Prohibited Drugs

 
  orion Station Master

Ok this is gonna sound stupid but...what if you just can't go when they want a urine sample?
So, any yes's or no's to Restavit???? It is an antihistamine......???

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  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
Ok this is gonna sound stupid but...what if you just can't go when they want a urine sample?
So, any yes's or no's to Restavit???? It is an antihistamine......???
"orion"


You wait until you can go. You drink some water, but not too much or you end up with your urea being too dilute and you have to do it all again.

As for Restavit:

http://www.mydr.com.au/medicines/cmis/restavit-tablets

While you are using Restavit
Things to be careful of:

Drowsiness on the day following use may occur.

Use extreme care while doing anything that involves complete alertness such as driving a car, operating machinery, or piloting an aircraft.
"Doctor Google and Consumer Medicines Information at mydr.com.au"


I would suspect that Restavit would not be a good choice, and would not be accepted by a rail operator without a doctor's approval. I doubt a doctor would approve it and allow you to work under it's influence under most circumstances. A change of medication may be on the cards. Perhaps try something herbal. And keep in mind that insomnia and shiftwork can be a pretty nasty mix at times.

I just had a random drug test last week. In the previous fortnight, I'd had 'flu medication, on doctors advice - including "night and day" type stuff on my days off. They didn't bat an eyelid, just took note of the medication and tested me, and told me if I didn't hear from them by last thursday, all would be well. All you have to do is ask your doc - the railway doesn't stop you taking medication if you really need it.
  orion Station Master

Mmm, it gets trickier and trickier. It's not prescribed, anybody can buy it, and on the packet all it says is 'drowsiness may continue the following day' and 'if affected do not drive'. I take not even 1/4 of what the recommended dose is.
As for the urine sample, ok they can hold you until you go..what if you can hold until the end of your shift?
I can quite happily go to the toilet once a day and that's that! ??
  BFCYU Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney "Sutherland Shire"

As for the urine sample, ok they can hold you until you go..what if you can hold until the end of your shift?
I can quite happily go to the toilet once a day and that's that! ??
"orion"


Pacific National @ Botany had random tests (3-4 times @ year).
They told us by radio, come to the mealroom and wait your turn,
and don't urine after that, or drink any liquids.

In the toilet cubicle test area, they told us to wash our hands in cold water,~~meaning to bring it on and then give them "our" sample.
We could not close the cubicle doors and they positioned themselves
just enough to see what was going on. (in case we had another sample)

If you refused the random tests, you were in trouble.
If you could not pass urine after the hand cold water,
they would just ask you wait there, meaning you cannot leave.

Talk about "big brother" Shocked
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Mmm, it gets trickier and trickier. It's not prescribed, anybody can buy it, and on the packet all it says is 'drowsiness may continue the following day' and 'if affected do not drive'. I take not even 1/4 of what the recommended dose is.
As for the urine sample, ok they can hold you until you go..what if you can hold until the end of your shift?
I can quite happily go to the toilet once a day and that's that! ??
"orion"


Then your not complying with producing a sample which is a automatic fail as your trying to hide something and they will give you water to drink.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Go and get your facts right, twerp. It's not my opinion, its the simple facts of the matter. If you have been taking medication of any kind, you now have to report it, due policy changes, outcomes of Footscray accident, Waterfall and the Epping accident.

Wakey, wakey, rise and shine; this is now incumbent on all operators to apply this.
"574M"
Not necessarily all operators... Got drug tested last month, and there's quite a substantial listing of what you do not need to disclose at all...

Ok this is gonna sound stupid but...what if you just can't go when they want a urine sample?
You wait until you can go. You drink some water, but not too much or you end up with your urea being too dilute and you have to do it all again.
"Nadnerbster"
"Orion"
Wot he said. I've personally delayed a train over 2 hours because I couldn't pee on demand. Once you're picked out, you don't do much of anything until you give a valid test. All my tests have usually been done at, or immediately after, signing on, so you've then got 11 hours to do your thing.

And bear in mind, if "they" want to get really anal about it, you can be tested before signing on, as the RSA gives ITSRR (not your employer, though, IIRC) the power to demand a random AOD test from the moment you leave home with the intention of performing Rail Safety Work.
  orion Station Master

Ok so my question still is, what if I say to them I can't go, but really I'm holding it until the end of my shift or whatever? Because I can hold till the cows come home??
  BFCYU Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney "Sutherland Shire"
Ok so my question still is, what if I say to them I can't go, but really I'm holding it until the end of my shift or whatever? Because I can hold till the cows come home??
"orion"


Like I mentioned;
The medical contractors for Pacific National asked us to wash our hands
in cold water to make us pee. (or leave the tap running till we do pee)
They can give you a small glass of water to also bring it on.

Depending who you work for, but P/N told us we cannot leave till we
give the medical staff our urine sample, so if you past the 8th hour,
you are on overtime.

On one occasion, i was only told about the compulsory-random check,
at end of my shift at 0530am and had to wait till the nurse came at 0600am. They gave me 90 minutes O.T. (0700am knock off).

BUT: if you keep saying you cannot pass urine after the cold water treatment, the medical staff MAY have other ideas to get it out,
or report the incident to your own rail employer. (investigation).

I wouldn't try your luck too far as your bosses could stand you down,
till they get your sample.  (after long hours on O.T.)

NB: at P/N; they are professional independent medical staff.
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
Ok so my question still is, what if I say to them I can't go, but really I'm holding it until the end of my shift or whatever? Because I can hold till the cows come home??
"orion"


In the case of Cityrail you are removed from all positions involving Safeworking till a satisfactory sample is provided.
  orion Station Master

Yeh, I wouldn't do it but I was just wondering what would happen if I did as no cold treatment works on me if I don't want it to. O/T would be handy tho Razz
Cool, thanks guys!
  BFCYU Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney "Sutherland Shire"
Yeh, I wouldn't do it but I was just wondering what would happen if I did as no cold treatment works on me if I don't want it to. O/T would be handy tho Razz
Cool, thanks guys!
"orion"


Not being hard on ya orion,
but that's how it works.

At P/N, if any safeworking incident in our yard, (like minor derailment)
every safeworking person was asked to do a breath test, even if not
involved in the incident. (on that rostered shift)

If you refuse, you are stood down.

Same as police-cops and RBT,
if you refuse, you are charged with the same as
the high alcohol content. (>0.10% PCA)
  littleal9 Train Controller

Location: bellambi
Showed the chemist the railcorp drug info card and asked what cold and flu medication I could use, after reading and muttering to himself cant have this and that, he looked at me and said Panadol  and Zyrtec for hayfever to clear a blocked nose is about it, and declare both if tested.
  Clyde2200 Beginner

I agree with  the current practise of alcohol and drug testing , however I feel that urine testing is far too severe and intrusive on the individual.The alcohol testing with the blow in the bag method is fine , and swabbing of the mouth should be the drug test.Some substances are eliminated from the system fairly quickly yet some like THC can stay in the system for weeks or months after last having some.You may have gone to a party ages ago or been on holidays and had a smoke yet a urine analysis will not discriminate how long ago it was or whether you are still affected. No one should come to work these days affected from the ingestion of drugs or alcohol and never  consumed before or during work.Everyone expects a safe workplace and safe work colleagues and nothing less.Random tests are going a long way to ensure this.Other factors like sleep aponea can be of a more major detriment to a persons ability to do a job safely , nodding off at the throttle is very hazardous and decision making probably more impaired than from previous alcohol or drug use.What you do in your private life and social life should never impact on your ability to do your job safely and efficiently but should not be over controlled by your employer.The old style buns with the un irradiated poppy seeds, used to give an opiate reading on tests and people were sacked because of these buns and rolls.Also checking with your doctor about your prescribed medicines and telling your employer and tester what you take is the correct thing to do.  This is my first post and I hope I don't put too many people off side. Paul.
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
I Defence if your A Sample gives a positive result you are removed form all safety critical tasks and areas till the B Sample result is returned. If the B Sample comes back as medical drugs you are fine to return to every day duties.

The drug testing in Defence is a urine test.
  mumsie Beginner

Hey guys,
Does anyone know if suburban train drivers are allowed to take beta blockers?
  wally-wowser1 Train Controller

Location: overlooking the Mt vic washaway on Soldiers Pinch
Poppy Seeds ,   you need a bloody large amount of tem to show a positive   & I'm talking  over a kilo worth .

Have seen a driver escorted off a train at Central & taken round to piss in the bottle . He never worked again on the  railways . He made 1 application to work with another freight mob & they found that is name was on the ITSA list . Hoo Roo .


If you do get caught & shown the door you have no chance of doing rail work  any here in Oz & probably even overseas . There are cases of ex usa staff with priors  applying  for work here &  getting told no   due to  their previous  form elsewhere  & it also works in reverse .

 Wally
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Under the National Rail Safety Legislation the following are declared to be prescribed drugs:
(i)  delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol;
(ii)  Methylamphetamine (Methamphetamine);
(iii)  3,4-Methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA)

There's also a clause about any other substance prescribed by the regulations, but those 3, plus alcohol of course, look to be the only ones at present.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Hey guys,
Does anyone know if suburban train drivers are allowed to take beta blockers?
mumsie
Best people to ask would be a doctor who does railway medicals. You can take medication and still have a job as a driver. It just depends on your management plan, the doctors recommendation and the ultimately avoiding the risk of you being incapacitated at the controls of a train.

I'm not sure what beta blockers are, but I can say I work with a driver who takes strong heart medication and he passes the medicals just fine (just declares the stuff he is taking before drug tests).

Hope that puts you at ease, and yeah. A doctors opinion is going to be worth a lot more than us train guys Smile

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