CFCLA locomotives up for sale

 
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Maybe we should keep an eye out for a pair of VL's repainted with "Jim's Transport" logos!
Or dare I say it, "Railpage Australia & New Zealand" logos... Smile
Graham4405
Might do a photo shop of it!

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  Gaz170 Junior Train Controller

Location: Gold Coast
Would any have a serious idea of what these locos would likely sell for, not that I'm in a position to buy any, just curious.
  drG535 SCT Beginner

Would any have a serious idea of what these locos would likely sell for, not that I'm in a position to buy any, just curious.
Gaz170
Oh who knows i recon a VL would sell for about 2.5M probably more. Going off what QUBE LOGISTICS payed for G532 and G521 which was 1.5M it is hard to tell.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Oh who knows i recon a VL would sell for about 2.5M probably more. Going off what QUBE LOGISTICS payed for G532 and G521 which was 1.5M it is hard to tell.
drG535 SCT
Take a rapid reality check, Withdrawn goer SD40-2 auctioned in the States are fetching around US$65k, this is the benchmark (wholesale) for international pricing. Ignore the prices quoted on dealer web pages, these are ambient, the price that the dealer wants to commence haggling at. Realise that dealers who stock used locos like NRE, operate off a financiers floor plan, they need large margins to cover the interest paid on their stock (no different to second hand car yards). NG units will fetch higher prices at the moment due to shortages. It was publically disclosed at a press conference in South Africa last October (by a manager from Transnet Engineering), that Aurizon received A$180k per 2170 Class, and A$220k per 2250 Class (the tranche 3 locos shipped to South Africa). I understand that this pricing is inline with what Tasrail paid for their four 2150 around 2011. Used loco pricing is not static, it raises and falls with demand and the state of the economy
  Gaz170 Junior Train Controller

Location: Gold Coast
So I could afford to buy one, not that I have any use for it, or anywhere to put it come to that.

Interesting front yard ornament?
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Within 3 years the price for NG second hand stock will probably have collapsed

Transnet in South Africa have placed orders for the delivery of just over 1460 new NG locomotives in the period 2012-2019. Finance for the last tranche of 1064 units (for delivery 2015-2019) is now 93% in place. All of these locos have been purchased with borrowings made on the international market, some via government guaranteed bonds. PRASA (Passenger Rail Authority) has 65 locos on order, plus around 600 EMU from Alstom

Transnet have already publically stated that the EMD 34/37 (GT26C) 35 (GT18C) and 36 (SW1002) Classes will be the first types to be withdrawn, so that is probably over 450 units (after allowing for disposals/write-offs) that will be sold outside of SA (Transnet is paranoid re local private operators), in the period 2017-19. Further disposals of probably 300+ GE diesels will follow

Transnet paranoia has led the SA Government into banning the further importation of second hand locos. The last tranche from WA  (except for the 6 for Rovos Rail which had an import permit) were admitted into the country under license for repair/rebuild, these locos will have to be exported (2 already on the way to the Congo). Rovos's import permit had a caveat that the locos cannot be used for hire in SA. Rovos's intention is to use the 5 GL26C-2 north of the border, and their G26C for moving their coaches around Pretoria for collection by Transnet hook and pull. Transnet/PRASA have an absolute monopoly over the movement of freight and passenger. The private operators work north of the border, and on mining leases. Rovos run a chartered luxury hotel-on-wheels operation, mainly Cape Town to Dar-es-Salaam in Tanzania, brings in tourist dollars, so is allowed some latitude  

The SA bans on the importation of second hand locos are more of an inconvenience. The 3 main private operators Grindrod Rail, Sheltam, and AR&TS are now offshore corporations, having moved their residency to tax havens, friendly to free enterprise. If these operators require additional used locos they will bypass SA and bring them in through ports in countries to the north, then shuttle them around the continent using loopholes in the Southern Africa free trade agreement. Grindrod is a similar sized corporation to Asciano, with a similar turnover
  drG535 SCT Beginner

Take a rapid reality check, Withdrawn goer SD40-2 auctioned in the States are fetching around US$65k, this is the benchmark (wholesale) for international pricing. Ignore the prices quoted on dealer web pages, these are ambient, the price that the dealer wants to commence haggling at. Realise that dealers who stock used locos like NRE, operate off a financiers floor plan, they need large margins to cover the interest paid on their stock (no different to second hand car yards). NG units will fetch higher prices at the moment due to shortages. It was publically disclosed at a press conference in South Africa last October (by a manager from Transnet Engineering), that Aurizon received A$180k per 2170 Class, and A$220k per 2250 Class (the tranche 3 locos shipped to South Africa). I understand that this pricing is inline with what Tasrail paid for their four 2150 around 2011. Used loco pricing is not static, it raises and falls with demand and the state of the economy
jmt
None of the locos for sale are able to be put on Narrow Gauge. Only 3 classes of the CFCLA locos for sale can go on Broad Gauge. The T classes for sale are all on BG they will be cheap the rest are on SG. Standard Gauge locos are wanted more and will go for over 1.5M.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

And how much did Apex Industrial get for 42304 and 42305, currently sitting in Port Pirie yard waiting for a vessel bound for Saudi Arabia?
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
None of the locos for sale are able to be put on Narrow Gauge. Only 3 classes of the CFCLA locos for sale can go on Broad Gauge. The T classes for sale are all on BG they will be cheap the rest are on SG. Standard Gauge locos are wanted more and will go for over 1.5M.
drG535 SCT
The T's can be modified to run on NG if required. GWA has run at least 3 of the 5 CK's (originally T's) on NG at Whyalla. 5 low nosed T's were sold to AN in the 90's which passed onto GWA with the sale of AN. The CK's are currently used at Whyalla on both SG and NG with locos occasionally switching between gauges for operational reasons.

Even taking this into account I agree that the T's will probably sell for the lowest price as they are the lowest HP locos up for sale.

Matt
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
So I could afford to buy one, not that I have any use for it, or anywhere to put it come to that.

Interesting front yard ornament?
Gaz170
Well yes, I guess you could pop a loco into your front yard.... Perhaps ask council first!

Jeremy Clarkson (Top Gear) bought an English Electric Lightning, a 1960's RAF fighter jet and placed that in his front yard, until the local council said no.... Smile
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Well yes, I guess you could pop a loco into your front yard.... Perhaps ask council first!

Jeremy Clarkson (Top Gear) bought an English Electric Lightning, a 1960's RAF fighter jet and placed that in his front yard, until the local council said no.... Smile
SA_trains
A local resident had a 1800 class railmotor in their yard until Council had it removed as an "illegal structure". It sat in the Council depot yard for many years until it was sold at auction for the princely sum of $11. It is still sitting in the yard of the scrap merchant that purchased it.

If anyone is interested there is a photo of RM1804 here with a Railpage moderator sitting in the driver's seat. Smile
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
But the bigger then life size 'David' is allowed in the frount yard Shocked
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
A local resident had a 1800 class railmotor in their yard until Council had it removed as an "illegal structure". It sat in the Council depot yard for many years until it was sold at auction for the princely sum of $11. It is still sitting in the yard of the scrap merchant that purchased it.

If anyone is interested there is a photo of RM1804 here with a Railpage moderator sitting in the driver's seat. Smile
Graham4405

Interesting. I didn't realise RM1804 still existed. Which raises the question, why didn't Downs Steam go after this instead of the costly acquisition of the burnt out shell of DP13 (which has absolutely no connection with Qld.) from Tasmania? Or simply strip DP13 for parts to rebuild this?
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Interesting. I didn't realise RM1804 still existed. Which raises the question, why didn't Downs Steam go after this instead of the costly acquisition of the burnt out shell of DP13 (which has absolutely no connection with Qld.) from Tasmania? Or simply strip DP13 for parts to rebuild this?
12CSVT
Hi Steve,

I don't know the answer to your question, you would probably need to ask someone at DownsSteam. Possibly DownsSteam don't know that RM1804 still exists, it's not easily seen where it sits now, nor was it when it was at the Council Depot some years back. There is not really much left of RM1804. No bogies, extensive front end damage (as seen in the photo). Most of one side has been cut away. Might not really be a good restoration project. There are a few other 1800 class around the place that might have been better prospects though!
  Beta4Me Locomotive Driver

Is anyone else curious why it said 6 x T class locomotives? I thought they only had 4 T classes (plus TL153).
  Ruddy_334 Beginner

How old do you have to be to purchase a locomotive.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
How old do you have to be to purchase a locomotive.
Ruddy_334
Why not contact CFCLA and enquire? Smile If the only thing holding you back is your age, you're dong well (hint: it's expensive).
  Beta4Me Locomotive Driver

I understand that CFCLA has engaged Romic to manage the sale of the locomotives and wagons it is disposing of with instructions that the equipment may only be sold for export.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I understand that CFCLA has engaged Rominic to manage the sale of the locomotives and wagons it is disposing of with instructions that the equipment may only be sold for export.
Beta4Me
Well given that the company name is Romic (and if you followed the link in the very first post you would have known that) I think we can also assume there is a good chance your claim re overseas disposal is also likely to be incorrect Razz
  Beta4Me Locomotive Driver

I understand that CFCLA has engaged Rominic to manage the sale of the locomotives and wagons it is disposing of with instructions that the equipment may only be sold for export.
Well given that the company name is Romic (and if you followed the link in the very first post you would have known that) I think we can also assume there is a good chance your claim re overseas disposal is also likely to be incorrect Razz
bingley hall
Apologies for the typo. That's what you get for banging a message out on mobile Embarassed

Maybe I'm missing something, but if you follow "the link in the very first post" you would see that Romic's contact details reflect it being UK-based. I'm unsure how that invalidates my 'claim' (which, may I add, has been verified by Romic). Am I missing something?
  Draffa Chief Commissioner

Interesting front yard ornament?
Gaz170
Would be nice to have when the neighbours sit in their carports on a Sunday morning, revving the guts out of their cars. Smile
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why would they restrict sales to export purchasers only?  Cuts out a fair market for the fleet no?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Why would they restrict sales to export purchasers only?  Cuts out a fair market for the fleet no?
jamesbushell.au
If CFCLA sold their old clunkers locally, the locos would probably end up with owners who otherwise would have leased locos - ruining the lease market and CFCLA's primary income.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Oh, my mistake, I did not appreciate that it wasn't the whole fleet up for sale....

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