Call for fourth Warrnambool rail service sparks heated Upper House debate

 
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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
How long were the liberals in for in coalition with the Nationals?  Please.  If it a bit rich to start blaming the current minister when the former minister refused to be engaged on the issue and the former premier did not do anything about it with his electorate close by.

Call for fourth Warrnambool rail service sparks heated Upper House debate

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  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
From what I can tell the outer country areas will not get their 4th return additional service until the N sets that are being used in peak services on the Geelong line can be freed up by the three car V/Locities (60-66) that are currently on order. Also throw into that equation the return of the Z cars with cracked bogies. It'll be a while before V/Line can start adding more services........
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
From what I can tell the outer country areas will not get their 4th return additional service until the N sets that are being used in peak services on the Geelong line can be freed up by the three car V/Locities (60-66) that are currently on order. Also throw into that equation the return of the Z cars with cracked bogies. It'll be a while before V/Line can start adding more services........
SamTheMan79

Appreciate the feedback.  Presently extra services are being requested for Shepparton, Warnnambool (long overdue) and Albury which has been discussed on here previously.  Maryborough are also calling for additional services but it is not clear if these will require additional rollingstock.  Either way V/line are in need of additional rollingstock on both gauges.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

In respect of additional longer distance services previously foreshadowed by VLP and announced by Mulder in the last days of Napthines "death throes"  Government as  wish list items  ....... the reality is  :

- Second later am Ups and  Mid afternoon Downs on Warrnambool and Albury  waiting on release of 4xN sets currently tied up on Peak Geelongs, till sufficient VL delivered. Anticipate  12 - 18  months to introduction.

-  am Dn Maryborough &  early afternoon Up Maryborough as extended Ballarat  VL can happen much earlier.

- am Dn Echuca & early afternoon  Up Echuca as extended Bendigo  VL can happen likewise earlier.

- Earlier  am Up Ararat as extension of Wendouree Up VL  can happen when train sizes can be beefed up.
Ditto  mid afternoon  Dn Wendouree as extension to Ararat .

- Extension of  a PM  Down Trararalgon in afternoon to Sale, and eralier service in am out of Sale as VL Trararalgon extensions
await increase in train sizes .  

- Provision of long awaited mid afternoon Dn Shepparton also requires 4N to be released ex Geelong .

Minister is tending to do or say nothing at the moment referring to the much hyped  Regional Transport Strategy due out soon .
Will be interesting to see what extra services are proposed, and the supporting infrastructure improvements planned to support increased service frequencies proposed.  Will be dissapointing if it just another catalogue of platitudes and motherhood statements .
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The reasons for the waiting are not acceptable as 18 months down south in Victoria means 36 months. Why can't vline order new passenger vehicles now it does not make sense. It is almost like vline can't actually spend a few dollars and increase there not dmu passenger fleet.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
You need to understand what a budget Is, and how that budget Is controlled !
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
The reasons for the waiting are not acceptable as 18 months down south in Victoria means 36 months. Why can't vline order new passenger vehicles now it does not make sense. It is almost like vline can't actually spend a few dollars and increase there not dmu passenger fleet.
freightgate
Yeah, no worries. Just send your bank account details to the Department of Transport and they'll get cracking.
  I'm Barely Online Locomotive Fireman

I would upgrade and improve the service on the Seymour line before doing anything else
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I would upgrade and improve the service on the Seymour line before doing anything else
I'm Barely Online
What upgrades would you suggest exactley?
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
The reasons for the waiting are not acceptable as 18 months down south in Victoria means 36 months. Why can't vline order new passenger vehicles now it does not make sense. It is almost like vline can't actually spend a few dollars and increase there not dmu passenger fleet.
freightgate
Seven additional V/lociraptors are already coming.  VL60 - 66 as noted above.  That's the equivalent of three 6-car train sets plus a spare and would release sufficient N-sets from Geelong duties to cover an additional Warrnambool and Shepparton.

Centre cars for the few remaining 2VL sets are in build meaning all units will be 3VL within months. That uplift in capacity should permit the additional Maryborough, Ararat and Sale trips not through provision of more trains but by provision of enough seats for the additional passengers.

These benefits should be rolled out within 18 not 36 months and possibly sooner.

Much longer term benefits would arise if the Warrnambool trains once again were reserved for passengers travelling to / from points west of Geelong and ran express from Melbourne to Geelong.  That should provide enough pathing for an additional Geelong (Waurn Ponds) stopper to run right behind them for local passengers.  Likewise when the Dandenong corridor upgrade is completed some years from now we could reasonably expect a cut in journey times on the Gippsland route and possibly additional trains as well.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Much longer term benefits would arise if the Warrnambool trains once again were reserved for passengers travelling to / from points west of Geelong and ran express from Melbourne to Geelong.  That should provide enough pathing for an additional Geelong (Waurn Ponds) stopper to run right behind them for local passengers.  Likewise when the Dandenong corridor upgrade is completed some years from now we could reasonably expect a cut in journey times on the Gippsland route and possibly additional trains as well.
The medium term objective when sufficient rollingstock is available by cascade is for the  Warrnambools, and Swan Hills especially to be largely express within the Inter Urban area, with higher frequency local services serving pax within the Inter Urban area .  This especially so on Warrnambool where slow loco hauled passes serving stations to Geelong are tripping up faster following VL sets and also craeting unnecessary overcrowding issues for longer distance pax who only have a few trains a day to choose from, whereas from Waurn  Ponds in the "punters"  are handsomely served by local trains .

VLP are partly to blame for current situation as they deliberately dumbed down the Inter city trains in 2006 by inserting lots of extra stops within the Commuter area, resulting in slower services and bigger consists and unnecessary empty carriage kms beyond the Inter urban area .
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
You need to understand what a budget Is, and how that budget Is controlled !
Nightfire
Budgets in many places seem to be controlled by doing nothing in the first place rather than by doing something professionally and efficiently.Sad
  I'm Barely Online Locomotive Fireman

I would upgrade and improve the service on the Seymour line before doing anything else
What upgrades would you suggest exactley?
Gman_86
Duplicate the last section of single track on the line between Dysart and Seymour and upgrade the line to Shepparton to allow more trains to the town (at least every 2nd service if possible), to do that would require more new rollingstock, stabling facilites at Shepparton and crossing loops along the line
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
You need to understand what a budget Is, and how that budget Is controlled !
Budgets in many places seem to be controlled by doing nothing in the first place rather than by doing something professionally and efficiently.Sad
YM-Mundrabilla

Especially in Victoria where it is easier to do nothing rather than tackle the issues head on and take accountability and responsibility for the solution.

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