco numbers DC6029
the reason for this was that 6029 was already used for a Aurizon loco and therefore unavailable for use

And as the rules and procedures require the loco number to be on the front. DC6029 was chosen to use as it would not physically alter the train loco number as DC6029++ was written in the front in government  railway service.
Jajb94
ARTC TOC waiver may show this, but John Holland Locomotive and Rolling Stock data from their TOC manual shows 6029 only , and whose Rules and Procedures require this?
  ssaunders Train Controller

DC6029 is correct since it re-entered service and ARTC TOC Waivers reflect this in their subject lines.

Aurizon has a 6029.

ss
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

DC6029 is correct since it re-entered service and ARTC TOC Waivers reflect this in their subject lines.

Aurizon has a 6029.

ss
ssaunders
Agreed ,maybe for ARTC lines only at present , as a TOC waiver is not final documentation, only for a period whilst under trial. JHCRN  shows the Aurizon 6020 class as well as 6029, not DC6029 in their Locomotive and Rolling Stock data, which is up to date (amended January 2015) and is final, not a TOC Waiver. Still would like to see whose rules and procedures this is specified in.
The reasoning that it could cause confusion does not hold water, as STNs, TAAs or Country Train Notices all specify what type of train it is and Aurizon 6020 class would not normally appear on one of these as they operate on tabled freight services not on special services.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
DC6029 is not technically correct but DC6029 appears the next best thing given the chaotic loco and wagon classifications that have grown up since privatisation.
Certainly not worth a war over a scrap of paper. That 6029 is running is enough for me - call it a bloody aeroplane if that makes the bureaucrats happy.
  ssaunders Train Controller

Perhaps you don't understand the TOC Manual, it lists locomotives by type/class as a reference, it does not list every item on the network. Sure some are listed individually but that's more I would suggest because history of what was correct in 1969 is now forgotten.

If they were listing vehicles by actual number then we would see the 5th digit check number as well would we not?

A look at THNSW in the John Holland TOC Manaul doesn't even show the correct business name from the change 12 months ago so while a reference manual it isn't perfect.



ss
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

Perhaps you don't understand the TOC Manual, it lists locomotives by type/class as a reference, it does not list every item on the network. Sure some are listed individually but that's more I would suggest because history of what was correct in 1969 is now forgotten.

If they were listing vehicles by actual number then we would see the 5th digit check number as well would we not?

A look at THNSW in the John Holland TOC Manaul doesn't even show the correct business name from the change 12 months ago so while a reference manual it isn't perfect.



ss
ssaunders
1: I understand it perfectly, it does not list them as a reference, it lists them when they are authorised to run on each of the 3 networks.If they are not in the TOC Manual then the only way they can run is on a TOC Waiver. It also tells staff the operating restrictions on each vehicle eg whether they are block workers or speed restrictions, weight ,length etc.
2: Unfortunately they do list every item that can run on the network and it has nothing to do with history.
3: No. I would suggest a more thorough reading of this section. In most cases, it is only the classes that have large members of that class that do not list all numbers.
4: I can find Sydney Trains and NSW Trains locos and rolling stock under their owners names and yes it has to be totally correct.
(Section 10 Locomotive and Rolling Stock Data)
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The locomotive is 6029, NOT DC6029!  The DC was to advise loco running staff (in the old days) that the loco is dual controlled ie it has controls to be able to run in either direction with the driver in the correct position. The ++ on each end next to the number denotes the loco has hearing tubes so the crew can hear detonators(railway track signals) because they were so far away from the front wheels.
Throughwestmail

So there was no need to yell at me then. I was just forwarding on the data I had seen.
  ssaunders Train Controller

The locomotive is 6029, NOT DC6029!  The DC was to advise loco running staff (in the old days) that the loco is dual controlled ie it has controls to be able to run in either direction with the driver in the correct position. The ++ on each end next to the number denotes the loco has hearing tubes so the crew can hear detonators(railway track signals) because they were so far away from the front wheels.
Throughwestmail

So you would therefore know that the ++ now does not mean there are hearing tubes on the locomotive. Just like the single track tunnel myth, it passed that test as well.

Having seen the registration, I can confirm it is DC6029 due to Aurizon having 6029 already registered.

While your logic on it is reasonable, it is however wrong.

ss
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
I thought the ++ meant the cylinders had been bored out and weight re-distributed to give more tractive effort...

It will always be 6029 to me.
  MrNathan Chief Commissioner

Location: In and out.
Why not AD6029 like Mr Young intended???
  Gaz170 Junior Train Controller

Location: Gold Coast
Why not AD6029 like Mr Young intended???
MrNathan
Because that would require painting AD on the front of the loco near the number.  DC was chosen as it was already painted there (albeit for a different reason originally).  In the end, what does it matter, the thing is the Garrett is running.
  Spinner5711 Train Controller

The locomotive is 6029, NOT DC6029!  The DC was to advise loco running staff (in the old days) that the loco is dual controlled ie it has controls to be able to run in either direction with the driver in the correct position. The ++ on each end next to the number denotes the loco has hearing tubes so the crew can hear detonators(railway track signals) because they were so far away from the front wheels.
"Throughwestmail"
  Spinner5711 Train Controller

It seems my reply disappeared...


DC6029 is its running number to distinguish from another loco.  Rail against it all you want, in official documentation it will be referred thus.  In a similar vein, 4472 (60103) 'Flying Scotsman' is known on the UK national network as 98772.

The ++ has nothing to do with hearing aids at all.  It denote a heavy type Garratt with bored out cylinders.  The cylinder bores were increased from 19½ inches to 197/8 inches (an increase of 3/8 inch) and the adhesive weight (carried by the driving wheels) was increased from 128 tons to 144 tons (an increase of 16 tons), the extra weight coming off the bogies.  As a result of these modifications, a modified 60 Class loco's tractive effort increased from 59,650 lb to 63,007 lb. and its factor of adhesion (ratio of weight on driving wheels to tractive effort) changed from 4.81 to 5.11.  

The sound intensifiers were fitted due to union concerns about not hearing detonators over the mechanical noise of the locomotive.
  peterreynell Locomotive Fireman

It seems my reply disappeared...


DC6029 is its running number to distinguish from another loco.  Rail against it all you want, in official documentation it will be referred thus.  In a similar vein, 4472 (60103) 'Flying Scotsman' is known on the UK national network as 98772.

The ++ has nothing to do with hearing aids at all.  It denote a heavy type Garratt with bored out cylinders.  The cylinder bores were increased from 19½ inches to 197/8 inches (an increase of 3/8 inch) and the adhesive weight (carried by the driving wheels) was increased from 128 tons to 144 tons (an increase of 16 tons), the extra weight coming off the bogies.  As a result of these modifications, a modified 60 Class loco's tractive effort increased from 59,650 lb to 63,007 lb. and its factor of adhesion (ratio of weight on driving wheels to tractive effort) changed from 4.81 to 5.11.  

The sound intensifiers were fitted due to union concerns about not hearing detonators over the mechanical noise of the locomotive.
Spinner5711
Peter Garrett; a musician and former politician.
Nothing to do  with  a locomotive type designed  in 1907 of which 6029 is a later model example.
And in my recollection of the vernacular when the Sixty class was in service they were either that or simply "Garratts". or for the modified ones "heavy Garratts".

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