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      jmt Deputy Commissioner

    Vessel ICS Silver Lining currently heading into Port Pirie, from Whyalla anchorage

    http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:365211/mmsi:305593000/imo:9314351/vessel:ICS_SILVER_LINING

    Due to load 42304, 42305, a Plasser track machine with 15 x CHOY ballast hoppers, and 15 x CQAX 85ft flats

    Reputedly for Saudi Arabia, but the destination port will be listed on above site, once the vessel has sailed
    Posted: 15 Jul 2015 17:24

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      NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

    Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
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    Posted: 15 Jul 2015 17:49
      djukinX1016 Deputy Commissioner

    I wonder if the CHOY's were the ones recently transferred from W.A.?

    If so they have got around, being worked on ballast trains on the standard gauge in Perth, in the Pilbara on FMG and then fitted with NG bogies for the Midwest Rail project in the Geraldton area.
    Regards
    Phil
    Posted: 15 Jul 2015 20:56
      M636C Minister for Railways

    I wonder if the CHOY's were the ones recently transferred from W.A.?

    If so they have got around, being worked on ballast trains on the standard gauge in Perth, in the Pilbara on FMG and then fitted with NG bogies for the Midwest Rail project in the Geraldton area.
    Regards
    Phil
    djukinX1016
    I photographed four of the CHOYs in Goulburn North Yard on 5 July.

    These had been repainted yellow with CFCLA logos removed.

    The ones I shot were 6035, 6038, 6040 and 6041.

    Don't forget that they were built and used by VR as ballast wagons before being rebuilt by GEMCO in Forrestfield...

    42305 was stored in the south yard with the logos removed.

    M636C
    Posted: 15 Jul 2015 21:36
      JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

    Location: Banned
    I photographed four of the CHOYs in Goulburn North Yard on 5 July.

    These had been repainted yellow with CFCLA logos removed.

    The ones I shot were 6035, 6038, 6040 and 6041.

    M636C

    Are you able to post a few pics here so we can get an idea please?
    Posted: 15 Jul 2015 21:48
      djukinX1016 Deputy Commissioner

    Thanks for the CHOY numbers, they are different to the W.A. set of CHOY's that headed east.
    Regards
    Phil
    Posted: 15 Jul 2015 23:29
      alfclp Train Controller

    The ship to be used is NOT the ICS Silver Lining
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 00:13
      jmt Deputy Commissioner

    The ship to be used is NOT the ICS Silver Lining
    alfclp
    Sorry, can only track vessels if they have their GPS transponders turned on

    The BBC Steinwall arrived in Port Pirie overnight, must have turned on transponder when it arrived in port, no indication yesterday that it was in the Gulf

    Scuttlebutt in Pirie last Friday was loading mid week, at the time I posted yesterday the ICS Silver Lining only ship in port (plus has 2 x 80 tonne cranes) so also a heavy lift. Live map indicates BBC Steinwall berthed at wharf with track access
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 10:11
      ssaunders Train Controller

    Sorry, can only track vessels if they have their GPS transponders turned on

    The BBC Steinwall arrived in Port Pirie overnight, must have turned on transponder when it arrived in port, no indication yesterday that it was in the Gulf

    Scuttlebutt in Pirie last Friday was loading mid week, at the time I posted yesterday the ICS Silver Lining only ship in port (plus has 2 x 80 tonne cranes) so also a heavy lift. Live map indicates BBC Steinwall berthed at wharf with track access
    jmt

    The Steinwall is correct, loading to commence ASAP and will head direct to Saudi. The track on the dock is booked out of service, everything will be road hauled to the ship and ship cranes will load.

    ss
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 10:14
      x31 Chief Commissioner

    Location: gallifrey
    Sorry, can only track vessels if they have their GPS transponders turned on

    The BBC Steinwall arrived in Port Pirie overnight, must have turned on transponder when it arrived in port, no indication yesterday that it was in the Gulf

    Scuttlebutt in Pirie last Friday was loading mid week, at the time I posted yesterday the ICS Silver Lining only ship in port (plus has 2 x 80 tonne cranes) so also a heavy lift. Live map indicates BBC Steinwall berthed at wharf with track access

    The Steinwall is correct, loading to commence ASAP and will head direct to Saudi. The track on the dock is booked out of service, everything will be road hauled to the ship and ship cranes will load.

    ss
    ssaunders

    Which dock?  Can you provide a google map reference please?
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 10:59
      jmt Deputy Commissioner

    better to use this site http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:30/centery:25/zoom:2

    Zoom in on Port Pirie

    Vessel position is plotted using GPS transponder data
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 11:19
      x31 Chief Commissioner

    Location: gallifrey
    Cheers for the link. Why would the line be booked out has traffic to that dock ceased?
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 11:27
      ssaunders Train Controller

    Cheers for the link. Why would the line be booked out has traffic to that dock ceased?
    x31

    Don't know reasons. The new loco/wagon owners did offer to repair as a more cost effective option as the ship has it's own lift capability, but rejected by SA Ports.

    Would mean South Australia probably not high on the list for any further exports.

    ss
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 11:40

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      x31 Chief Commissioner

    Location: gallifrey
    Don't know reasons. The new loco/wagon owners did offer to repair as a more cost effective option as the ship has it's own lift capability, but rejected by SA Ports.

    Would mean South Australia probably not high on the list for any further exports.

    ss
    ssaunders

    Must look terrible to businesses from overseas wanting to do business in SA.
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 11:48
      ssaunders Train Controller

    Must look terrible to businesses from overseas wanting to do business in SA.
    x31

    The Aust shipping agent for this based in Qld has said the east coast is much easier for the export business. So there is your answer of sorts.

    ss
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 11:56
      M636C Minister for Railways

    Are you able to post a few pics here so we can get an idea please?
    "JoppaJunction"


    This is the official plan and photo...

    http://www.cfcla.com.au/datasheet/CHOY_Wagon_Data_Sheet.pdf

    They looked just like that with the CF logo painted over in yellow..

    M636C
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 12:49
      jmt Deputy Commissioner

    Yards/lines at Port Pirie are owned by GWA, line within the wharf area probably Flinders Ports (or may even be the Smelters). Hard to ascertain who owns what, as the smelter is built on the waterfront. The whole area is behind razor wire
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 13:58
      x31 Chief Commissioner

    Location: gallifrey
    The Aust shipping agent for this based in Qld has said the east coast is much easier for the export business. So there is your answer of sorts.

    ss
    ssaunders

    I don't dispute that with key track to the port out of action.
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 14:22
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    Cheers for the link. Why would the line be booked out has traffic to that dock ceased?
    x31
    The tracks on the dockside at Port Pirie probably haven't seen any traffic in 20 plus years.
    I would doubt if they have had any maintenance in that time and quite possibly are "cut off" from the line to the Smelter works.
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 14:55
      Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: Dalby Qld
    I'm intrigued by the use of "42300" in the thread title as this is neither the number of a locomotive nor the class designation. The locomotives mentioned in the opening post are 423 Class locomotives.

    Are the rest of the 423 Class still in service?
    Posted: 16 Jul 2015 16:56
      Alco_Haulic Chief Commissioner

    Location: Eating out...
    According to Flinders Ports, http://portmis.flindersports.com.au/# the BBCSteinwall is in Port Pirie berth 5. Using Google Earth, and street view, it would appear that the track is still connected to the network, however the track inset in the wharf may be seriously deteriorated.

    It is currently listed as departing on the 19-7-2015 at 07:00 - Destination is listed as Durban.
    Posted: 17 Jul 2015 20:11
      jmt Deputy Commissioner

    Would mean South Australia probably not high on the list for any further exports.

    ss

    The Aust shipping agent for this based in Qld has said the east coast is much easier for the export business. So there is your answer of sorts.

    ssssaunders
    ssaunders
    A very strange comment considering that the BBC Steinwall is currently berthed at Fisherman Islands

    There must have been a cost advantage to drag the units to Port Pirie?

    Does anyone know if she is loading additional rolling stock in Brisbane?
    Posted: 27 Jul 2015 12:37

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      ssaunders Train Controller

    Other customers.
    ss
    Posted: 28 Jul 2015 10:57
      bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: Last train to Skaville
    Must look terrible to businesses from overseas wanting to do business in SA.
    x31
    If its so terrible, why did they drag them all the way from Goulburn to Pirie instead of taking them to Newcastle. What does that say about the ports in NSW (for the pedants the real answer is 'nothing')

    God you talk some bollocks.
    Posted: 01 Aug 2015 04:51
      Alco_Haulic Chief Commissioner

    Location: Eating out...
    If its so terrible, why did they drag them all the way from Goulburn to Pirie instead of taking them to Newcastle. What does that say about the ports in NSW (for the pedants the real answer is 'nothing')

    God you talk some bollocks.
    bingley hall
    Given they were loaded at a site that is amazingly under-utilised, I'd say they did it because it was cheap. I've heard that as being one of the factors behind containers being exported through Outer Harbour instead of railing to Melbourne from Mildura.
    Posted: 01 Aug 2015 18:14

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