Adam Goodes should hang his head in shame

 
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
What I dislike most about the stuff spoken about or written by the pro-Goodes moral high ground do-gooders is that by inference, if you are not pro-Goodes, then you must be a racist. That is grossly unfair.

Imagine a situation in the not-too-distant future when we have female field umpires officiating in AFL matches. And I have no problem with that, they are already officiating at lower levels of the game. Now, when that umpire makes a poor decision and gets booed for it, imagine the amount of spleen-venting and venom-spitting that will come from feminists hijacking the situation and labelling the boo-ers as misogynists and sexists!

Same same.

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  Hendo Deputy Commissioner


...... The AFL has become so sadly run it feels the need to come out and support a man who humiliated a 13 year old girl with a disabled mother. Disgraceful.

Do remember the girl had called him an ape, for an indigenous person that is suggesting they are a lower life form than human's (ie: white people). I also understand that Goodes and the girl subsequently met and discussed what happened and what her comment had meant to Goodes.

....... Cyril Rioli (admittedly originally from the Torres Strait) ...... The Rioli family, including Cyril, are Tiwi Islanders.



Hendo
x31
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Hopefully not MOST Australians. If so the minority of us disagree with them and more of us every day!
Essentially your 'majority' reflects the same mentality of a mob whether they're chanting at an ISIS rally, cheering on a KKK procession in the 60’s or throwing flowers at those expounding the threat from sub-human races in the 1930’s. Mad
Groundrelay
What I object to is being told by the AFL, the Victorian Premier etc that just because I don't agree with Goodes I am racist.   I am not - I just disagree with someone.   That is not the definition of racism, or never used to be until the PC brigade proceeded to tell us how to think.  

I disagree with what you say, but because I have no idea of the colour of your skin or racial background, I now don't know if I'm being racist!

Goodes is over 50% white fella.   My question to him is why does he choose one part of his heritage and ignore (or hate) the other?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
People put footy stars on some kind of pedestal like they're gods but they're just young lads straight out of school and usually not very worldly or educated.

They kick footy for a living - they don't do brain surgery, they aren't discovering cures for cancer. People act surprised when they do things like smoke drugs or get drunk and smash up hotel rooms - they're just doing what most other lads of the same age would be doing. Instead we turned them into 'role models' instead and are expected to be perfect humans who never make mistakes - 'uber-mensch'.

Goodes turned into some kind of super-celebrity footy player because of his Aboriginal heritage and he decided to add to his fame by doing some kind of mini-hakka every time he got a goal... and the crowd doesn't like show-boaters. It appears his fame went to his head a little bit.

Just because he gets boo-ed doesn't mean they're racist. Maybe they just don't like his style?
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
snip
Goodes is over 50% white fella.   My question to him is why does he choose one part of his heritage and ignore (or hate) the other?
Donald
A question I've mentally asked of many... My Koori sister-in-law is into family history and is as keen about her Irish heritage as her Indigenous heritage.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The mental debility of the media, the AFL and the politicians suggests that it is no better than a heap of our footballers whose shoe size is greater than their IQ.
To me anyone who does not love Goodes and his antics is not necessarily a racist but it's almost as if the media/politicians/AFL are trying to talk up a crowd tragedy when Goodes next plays.

Love him, hate him or don't care the matter should end NOW.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Goodes is over 50% white fella.   My question to him is why does he choose one part of his heritage and ignore (or hate) the other?
Donald
This is an interesting phenomenon. Going back say 40, 50 years many part aboriginal people hid or denied that fact as being aboriginal was unpopular. Then there was a cultural movement started, mostly among people who would have been less than half aboriginal to teach them all aboriginal culture. It became popular to be aboriginal, so many people suddenly became aboriginal! These days you only need to have a poofteenth of aboriginal blood to be considered aboriginal, or so it seeems. To be accepted as aboriginal by aboriginal organisations you only need someone to sign a declaration to the effect that you are accepted as such in the community.
  Michelle12 Moderator Photo Overlord

Location: Melbourne
Adam Goodes should hang up his boots.
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

And this will be our legacy...

"Racism, bigotry and oppression in all it’s forms, lies just beneath the surface amongst many, within our great land. It is our great challenge. What makes it particularly so, is that the worst offenders, do not even realize their inherent racism. It is a cancer within our culture. Anyone who believes that the constant booing aimed at you, is not, for the most part, racially based, is part of the problem. Makes me angry and emotional. It’s holding us back as a people. We could be so much better.

The world is watching, and it’s apparent to all, that the ugly Australian is alive and well, and making his dull voice heard. He and his mates, in relative anonymity of course, living their fearful, unconscious, grey little lives, are baying from the stands, in collective mediocrity."

http://www.noise11.com/news/colin-hay-pens-heartfelt-open-letter-to-adam-goodes-20150801
Groundrelay
Please consult post by Aaron at 2001 hrs on the 2nd of August.

Craig W
  Michelle12 Moderator Photo Overlord

Location: Melbourne
Ground Relay, if the booing is racially motived, then why aren't other current indigenous players like Cyril Rioli being booed?
I'm sorry, but Adam Goodes has made a rod for his own back with his antagonistic comments(referring to white Australians as born racists who need to be educated) and inciteful behaviour toward football fans along with the way he called out a defenceless young teenage girl in front of many thousands of football fans at the ground as well as a huge TV audience. How must that girl be feeling?
There might be a small minority who may sling racial comments his way, but most boo because they don't like Adam Goodes(the person) and feel his is disrespectful to others as explained above.
Adam Goodes has got himself in deep and is pulling out the 'reverse racism card' as a cop out.
Maybe, Adam Goodes is the one that needs to be educated.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Adam Goodes should hang up his boots.
Michelle12

His boots should be hung up and then taken to with a blow torch!
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
His boots should be hung up and then taken to with a blow torch!
x31
Spoken buy someone who can't even get the basic facts right.

It seems that at least three of our resident experts in true members of the commissariat fashion have omitted any mention of the rest of the story regarding the incident with the 13 year old and the subsequent dialogue between Goodes, the girl and her family.

But then where would a Bolt style hate filled rant be if you focussed on the facts.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Some of the haters certainly do hate him just because he's a successful Aboriginal man with an opinion - and many white Aussies don't want to hear what he has to say because it's not flattering and to a large extent truthful. But then again prior to this latest incident he did appear to relish the attention that he was getting and appeared to be carefully cultivating his public image, probably preparing for life after footy...  and you've got to take the haters with the adulation when you're a B-list celebrity after all. In my opinion he got a taste of the dark side of his new-found celebrity and he just didn't like it, not one bit.

But is it racism? Maybe not.

In my mind, exactly the same as other celebrities that try and cultivate notoriety by posting outrageous stuff on Twitter and then aren't psychologically prepared for the army of trolls that await them. If you aren't prepared for the haters then don't try and become a celebrity... full-stop.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

There are plenty of double standards around. If you call someone with aboriginal blood names you are racist, but if you call someone without aboriginal blood names that's apparently OK. Realistically we should treat all people on their merits.

Please note: I have nothing whatever against aboriginal people, some of my best friends are of aboriginal descent, including my wife, children and grandchildren...
Graham4405
Yeah but that's just it. It is not just names it is at times bordering outright abuse. It is their country and all Adam Goodes is arguing for is that they are truly recognised as the first people of Australia, and to be respected. Indigenous people do not have to justify their existance, the trouble is some, of whom may never Interact with Indginous people think they should.

If Our Indigenous People were treated in the same way as Maori in NZ , then Adam Goodes may well be out of order, but they are not.

Michael Josiah
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

His boots should be hung up and then taken to with a blow torch!
x31
Why?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Ground Relay, if the booing is racially motived, then why aren't other current indigenous players like Cyril Rioli being booed?
I'm sorry, but Adam Goodes has made a rod for his own back with his antagonistic comments(referring to white Australians as born racists who need to be educated) and inciteful behaviour toward football fans along with the way he called out a defenceless young teenage girl in front of many thousands of football fans at the ground as well as a huge TV audience. How must that girl be feeling?
There might be a small minority who may sling racial comments his way, but most boo because they don't like Adam Goodes(the person) and feel his is disrespectful to others as explained above.
Adam Goodes has got himself in deep and is pulling out the 'reverse racism card' as a cop out.
Maybe, Adam Goodes is the one that needs to be educated.
Michelle12
Yes maybe he overreacted with the 13 Year Old girl, and some of his language has been strong, but again to ignore the subsequent dialog he had with the girl and her family is just looking at it from one side. Again he did not refer to all White Aussies as racist. I suggest to you listen to his press conference. He said racism has a face and it was a thirten year old girl, but its not her fault, she is 13 and still so innocent, I put no blame on her, unfortunately its what she hears, the environment that she has grown up in. He went on to say that she would have no idea of what effect it would have.

The trouble is a lot of people refuse to acknowledge that he and other Indigenous people have been racially abused and discriminated against. He would have copped absolute crap in what is his country lets not forget that. That would have probably broken the straws back

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

What I dislike most about the stuff spoken about or written by the pro-Goodes moral high ground do-gooders is that by inference, if you are not pro-Goodes, then you must be a racist. That is grossly unfair.

Imagine a situation in the not-too-distant future when we have female field umpires officiating in AFL matches. And I have no problem with that, they are already officiating at lower levels of the game. Now, when that umpire makes a poor decision and gets booed for it, imagine the amount of spleen-venting and venom-spitting that will come from feminists hijacking the situation and labelling the boo-ers as misogynists and sexists!

Same same.
DirtyBallast
I am supportive of Adam Goodes and do not think that people who oppose him are necessary racist. However I do query as to why a guy who is standing against racism of being racially abused in his country is so terrible.

He would have experienced terrible abuse in his younger days, the trouble is that a lot of people think that he should still put up with that crap in 2015. In the meanwhile, if you dare suggest that some people maybe racist by venting that crap, you just get abused called a lefty and a PC loony.


Michael
  Michelle12 Moderator Photo Overlord

Location: Melbourne
Adam Goodes should have stuck to what he knew best and that is 'knuckle down and play good football'.
Goodes likes to dish it out but cannot take it and ducks for cover by using reverse racism as I stated earlier.
And to think that he wants to embark on a political career? Who the hell is he kidding?
Did Adam Goodes open his mouth in defence of Stephen Milne(St Kilda) who copped no end of abuse over rape allegations that have since been cleared? How do you think Milne and his family/friends coped with that?
Where was Goodsey to make a stand against that kind of bullying?
Last weekend there was booing at AFL football games, yet no one is allowed to boo delicate Goodsey.
If that's not double standards, I don't know what is.
I suggest that Geelong(who Sydney play this coming weekend) supporters take plenty of cotton wool with them rather than boo Goodsey just to show they care!
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
I am supportive of Adam Goodes and do not think that people who oppose him are necessary racist. However I do query as to why a guy who is standing against racism of being racially abused in his country is so terrible.

He would have experienced terrible abuse in his younger days, the trouble is that a lot of people think that he should still put up with that crap in 2015. In the meanwhile, if you dare suggest that some people maybe racist by venting that crap, you just get abused called a lefty and a PC loony.


Michael
mejhammers1
If I was to call all aboriginals drunks and layabouts I would rightly be called racist.   But during his AoTY acceptance speech, Goodes called the British 'invaders' rapists and murderers.   Now that is racist and yet you say he is standing against racism.   Why wasn't he called out on that?  
He is a bully and now being called out on it (booed) does what all bullies do when caught - sook.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
The invasion thing is interesting, how many nations of the world have not been invaded at some time or other? When you look at it, the British invaded Australia and subjugated the existing people, but it has happened throughout history time and time again, not the least to the British. Who would you call the 'traditional owners' of the British isles? You don't hear the British labelling the Vikings, Normans, Saxons, Romans as rapists or murders, yet they did exactly what Australian indigenous people accuse us of doing.

And surely if the British had not invaded Australia, one of the other global powers of the time would have done so, and I seriously doubt the residents would have been treated any better.

There are very few places in the world where the traditional owners have been recognised and the land given back to them, the Inuit people of North America come to mind, but here in Australia we appear to have done more for our traditional owners than most other places on the globe.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
[edit] Guys, let's just tone it down a little.  I don;t want to have to lock the thread as I am opposed to locking and preventing discussion.  We are open to discussion but please no further personal attacks.[/edit]
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Yeah but that's just it. It is not just names it is at times bordering outright abuse. It is their country and all Adam Goodes is arguing for is that they are truly recognised as the first people of Australia, and to be respected. Indigenous people do not have to justify their existance, the trouble is some, of whom may never Interact with Indginous people think they should.
mejhammers1
Genuine Aboriginal people (and I know many) do not care about land rights etc and will happily co-exist with those of other races that show them proper respect, just as they have co-existed with the native wildlife for thousand of years.

You say it is their country, but is it really? All the land belongs to the one who created it. Humans (and animals) are just tenants. Again, genuine aboriginal people recognise this fact.

Those "aboriginal" people who bang on about land rights etc are (mostly) not much more aboriginal than I am (I was born in the UK, heritage largely unknown). They have been schooled to believe that they have certain rights because of a small part of their heritage. All this has happened in relatively recent times.

I agree that Aboriginal people were treated very badly by those that came to this country and for a very long time thereafter, but that doesn't absolve them (the Aboriginal people) of all responsibility for their actions. Yes, people in general are racist, look at how the British treated the dark skinned people who came to live in the UK several decades ago. Many of the older British people are still the same. The same applies in other parts of the world too. I'm not saying it is right, just that it isn't limited to the way Aboriginal people were/are treated.

How many people do you hear telling racist jokes? There was an Englishman, and American and an Irishman... etc... Most of us have done it, I know I have!
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Genuine Aboriginal people (and I know many) do not care about land rights etc and will happily co-exist with those of other races that show them proper respect, just as they have co-existed with the native wildlife for thousand of years.

You say it is their country, but is it really? All the land belongs to the one who created it. Humans (and animals) are just tenants. Again, genuine aboriginal people recognise this fact.

Those "aboriginal" people who bang on about land rights etc are (mostly) not much more aboriginal than I am (I was born in the UK, heritage largely unknown). They have been schooled to believe that they have certain rights because of a small part of their heritage. All this has happened in relatively recent times.

I agree that Aboriginal people were treated very badly by those that came to this country and for a very long time thereafter, but that doesn't absolve them (the Aboriginal people) of all responsibility for their actions. Yes, people in general are racist, look at how the British treated the dark skinned people who came to live in the UK several decades ago. Many of the older British people are still the same. The same applies in other parts of the world too. I'm not saying it is right, just that it isn't limited to the way Aboriginal people were/are treated.

How many people do you hear telling racist jokes? There was an Englishman, and American and an Irishman... etc... Most of us have done it, I know I have!
Graham4405
Apart from Adam Goodes saying Invasion Day, which he will agree was strong, mostly he is arguing that Indigenous people be treated with respect and hasnt mentioned about Land Rights at all.

Graham for all intents and purposes it is their country, like Britain belongs to White Anglo Saxon People and so on. There is no ambiguity about that.

Genuine Aboriginal people (and I know many) do not care about land rights etc and will happily co-exist with those of other races that show them proper respect, just as they have co-existed with the native wildlife for thousand of years.

I have a problem with that statement. So you are only comfortable with Indigenous people who are quiet? Are you saying that Adam Goodes is not a Genuine Aboriginal? Like the American Indian they have been marginalised in their own country. Mr Goodes is seeking recognition of his people, like what happens to Indigenous people in Canada and NZ. Are you saying because of his strong stance against racism that he does not show respect to other races?

Comparing Englishmen, Irishmen, American Jokes to the sort of racism that Indigenous People have endured even to the present is so far off the mark it is not funny (Pardon the Pun)

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Adam Goodes should have stuck to what he knew best and that is 'knuckle down and play good football'.
Goodes likes to dish it out but cannot take it and ducks for cover by using reverse racism as I stated earlier.
And to think that he wants to embark on a political career? Who the hell is he kidding?
Did Adam Goodes open his mouth in defence of Stephen Milne(St Kilda) who copped no end of abuse over rape allegations that have since been cleared? How do you think Milne and his family/friends coped with that?
Where was Goodsey to make a stand against that kind of bullying?
Last weekend there was booing at AFL football games, yet no one is allowed to boo delicate Goodsey.
If that's not double standards, I don't know what is.
I suggest that Geelong(who Sydney play this coming weekend) supporters take plenty of cotton wool with them rather than boo Goodsey just to show they care!
Michelle12
Did Adam Goodes open his mouth in defence of Stephen Milne(St Kilda) who copped no end of abuse over rape allegations

What, the booing at the time was when people did not know Milne was Innocent. In hindsight I am sorry Milne got booed. In any case nobody is allow to discuss a court case and not knowing the outcome at the time of the booing, what is he to say anyway? I think you are clutching at straws with that one.

Goodes is being booed week after week because he threw an Imaginary spear at the crowd, outed a 13 year old and his strong stance on racism. He should say nothing because he plays football, you are joking right?

Wanting his culture to be recognised and standing up for it is Racism, I really dont follow that one ?


Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

If I was to call all aboriginals drunks and layabouts I would rightly be called racist.   But during his AoTY acceptance speech, Goodes called the British 'invaders' rapists and murderers.   Now that is racist and yet you say he is standing against racism.   Why wasn't he called out on that?  
He is a bully and now being called out on it (booed) does what all bullies do when caught - sook.
Donald
Er no he did not Donald. I suggest you should listen to his transcript, for nowhere in his speech did he say that. He did however, use that language in a totally separate incident, after he had watched a film which portrayed the inhumane treatment metered out to Indigenous people at the hands of the British. He admits it was strong, but you know what, he did get called out for people like Andrew Bolt took 2 and 2 and made it 6 and people like you swallowed it.

Michael

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