Opalcard Parking

 
  OpalMan Station Staff

Location: Buried in a stack of old Newspapers.
You guessed it. Large multi story car parks ain't going to be free for much longer. Swipe your opalcard to enter and exit the car park. Don't think it won't happen? Have you parked at a hospital in the last few years?
This is going to be a gold mine for the current NSW gov if re-elected.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Are you limiting opal card parking to NSW Government owned car parks?
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

OpalMan, link to the source please.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Don't think it won't happen? Have you parked at a hospital in the last few years?
OpalMan
lol . we have plastic for cars - credit card or etag .  AFIK you cannot find parking spot at a hospital. even if you wait for a spot.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I think it's a brilliant idea. If true.

I believe commuter parking should be free. For commuters. For other people looking for free parking, they should be charged to park in the commuter lots, because that parking is provided for train passengers! Why not tap your Opal to get in and tap to get out again - if you've paid to travel on public transport between entering and leaving the carpark, no charge. If you've parked there to (say) avoid paying for Westfield parking, then you should be charged for it.

Why should the NSW Government spend millions on building carparks for people who are not using the service?
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
I think it's a brilliant idea. If true.

I believe commuter parking should be free. For commuters. For other people looking for free parking, they should be charged to park in the commuter lots, because that parking is provided for train passengers! Why not tap your Opal to get in and tap to get out again - if you've paid to travel on public transport between entering and leaving the carpark, no charge. If you've parked there to (say) avoid paying for Westfield parking, then you should be charged for it.

Why should the NSW Government spend millions on building carparks for people who are not using the service?
Raichase
Hear, hear!

But I would argue that the parking should be subject to a nominal fee; a cost just slightly more than the feeder buses (where appropriate) to encourage use of the bus rather than the station carpark.

But fundamentally, the core sentiment is absolutely on point, Raichase — the commuter carparks are there for commuters, and on top of that they keep cars out of the City.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Hear, hear!

But I would argue that the parking should be subject to a nominal fee; a cost just slightly more than the feeder buses (where appropriate) to encourage use of the bus rather than the station carpark.

But fundamentally, the core sentiment is absolutely on point, Raichase — the commuter carparks are there for commuters, and on top of that they keep cars out of the City.
Watson374
Depends on the location, I suppose. Cost wouldn't be the only motivator to use the bus, I'd argue that it's convenience. If there's a decent level of service house-station and station-house when the commuter wants to travel, they'd likely make the switch. I typically drive to Wollstonecraft when heading into town on a weekend, because the buses to/from Chatswood are not convenient enough (often waiting up to 30 minutes for a bus, last bus at 9pm etc).
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller



Why should the NSW Government spend millions on building carparks for people who are not using the service?
Raichase

lol - we have a state government car park tax for most of Sydney. so people would leave there car at the station and use public transport into the city. free at one end cost if you drive.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Depends on the location, I suppose. Cost wouldn't be the only motivator to use the bus, I'd argue that it's convenience. If there's a decent level of service house-station and station-house when the commuter wants to travel, they'd likely make the switch. I typically drive to Wollstonecraft when heading into town on a weekend, because the buses to/from Chatswood are not convenient enough (often waiting up to 30 minutes for a bus, last bus at 9pm etc).
Raichase
Certainly each case will have to be looked at and subject to some sort of semi-standard solution; that's what the bureaucracy is supposed to do.
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
Regarding commuter car park fees, would this be uniform across Sydney trains and even NSW trains or just particular spots? There is a problem since paper tickets have not been eradicated just yet but maybe it could be an extra incentive for people to switch to opal? As for shoppers, customers pay for a ticket that has similar value to entering their local shopping complex car park, as earlier suggested by Raichase.

Would the feeder buses run 24/7 about every 10-15 minutes or have a more specific timetable? Keep in mind some people don't go directly home after getting off in PM peak, they might go out for dinner, head to the supermarket etc first. Excuse the switch in public transport mode for a minute, I also drive my car often to a major bus stop where my buses run more frequently on weekdays. If I left the car at home frequency is about 20-30 minutes where as if I drive up the road or to the next suburb buses run about every 10 minutes.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Like it or lump it, SOMEONE has to pay for the construction and maintenance of the car park so basically you can do it out of the States Coffers or a 'Pay as You Use'.
Being out of the Metro area, rarely traveling by Train and I wouldnt leave my car in one any way, I prefer to see it paid for by those who use it, the same as I do when we go to a parking controlled shopping centre or a major hospital today.
Try parking at a Medical Specialists or commercial area and see what 'Free' parking there is there, very little so the Railways arent alone asking for payments to park a vehicle.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
Regarding commuter car park fees, would this be uniform across Sydney trains and even NSW trains or just particular spots? There is a problem since paper tickets have not been eradicated just yet but maybe it could be an extra incentive for people to switch to opal? As for shoppers, customers pay for a ticket that has similar value to entering their local shopping complex car park, as earlier suggested by Raichase.

Would the feeder buses run 24/7 about every 10-15 minutes or have a more specific timetable? Keep in mind some people don't go directly home after getting off in PM peak, they might go out for dinner, head to the supermarket etc first. Excuse the switch in public transport mode for a minute, I also drive my car often to a major bus stop where my buses run more frequently on weekdays. If I left the car at home frequency is about 20-30 minutes where as if I drive up the road or to the next suburb buses run about every 10 minutes.
bowralcommuter
The OP has provided no reports, no press releases, no links, no additional information or no further comment to provide any details of what's being considered, or even basic evidence that any consideration is actually going on (I certainly hope, and I suspect that this is the case, some consideration will be given to it, but I've never seen any formal announcements).

Some might view the OP's actions as scaremongering or trolling.

Given the tone and content of all their previous posts made in the time that they have been active on this forum, I suspect the OP is a little disappointed that, in the main, the response to their post has been "Charging for parking?  That's a good idea!".  A media strategy based on spreading F.U.D. actually requires people to "fear" the thing being proposed.
  OpalMan Station Staff

Location: Buried in a stack of old Newspapers.
I'm not at liberty to reveal my source as yet. But I can assure you the stakeholders are already in negotiations. So how will it work?
Enter a multi story carpark and tag in and out at a boom gate.
As for street parking, simply tag on and off at poles located every few metres.
Failure to tag on or off results in a fine. As it stands it will currently only be implemented for registered Opal users that have listed vehicle registration plates.
How will it be policed? A ranger or operator drives around with multiple cameras mounted on the vehicle reading number plates. This information is then fed into a live database to detect not payers.
Don't think this post or thread is real?
Come back in 18 months and revisit this thread.
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner
  OpalMan Station Staff

Location: Buried in a stack of old Newspapers.
Now accepting kudos. Remember you read it here first on RP. But "dontellmywife" Shocked
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Now accepting kudos.
OpalMan
pass - too much big brother.  linking your car rego to your opal card. may as well change your drivers lic to a RF id card linked to you bank account and skip the opal card.


edit - NSW Lib Gov can go the next step and drop the opal card for the smart phone option and charge what they like for transport options.

http://www.cnet.com/au/news/nsw-government-proposes-digital-drivers-licenses-for-smartphones/
  OpalMan Station Staff

Location: Buried in a stack of old Newspapers.
Card anything is history before it has been rolled out. Think about your pets and microchips.


Linky
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Card anything is history before it has been rolled out.
OpalMan
no - remove/change the card and charge like hell is the current topic.  expanding the opal card to commuter car parks only benefits the card/machine maker. and the fines will only cover the costs of enforcing the policy.
  ssaunders Train Controller

I think it's a brilliant idea. If true.

I believe commuter parking should be free. For commuters. For other people looking for free parking, they should be charged to park in the commuter lots, because that parking is provided for train passengers! Why not tap your Opal to get in and tap to get out again - if you've paid to travel on public transport between entering and leaving the carpark, no charge. If you've parked there to (say) avoid paying for Westfield parking, then you should be charged for it.

Why should the NSW Government spend millions on building carparks for people who are not using the service?
Raichase

Poor idea, the NSW Govt spent NSW tax payer money for car parks for the NSW taxpayers, it should not matter which tax payer parks there as they all paid for it including tax payers with out cars.

Police state.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
The only reason I would question this idea is the proposal makes sense and its feasible, two things the Railway and any Government are rarely able to be accused of.
Although I havent seen this in use, I am told a major shopping Mall in the Penrith area uses the number plate recognition system to calculate your parking fees by scanning you driving in and out so if this was used at a Railway Parking area, there would be no need to patrol the parking area at all.
The Railway might be able to link their system to the State Debt recovery or the Police if either you try to evade paying the fee or the plates come up as lost, stolen or cancelled, locking you into the parking area.
Could you imagine the furore at evening peak if a car was blocked from leaving and holding everyone else back until it was removed because who ever was driving it would be long long gone.
  torrens5022 Junior Train Controller

Well Adelaide already uses the metrocard for car parking in certain locations, http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements/News/Tea-Tree-Plaza-Interchange-Park-n-Ride - So Sydney should be able to do similar
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

So Sydney should be able to do similar
torrens5022
no chance - we only have a few multi level parking stations that can be converted to pay parking. the rest are standard open space / street parking type options.

a bit of a hit or miss as most stations have a few parking locations for the single station. ie Penrith, Blacktown, Seven hills
  topher1976 Train Controller

Location: Mill Park, Vic
I'm not at liberty to reveal my source as yet. But I can assure you the stakeholders are already in negotiations. So how will it work?
Enter a multi story carpark and tag in and out at a boom gate.
As for street parking, simply tag on and off at poles located every few metres.
Failure to tag on or off results in a fine. As it stands it will currently only be implemented for registered Opal users that have listed vehicle registration plates.
How will it be policed? A ranger or operator drives around with multiple cameras mounted on the vehicle reading number plates. This information is then fed into a live database to detect not payers.
Don't think this post or thread is real?
Come back in 18 months and revisit this thread.
OpalMan
That sounds exactly the same as what they are doing in Perth now.

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