The D50's are Nigh

 
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Hello standardgoodsophiles,

The Eureka D50 are just around the corner (or should that be curve?).

See   http://eurekamodels.com.au/blog.html

Happy shunting,

John

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  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Getting closer.............

Eureka website updated 25/07/15, new order forms for D50's.  Full price of $680 applies.

http://eurekamodels.com.au/D50.html

Happy standarding,

John
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

Getting closer.............

Eureka website updated 25/07/15, new order forms for D50's.  Full price of $680 applies.

http://eurekamodels.com.au/D50.html

Happy standarding,

John
c3526blue
Even closer now. the eureka blog was updated this morning and the non sound ones will be available for inspection and sale at the Malkara exhibition this weekend.

Absolutly stunned that a loco such as the D50 has attracted no comment at all.

Craig w
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I for one couldn't care less about the D50, and TBH, I think many are taking the attitude of 'I'll actually only believe it when I see it'. And I like Eureka, I think they're given a bad rap, but I still don't believe anything that resembles a date from them.
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

I for one couldn't care less about the D50, and TBH, I think many are taking the attitude of 'I'll actually only believe it when I see it'. And I like Eureka, I think they're given a bad rap, but I still don't believe anything that resembles a date from them.
Aaron
Eureka at Malkara

Eureka will be at the Malkara Exhibition this weekend the1st and 2nd of August.
We will have non-sound 50 class locomotives available for sale and inspection and sound equipped models running on one of the layouts. Sound equipped 50 class are due for delivery last week in August.

Thats the words from their blog. I would suggest that it is here and can be purchased tomorrow .
  M636C Minister for Railways

Even closer now. the eureka blog was updated this morning and the non sound ones will be available for inspection and sale at the Malkara exhibition this weekend.

Absolutly stunned that a loco such as the D50 has attracted no comment at all.

Craig w
"CraigW"


I understand the difference between Beyer Peacock and North British superheated locomotives is the position of the funnel, and I'd like to see that on the respective models. This isn't clear in the photos I've seen so far.

Are these supposed to have the 1937 "standard" boiler or the original T class boiler? Particularly the non-superheated locomotives. There were standard boilers without superheaters, but I have no idea how many there were....

There were a lot more 50 class built than originally intended due to the relative failure of the 53 class....

M636C
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
Anyone find out where they're hiding the CG order forms?
  railmod Chief Train Controller

Talking about the 'North British' version, I believe there was a small article in AMRM many years ago about what was required to be done to the DJH 50 to convert it to a North British version. Does anyone know what issue that was in?

Cheers Alex.
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
I hope Ron has posted out the orders for those who have paid in advance.  It doesn't worry me too much if he posts mine next week, but some people get all emotional if he sells some models before posting out the orders.  The way I look at it is that an opportunity has come up to sell some at an exhibition so as long as he sends mine, and others who have ordered, next week good luck to him.

Just for the sake of keeping the punters happy I hope he has taken this attitude into account.

Best regards,
John
  a6et Minister for Railways

Even closer now. the eureka blog was updated this morning and the non sound ones will be available for inspection and sale at the Malkara exhibition this weekend.

Absolutly stunned that a loco such as the D50 has attracted no comment at all.

Craig w
CraigW
In the past when anyone has posted comments especially when they are not complimentary they get lamblasted for it, very much the reason why I have said nothing about the obvious errors, oops, the factory got it wrong! the smaller issues, opps the factory did not read the CAD drawings properly!

As I was informed that some who have seen them reckon they look like a 50cl, so that makes them a great model.

Besides, when has Eureka listened to anyone regarding their models anyway?
  Ardglen Junior Train Controller

In the past when anyone has posted comments especially when they are not complimentary they get lamblasted for it, very much the reason why I have said nothing about the obvious errors, oops, the factory got it wrong! the smaller issues, opps the factory did not read the CAD drawings properly!

As I was informed that some who have seen them reckon they look like a 50cl, so that makes them a great model.

Besides, when has Eureka listened to anyone regarding their models anyway?
a6et
I'm not trying to "stir the pot"; just genuinely interested as a potential buyer... what are the obvious errors/ smaller issues with the d50?
Regards
Andrew
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
I hope Ron has posted out the orders for those who have paid in advance.  It doesn't worry me too much if he posts mine next week, but some people get all emotional if he sells some models before posting out the orders.  The way I look at it is that an opportunity has come up to sell some at an exhibition so as long as he sends mine, and others who have ordered, next week good luck to him.

Just for the sake of keeping the punters happy I hope he has taken this attitude into account.

Best regards,
John
John_Bushell
Posted out the week after an exhibition is fine by me. Not getting locos, for which I coughed up the cash years ago, for months after they were sold at an exhibition is what gets my blood boiling!
  a6et Minister for Railways

I'm not trying to "stir the pot"; just genuinely interested as a potential buyer... what are the obvious errors/ smaller issues with the d50?
Regards
Andrew
Ardglen
Obvious errors.  

Footplate running/board too thick - does not line up with the tender underframe in height & thickness.  Wheel splashers are too high & not rounded edges enough.

No lamp bracket on smokebox door, & Only 3 lamp brackets on the buffer beam rather than 4 the general standard for NSWGR steam locomotives, some & that was few had one or 2 missing in later years.

Fire Iron hook is very oversized along with other rails, along with the thicknesses of the boiler brackets.

Oil lines have no definition in them at all. rather than having five individual lines.

Front hook coupler is far too low.  The use of an intergrated screw coupling is also not correct, this may be a manufacturer requirement for them to run with the non air hoppers, but are not the hoppers coming in sets with Kadees one the outer ends.

The side cab joining plate, which lines up with the screw splashing is oversized.

There is something not quite right with the funnel also.

No sign of any glazing in the front windows both above firebox & for crews.

There are a couple of other more minor items as well, which deal with things like the marker lights & other items that lack definition in their detail.

All of this is based only the photo's provided on the Eureka sites & on the drivers side as well, I have not seen a photo showing the firemans side
  M636C Minister for Railways


As I was informed that some who have seen them reckon they look like a 50cl, so that makes them a great model.
a6et

I had a quick look at the three models on display at Malkara.

The packaging made it too difficult to say about the one displayed in its box.

There was a non-superheated locomotive displayed next to a Beyer Peacock superheated locomotive.

The boiler looks to be the same with different smokeboxes applied as appropriate. The funnel position was as expected further forward on the superheated loco but I couldn't tell whether it was in the correct position for a BP as opposed to an NBL locomotive.
There was another unnumbered superheated locomotive on display, which lacked coal in the tender and may have been incomplete.

One display locomotive had the front edge of the cab roof adrift on one side.

Generally the locomotives looked as if they represent the standard boiler version, so in post WWII condition generally.

M636C
  a6et Minister for Railways

I had a quick look at the three models on display at Malkara.

The packaging made it too difficult to say about the one displayed in its box.

There was a non-superheated locomotive displayed next to a Beyer Peacock superheated locomotive.

The boiler looks to be the same with different smokeboxes applied as appropriate. The funnel position was as expected further forward on the superheated loco but I couldn't tell whether it was in the correct position for a BP as opposed to an NBL locomotive.
There was another unnumbered superheated locomotive on display, which lacked coal in the tender and may have been incomplete.

One display locomotive had the front edge of the cab roof adrift on one side.

Generally the locomotives looked as if they represent the standard boiler version, so in post WWII condition generally.

M636C
M636C
So far there has only been samples of the two superheated versions as shown on their blog site & the last newsletter had saturated 5136 partly viewable.

The positioning of the funnel for the 2 superheated models is for non NB loco's.
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
In the past when anyone has posted comments especially when they are not complimentary they get lamblasted for it, very much the reason why I have said nothing about the obvious errors, oops, the factory got it wrong! the smaller issues, opps the factory did not read the CAD drawings properly!

As I was informed that some who have seen them reckon they look like a 50cl, so that makes them a great model.

Besides, when has Eureka listened to anyone regarding their models anyway?
a6et

But your raising it now anyway.....

So your saying that you contacted Eureka earlier on the process and you got no response?

Regards,

Catchpoint
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Obvious errors.  

Footplate running/board too thick - does not line up with the tender underframe in height & thickness.  Wheel splashers are too high & not rounded edges enough.

No lamp bracket on smokebox door, & Only 3 lamp brackets on the buffer beam rather than 4 the general standard for NSWGR steam locomotives, some & that was few had one or 2 missing in later years.

Fire Iron hook is very oversized along with other rails, along with the thicknesses of the boiler brackets.

Oil lines have no definition in them at all. rather than having five individual lines.

Front hook coupler is far too low.  The use of an intergrated screw coupling is also not correct, this may be a manufacturer requirement for them to run with the non air hoppers, but are not the hoppers coming in sets with Kadees one the outer ends.

The side cab joining plate, which lines up with the screw splashing is oversized.

There is something not quite right with the funnel also.

No sign of any glazing in the front windows both above firebox & for crews.

There are a couple of other more minor items as well, which deal with things like the marker lights & other items that lack definition in their detail.

All of this is based only the photo's provided on the Eureka sites & on the drivers side as well, I have not seen a photo showing the firemans side
a6et

We all bought Lima 44's didn't we.....

Best available at the time were they not, until Brass models released, until ToR their version....

Perhaps all or at the very least some of the problems noted by you above from photographs on the internet being viewed on a monitor of a particular size and or quality were of I assume pre-production and / or heavily handled engineering samples and may have been corrected and or missing parts fitted on production models that are now for sale.

No doubt your waiting for the usual foes to appear, although in this instance the Eureka 50 is coming with RP25/88 wheels so that dismisses the "Steam Roller Width Wheel" diatribe in advance. (fingers crossed eh)

Regards,

Catchpoint
  a6et Minister for Railways

We all bought Lima 44's didn't we.....

Best available at the time were they not, until Brass models released, until ToR their version....

Perhaps all or at the very least some of the problems noted by you above from photographs on the internet being viewed on a monitor of a particular size and or quality were of I assume pre-production and / or heavily handled engineering samples and may have been corrected and or missing parts fitted on production models that are now for sale.

No doubt your waiting for the usual foes to appear, although in this instance the Eureka 50 is coming with RP25/88 wheels so that dismisses the "Steam Roller Width Wheel" diatribe in advance. (fingers crossed eh)

Regards,

Catchpoint
catchpoint
Interesting comments, & yep we bought the Lima models until better ones came along at the right prices given the newer versions were better scaled.

I notice the issues from my memory of working on them, my own photo/slide collections along with some very close & easy to see photo's in books, along with the excellent online Weston Langford photo collection.  Its very interesting also that we have been presented with several pre production models on the blog site, & I would be most happy to see & think the production models will have corrected items, but I wont hold my breath.

Thank you for the RP88 item as certainly having them, will make this the best RTR model of a 50cl at affordable price that has yet been produced. Sadly though if I read the Eureka blogs & newsletters correctly, along with the news in AMRM, these models are from the factory that is owned & operated by the Engineer who worked at SDK & produced the TOR 32cl, now with all the percieved problems with that model, they could at least gat the the running board thicknesses correct, also the fire iron bracket correct, along with some of the other items I mention here & those I have not.
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

Looking forward to getting 5069 with sound at the end of the month
  TedFreeman Junior Train Controller

Location: Toowoomba, Queensland
So, did the non-sound ones arrive for sale and inspection or not?

Nothing said at all about them yet!

Ted (Teditor) Freeman
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Apparently they have arrived......

but no one has bought one, based on the sound and sage written oracle advice provided in this thread Laughing

Regards,

Catchpoint
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Just a matter of trivia or pedantry.  There is no such thing as RP88 for wheels.  On the NMRA site you will find RP-25 concerning wheel profile.  http://www.nmra.org/sites/default/files/standards/sandrp/pdf/RP-25%202009.07.pdf  Within RP-25 there is a table in which the first column lists Code.  Those codes range from 175 to 54, and include 88.  The next column is tire (sic) width, and from that column it becomes obvious that the code is the tyre width in thousandths of an inch.

I know what is meant by RP88 - it implies RP-25 code 88.  So since I understand what is meant perhaps I should not comment.  Just the pedant in me. Smile

Best regards,
John
  a6et Minister for Railways

Apparently they have arrived......

but no one has bought one, based on the sound and sage written oracle advice provided in this thread Laughing

Regards,

Catchpoint
catchpoint
Oh! am I that much of a villain, ogre on one side of the trench while surfing the other?  I wonder though about the sales of non pre-ordered & paid for models.

I saw no information come through on the Eureka blog or Web page about the cut off date for the predelivery price ending, but notice today that by delving into the dungeon cells of the Eureka site that there is now one price shown & that is $680.00 for the non sound version.  Wonder how many can afford that amount anyway?
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Oh! am I that much of a villain, ogre on one side of the trench while surfing the other?  I wonder though about the sales of non pre-ordered & paid for models.

I saw no information come through on the Eureka blog or Web page about the cut off date for the predelivery price ending, but notice today that by delving into the dungeon cells of the Eureka site that there is now one price shown & that is $680.00 for the non sound version.  Wonder how many can afford that amount anyway?
a6et
Makes the Ixion Class 32 @ $545/595 look better, but although I thought about adding a few NSW engines for the cross border part of my layout, I doubt if I will as I believe my resistance level is now well exceeded. Perhaps others have reached their end as well. Its just a shame that Eureeka and the rest delayed production of their models up to 10 years and were gathered up by hefty price increases,for whatever reason. So I will not be looking at the K Class or any other steamers, making do with what I already have.
But lets not forget about Shrike Wink $475 including postage....hmmm? Wonder if they will get to build a VR steamer?
Cheers
Rod
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
So, did the non-sound ones arrive for sale and inspection or not?

Nothing said at all about them yet!

Ted (Teditor) Freeman
TedFreeman
Hi Ted,

Yes, all the non-sound versions were available for sale.  I know that some were purchased.

I picked up my pre-ordered 5096 and 5271 on the Sunday ($550 each).  They had a short run on Binabeen that afternoon.  A sound version was run on Mungo Scotts layout, at least on the Saturday, but I did not see (or hear) it in person.

They are a bit noisy (gear noise) so don't expect a quiet loco.  This seems to be from the all gear drive which appears to contain some brass gears (ala K&M mechs).  They do need running in.  They come with the engine and tender already connected in the box.  A small problem is that the connecting wires are very stiff and this tends to restrict the independent movement of the tender (this was as advised by Ron).  This can cause the tender to derail (it is very light).  The pickup method adopted for the tender is similar to the HUB cars and employs a brass strip either side of the tender body being contacted by a metal tab about 4mm long rising from the bogie sideframe.  This does restrict the free movement of the tender bogies also, perhaps adding to the tender derailing issue.

A nice touch is that the marker lights (on the superheated versions with headlights) are lit and operate white/red depending on the direction of travel.  The white markers are also warm yellow and match the headlight colour satisfactorily.

Another oddity, there is a new version of the magnetic 'T' tool in the box.  Ron advises that this does not have any use with the non-sound versions.

The look great leading a rake of LCH/CCH and CHG van.  A very nice train!  

Sorry, no photos yet!

I would be interested in other's comments/feedback.  I will have a closer look this week and give further impressions.

Happy standarding,

John

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