The D50's are Nigh

 
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
I received an e-mail from Ron last Friday, or maybe it was Saturday, advising that mine is packed ready to send Monday (today).  Will be a few days before I get the decoder fitted and after that I could give you a report John.

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  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT
Apparently they have arrived......

but no one has bought one, based on the sound and sage written oracle advice provided in this thread Laughing

Regards,

Catchpoint
Oh! am I that much of a villain, ogre on one side of the trench while surfing the other?  I wonder though about the sales of non pre-ordered & paid for models.

I saw no information come through on the Eureka blog or Web page about the cut off date for the predelivery price ending, but notice today that by delving into the dungeon cells of the Eureka site that there is now one price shown & that is $680.00 for the non sound version.  Wonder how many can afford that amount anyway?
a6et
TBH, this was the clincher for me. I can understand having pre-order offers but Eureka seems to be the only company that increases prices well before the model arrives.  Price went from $550 (preorder), $600 (After 30th June 2012 but before delivery) and $660 after delivery (advertised in the June 2012 AMRM.  Skip ahead to June 2015 theyve gone to $620 pre delivery and $680 after.

Eureka can sell there models at whatever price they want to and the difference is only $20, but considering no other company has done it (that I'm aware off), I don't really like the way they do business.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
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I saw no information come through on the Eureka blog or Web page about the cut off date for the predelivery price ending, but notice today that by delving into the dungeon cells of the Eureka site that there is now one price shown & that is $680.00 for the non sound version.  Wonder how many can afford that amount anyway?
a6et
Hi a6,

Refer the second post in this thread. Blog update of 25/07/15 advises that a new order form for the D50's has been uploaded and the new price of $680 applies.

I assume that you, like some others in this thread, will not be getting one?

Happy 'T' ing,

John

PS;  Thanks for your detailed insight into some of the issues relating to the models.  I shall use these matters as a basis for my further perusal of the models later this week.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
TBH, this was the clincher for me. I can understand having pre-order offers but Eureka seems to be the only company that increases prices well before the model arrives.  Price went from $550 (preorder), $600 (After 30th June 2012 but before delivery) and $660 after delivery (advertised in the June 2012 AMRM.  Skip ahead to June 2015 theyve gone to $620 pre delivery and $680 after.

Eureka can sell there models at whatever price they want to and the difference is only $20, but considering no other company has done it (that I'm aware off), I don't really like the way they do business.
Duffy

Hi Duffy,

I think that you are being a bit unfair to Eureka.  They are not the only producer to increase prices 'just before' release of the model.

In Eureka's early orders/newsletters/blogs the (after delivery) price of $660 had a proviso "after delivery price will depend on the A$ but is expected to be".  This price would be based on the AU$/US$ exchange rate not changing significantly.  As most would be aware there has been a 30% devaluation of the AU$ in the last twelve months.  I was expecting a larger price increase than the $20 that has been applied.  Some other companies with projected diesel prices of $295 are now charging $315 to $325 for their models.

Prices have been cushioned for a few years with a high AU$.  This is a sign of many price increases to come.

Happy spending,

John
  a6et Minister for Railways

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I saw no information come through on the Eureka blog or Web page about the cut off date for the predelivery price ending, but notice today that by delving into the dungeon cells of the Eureka site that there is now one price shown & that is $680.00 for the non sound version.  Wonder how many can afford that amount anyway?
Hi a6,

Refer the second post in this thread. Blog update of 25/07/15 advises that a new order form for the D50's has been uploaded and the new price of $680 applies.

I assume that you, like some others in this thread, will not be getting one?

Happy 'T' ing,

John

PS;  Thanks for your detailed insight into some of the issues relating to the models.  I shall use these matters as a basis for my further perusal of the models later this week.
c3526blue
John

I think I mentioned that, & it was what I was referring to when having to dig through the dungeon on their web site.

The problem is to me is what information was not posted on their web or blog page about the cut off time for the pre delivery price & the end date.  Ron was telling people at the Brickpit about the cut off date, but he should have also had it posted early enough say a month for those who wanted them at the saving.

The other thing was that the adds in AMRM also conflicted with the web/blog page regarding prices as well.  As such its not really great business principles or trying to develop PR exercises. In this area Auscision beats all the competition hands down in providing notice on the web.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
John

I think I mentioned that, & it was what I was referring to when having to dig through the dungeon on their web site.

The problem is to me is what information was not posted on their web or blog page about the cut off time for the pre delivery price & the end date.  Ron was telling people at the Brickpit about the cut off date, but he should have also had it posted early enough say a month for those who wanted them at the saving.

The other thing was that the adds in AMRM also conflicted with the web/blog page regarding prices as well.  As such its not really great business principles or trying to develop PR exercises. In this area Auscision beats all the competition hands down in providing notice on the web.
a6et

Hi a6,

Yes true, there was no warning saying that the pre-delivery price would end on a certain date.  However, most people following the Eureka blog were (or should have been aware) that the D50's were to be delivered on 28th July, hence the pre-delivery price would end at that time.  This was posted on 15th July, so about two weeks notice of the delivery date.  The price actually went up on 25th July (only ten days later).

Auscision give a fair warning, but even they are somewhat ambiguous.  Example is the 421 pre-delivery cutoff final advice of 27th July advising that full price would apply from this weekend.  Does that mean Friday or Sunday?  If Friday then only 4 days notice.  You have to be a regular facebook user to see these advices.  I generally only go on facebook once a week or so, so could have missed this (and have missed some previous Auscision cutoff dates).  Although again on 13th July Auscision advised delivery at the end of July, so putting 2 and 2 together the pre-delivery price would end on 31st July.

Unfortunately Eureka don't use facebook so no advice in that fashion.  Yes there are many inconsistencies between the AMRM ads and the website.  Indeed there are many inconsistent dates and prices just on the website.  Remember the post where Ron advised that the website was maintained by some bumbling amateur(s) - apparently very very true.  Can they do better - definitely.

Happy ordering,

John

PS;  I hate nested quotes!
  a6et Minister for Railways

John

I think I mentioned that, & it was what I was referring to when having to dig through the dungeon on their web site.

The problem is to me is what information was not posted on their web or blog page about the cut off time for the pre delivery price & the end date.  Ron was telling people at the Brickpit about the cut off date, but he should have also had it posted early enough say a month for those who wanted them at the saving.

The other thing was that the adds in AMRM also conflicted with the web/blog page regarding prices as well.  As such its not really great business principles or trying to develop PR exercises. In this area Auscision beats all the competition hands down in providing notice on the web.

Hi a6,

Yes true, there was no warning saying that the pre-delivery price would end on a certain date.  However, most people following the Eureka blog were (or should have been aware) that the D50's were to be delivered on 28th July, hence the pre-delivery price would end at that time.  This was posted on 15th July, so about two weeks notice of the delivery date.  The price actually went up on 25th July (only ten days later).

Auscision give a fair warning, but even they are somewhat ambiguous.  Example is the 421 pre-delivery cutoff final advice of 27th July advising that full price would apply from this weekend.  Does that mean Friday or Sunday?  If Friday then only 4 days notice.  You have to be a regular facebook user to see these advices.  I generally only go on facebook once a week or so, so could have missed this (and have missed some previous Auscision cutoff dates).  Although again on 13th July Auscision advised delivery at the end of July, so putting 2 and 2 together the pre-delivery price would end on 31st July.

Unfortunately Eureka don't use facebook so no advice in that fashion.  Yes there are many inconsistencies between the AMRM ads and the website.  Indeed there are many inconsistent dates and prices just on the website.  Remember the post where Ron advised that the website was maintained by some bumbling amateur(s) - apparently very very true.  Can they do better - definitely.

Happy ordering,

John

PS;  I hate nested quotes!
c3526blue
John

I am not on FB, after being caught at one stage & taking something akin to 4 years to be basically rid of it from the computer.

I am not a modern day modeller so don't take a lot of interest in things that Auscision produce, although I have to say the models they are producing these days are reaching levels of excellence.

For me, I have to say that the area of excellence may not always reach to their advertising, but do they get caught out with unexpected shipments?  However, with the others, there is a fair gap in what is happening & the reality is, when they get notified of a models impending shipment, I see no reason good or bad why they cannot post it on their primary upfront web page, it would not hurt either if it goes on any other page they care to have for consumer interest, such as blog or facebook & the like.

After all it takes probably 5 minutes to compose a notice to say   Pre delivery price offer on XXXX loco or other item finishes on xx date, C&P to each of the web pages.  Surelly the specific factory that each of the importers use do advise when models are complete on the assembly line & being packed for shipment, along with the usual shipping, customs clearing times a fair indication of when they will be ready for post outs, which I think provides a reasonable window to announce the cut off date in reasonable time, of at least 4 weeks.
  qldchook Locomotive Driver

Has anyone who ordered a D50 received it yet?
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Has anyone who ordered a D50 received it yet?
qldchook
Chook, yes received my D50 in Stafford, Brisbane, Wednesday morning.

Best regards,
John
  TedFreeman Junior Train Controller

Location: Toowoomba, Queensland
This D50 has to be the least talked about new loco ever, is that because it's perfect or not worth talking about?
  M636C Minister for Railways

This D50 has to be the least talked about new loco ever, is that because it's perfect or not worth talking about?
"TedFreeman"


It certainly isn't a bad model and might be the best steam locomotive Eureka have made.

Perhaps there aren't enough people with strong opinions about the class. The last one in regular service was saturated 5069 which was in steam on the last official day of steam operation in March 1973. None are preserved in working order.

The model covers a very restricted number of variations, only the 3650 gallon tender and superheated and saturated versions with otherwise the same (standard?) boiler and cab details.

There are now dozens of suitable wagons and coaches to run with the 50 but it is a secondary locomotive not likely to draw much attention. It is good that one is available and it fills a gap. But it doesn't create much excitement.

Most of the serious modellers in the appropriate period are buying one, just not talking about it much.

M636C
  a6et Minister for Railways

This D50 has to be the least talked about new loco ever, is that because it's perfect or not worth talking about?


It certainly isn't a bad model and might be the best steam locomotive Eureka have made.

Perhaps there aren't enough people with strong opinions about the class. The last one in regular service was saturated 5069 which was in steam on the last official day of steam operation in March 1973. None are preserved in working order.

The model covers a very restricted number of variations, only the 3650 gallon tender and superheated and saturated versions with otherwise the same (standard?) boiler and cab details.

There are now dozens of suitable wagons and coaches to run with the 50 but it is a secondary locomotive not likely to draw much attention. It is good that one is available and it fills a gap. But it doesn't create much excitement.

Most of the serious modellers in the appropriate period are buying one, just not talking about it much.

M636C
M636C
Amazing really about the quietness of the model & its apparent perfect status, although I wonder if many are actually waiting for the review of it in AMRM to highlight the very visible errors in them.

The primary one that sticks out like the proverbial mail dogs joys are the wheel splashers, their height, & sharpness of the outsides rather than the rounded appearance.  Small but missing item in the smokebox lamp bracket, also not the normal 4 on the buffer beam.  only 2 oil lines rather than 5, non aligning of the cab footplate with the tender, the funnel is a bit too stovepipe for the modern types as is the headlight more in keeping with early period headlights.  The front hook coupling should not have a screw coupler attached to it either, likewise the hook is far too low.

The performance of the model however, is very smooth & quiet, and a nice touch is the directional marker lights.  No crew as per advising but the fireman shovelling would be reminded of the old 29cl with a step up between the cab floor & the tender though.
  5919o Station Staff

Their was an update on the Eureka blog"50 Class on the way" that the Sound 50 will be here 12 September ,They left China on the 1st .

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