Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Yeah, it worked with Bob Hawke, yet another piece of sh*t.
Another pretend working class hero. There he was the other day spruiking the benefits of the ChAFTA on behalf of his Chinese groups that he's paid a fortune to represent. Selling out what's left of the Aussie working class; what a big old whore for anyone he turned out to be. And a full-on narcissist... whoever could forget the pictures of him and his biographer in their bath-robes for New Idea.
don_dunstan
I loved the fact that Keating once said in an interview about the time he was called to 'audience' when Hawke was sunbathing in the raw and he said the Pork Minister was nothing to be impressed with.

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  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Yeah, it worked with Bob Hawke, yet another piece of sh*t.
Another pretend working class hero. There he was the other day spruiking the benefits of the ChAFTA on behalf of his Chinese groups that he's paid a fortune to represent. Selling out what's left of the Aussie working class; what a big old whore for anyone he turned out to be. And a full-on narcissist... whoever could forget the pictures of him and his biographer in their bath-robes for New Idea.
I loved the fact that Keating once said in an interview about the time he was called to 'audience' when Hawke was sunbathing in the raw and he said the Pork Minister was nothing to be impressed with.
TheBlacksmith
Takes one Pork to recognize another Razz
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
(For Shane's benefit): Stupid things that Joe Hockey said/did.

Takes a week's holiday during parliament's first week with the new Senate 7/7/2014. Like G.W. Bush - when the going gets tough, the tough go on holidays...

16/7/2014 Says he is "ready to by-pass Parliament" if his budget won't get through the Senate. How? He doesn't seem to understand how the Westminster system works.

8/8/2014 Tells other Liberal parliamentarians that "Everyone is against me". Obviously feeling the pressure of having a responsible job by that stage... Whew! Nobody warned me it would be much harder than corporate lawyering...

"Increases in fuel excise will hit the rich harder than the poor. The poor don't have cars or if they do they don't drive very far" 13/8/2014 (Never heard of the rural poor, eh Joe? I guess if you can't see them from North Shore then they don't exist).

"People who want to buy their first home [in Sydney] need to get a good job that pays good money... If houses were unaffordable nobody would be buying [them]". 9/6/2015 (All you need is the right connections like I do!)

There's actually plenty more but I think you get the point. The man lost his job for a reason... he was no good at it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I loved the fact that Keating once said in an interview about the time he was called to 'audience' when Hawke was sunbathing in the raw and he said the Pork Minister was nothing to be impressed with.
TheBlacksmith
Apparently he loved nuding-up at the Lodge pool and didn't care if there was an audience... typical narcissist, they think everyone wants to see them cavorting naked.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I loved the fact that Keating once said in an interview about the time he was called to 'audience' when Hawke was sunbathing in the raw and he said the Pork Minister was nothing to be impressed with.
Apparently he loved nuding-up at the Lodge pool and didn't care if there was an audience... typical narcissist, they think everyone wants to see them cavorting naked.
don_dunstan
Shows what a twit he was, the prime requisite for parading yourself in front of others naked is to have adequate equipment for the job.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
I loved the fact that Keating once said in an interview about the time he was called to 'audience' when Hawke was sunbathing in the raw and he said the Pork Minister was nothing to be impressed with.
Apparently he loved nuding-up at the Lodge pool and didn't care if there was an audience... typical narcissist, they think everyone wants to see them cavorting naked.
Shows what a twit he was, the prime requisite for parading yourself in front of others naked is to have adequate equipment for the job.
TheBlacksmith
Politicians have been getting their gear off for ages:

Senators bathing in the Snowy River at Dalgety, 1902
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
She should switch to the ALP. They would elect her as their parliamentary leader!
Yeah, it worked with Bob Hawke, yet another piece of sh*t.
TheBlacksmith
I’m sure anyone can nominate one or several PMs as sh#ts right through to the last recently 'aborted' t#rd. Basically, when it comes to social-economic reforms all post-war governments were mediocre apart from the Hawke/Keating era.

Shorten isn’t a dickhead, he’s just wrong for the role. Far too restrained for a party that needs to be on the front foot.

It remains to be seen if Turnbull can bring the libs back to a more centralist position after being dominated by the reactionary pre-Copernicans Laughing for so long.
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner


Shorten isn’t a dickhead, he’s just wrong for the role. Far too restrained for a party that needs to be on the front foot.

Groundrelay
I suspect there are a good number of cleaners and other low paid workers who think your first comment is rather closer to the mark.

Craig W
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Shorten … he’s just wrong …
Groundrelay
That would have been a better way of putting it.

Shorten isn’t a dickhead, …
Groundrelay
Try telling that to the AWU members who would happily take a baseball bat to his kneecaps after he took kickbacks to screw them over.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Shorten … he’s just wrong …
That would have been a better way of putting it.
justapassenger
I think the Labor Party are also finally catching on to this reality. The problem is that stupid legacy of that Rudd process for a long drawn out leadership challenge process - it means they can't easily dislodge a stinker like the Liberals quickly and successfully just did.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Just remember, without Bill Shorten's advocacy for the National Disability Insurance Scheme we would still be talking about possibly trialling it in a decade's time.

The NDIS is now being rolled out, despite the Blue Team's obvious loathing of it. And the Productivity Commission says that it will deliver the best value for money of any policy for helping disabled Australians. It will actually save money once it fully replaces the various exisiting State and Federal assistance schemes.

There are plenty of people in the disability sector who think very highly of Bill for his efforts.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Try telling that to the AWU members who would happily take a baseball bat to his kneecaps after he took kickbacks to screw them over.
justapassenger
Simply outrageous, IR deals being done between business and unions. I’m sure your average AWU member could do far better without a union – yeah right! Razz

If Shorten did pocket anything personally then charge him and take it to court.

In the meantime those that decry these ‘shabby’ deals are mostly anti Labor/anti-union hypocrites who have little (if any) interest in protecting let alone improving workers rights or conditions.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Try telling that to the AWU members who would happily take a baseball bat to his kneecaps after he took kickbacks to screw them over.
Simply outrageous, IR deals being done between business and unions. I’m sure your average AWU member could do far better without a union – yeah right! Razz

If Shorten did pocket anything personally then charge him and take it to court.

In the meantime those that decry these ‘shabby’ deals are mostly anti Labor/anti-union hypocrites who have little (if any) interest in protecting let alone improving workers rights or conditions.
Groundrelay
Its not what he did personally, its what he managed on behalf of the union than directly impacted on thousands of workers take home pay. He's probably done more for removing shift allowances than TA intended to try and do.

There are already numerous people being charged over this, what will happen to Bill is yet to be determined.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I get very p1ssed off with politicians who quit mid term like spoilt brats who can't have what they want.
Illness, either personal or family, or any other severe circumstances; OK.  But for Joe to quit because he can't be Treasurer any more is just not good enough. He was elected to represent the people of the North Sydney electorate until the dissolution of Parliament prior to the next election. He is derelict in his duty, and as far as I'm concerned, in breach of his contract.
If he insists on quitting, OK, as long as he personally pays all the costs of the inevitable by-election.
Valvegear
Heard an excellent suggestion today on how by-elections could be virtually eliminated.

If the member quits without good reason (i.e. they die or get seriously ill) then don't bother with a by-election, simply pass the seat onto whoever finished second at the last election.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I get very p1ssed off with politicians who quit mid term like spoilt brats who can't have what they want.
Illness, either personal or family, or any other severe circumstances; OK.  But for Joe to quit because he can't be Treasurer any more is just not good enough. He was elected to represent the people of the North Sydney electorate until the dissolution of Parliament prior to the next election. He is derelict in his duty, and as far as I'm concerned, in breach of his contract.
If he insists on quitting, OK, as long as he personally pays all the costs of the inevitable by-election.
Heard an excellent suggestion today on how by-elections could be virtually eliminated.

If the member quits without good reason (i.e. they die or get seriously ill) then don't bother with a by-election, simply pass the seat onto whoever finished second at the last election.
justapassenger
Yeah, that would work, candidate 1 got 99% of the vote, dies and it is passed to candidate 2 who got 1% of the vote and is a complete a*sehole.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
A better way to eliminate by-elections would be to treat them like senate positions, allow the parties to simply refill the vacancy.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
A better way to eliminate by-elections would be to treat them like senate positions, allow the parties to simply refill the vacancy.
Aaron
Excellent idea. It becomes a problem if the former incumbent was an Independent, but realistically that chance is fairly remote in the lower House.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I get very p1ssed off with politicians who quit mid term like spoilt brats who can't have what they want.
Illness, either personal or family, or any other severe circumstances; OK.  But for Joe to quit because he can't be Treasurer any more is just not good enough. He was elected to represent the people of the North Sydney electorate until the dissolution of Parliament prior to the next election. He is derelict in his duty, and as far as I'm concerned, in breach of his contract.
If he insists on quitting, OK, as long as he personally pays all the costs of the inevitable by-election.
Heard an excellent suggestion today on how by-elections could be virtually eliminated.

If the member quits without good reason (i.e. they die or get seriously ill) then don't bother with a by-election, simply pass the seat onto whoever finished second at the last election.
Yeah, that would work, candidate 1 got 99% of the vote, dies and it is passed to candidate 2 who got 1% of the vote and is a complete a*sehole.
TheBlacksmith
If they die or get seriously ill there would be a by-election, perhaps only if authorised by both houses of parliament. With the wonders of a modern medical system it won't happen that often.

Surrendering the seat to the second-ranked candidate would only happen in the event of the member quitting like Hockey did. The prospect of giving a free kick to another party would force the elected members to stick out their term, and it would be rather rare that this transfer would actually happen - maybe only in the case of a deposed leader giving the party one last massive F U.

Going on the 2013 election, the 99/1 situation would be as good enough as certain to never happen. Only in 53 of the 150 seats did the winner get the 50% needed to win without going to preferences, and in only 12 seats did that vote exceed 60% with a highest result of 65%.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

A better way to eliminate by-elections would be to treat them like senate positions, allow the parties to simply refill the vacancy.
Excellent idea. It becomes a problem if the former incumbent was an Independent, but realistically that chance is fairly remote in the lower House.
Valvegear
Terrible idea - it would incentivise parties getting members to quit so celebrity members can be undemocratically parachuted in.

It could work if there was a requirement for the replacement member to have lived in the division since before the rolls closed for the previous general election.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
A better way to eliminate by-elections would be to treat them like senate positions, allow the parties to simply refill the vacancy.
Excellent idea. It becomes a problem if the former incumbent was an Independent, but realistically that chance is fairly remote in the lower House.
Terrible idea - it would incentivise parties getting members to quit so celebrity members can be undemocratically parachuted in.

It could work if there was a requirement for the replacement member to have lived in the division since before the rolls closed for the previous general election.
justapassenger
Person must be nominated prior to the initial election (just like senate). If this person is not available, then the bi-election is held.

I'm a strong believer that the MP must be from that location and have that as their legal registered address for at least 6mths prior to the election and maintain that during their term.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
If the member quits without good reason (i.e. they die or get seriously ill) then don't bother with a by-election, simply pass the seat onto whoever finished second at the last election.
justapassenger


Can you explain how dying is not a good reason for quitting???
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
If the member quits without good reason (i.e. they die or get seriously ill) then don't bother with a by-election, simply pass the seat onto whoever finished second at the last election.


Can you explain how dying is not a good reason for quitting???
Graham4405
Do they even resign in this case?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
If the member quits without good reason (i.e. they die or get seriously ill) then don't bother with a by-election, simply pass the seat onto whoever finished second at the last election.


Can you explain how dying is not a good reason for quitting???
Graham4405
I would say JAP was using his bracketed reasons as an example of a good reason
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Speculation in the media today that Malcolm's new Cabinet has already decided that we're going to have a 15% GST and that there will be very few exemptions. Interesting if true.

Also interesting that Malcolm swept away Tony's system of honours titles in one swoop - I guess the new broom continues to sweep clean.
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

Speculation in the media today that Malcolm's new Cabinet has already decided that we're going to have a 15% GST and that there will be very few exemptions. Interesting if true.

Also interesting that Malcolm swept away Tony's system of honours titles in one swoop - I guess the new broom continues to sweep clean.
don_dunstan
Any change in GST rate can only be with the agreement of the states, but as one P. Keating noted : "Never stand between a premier and a bucket of money". Still, it would be nice to see the States and Federal Government impose a little financial discipline on themselves before they feel the urge to liberate more of our money from us.


Craig w

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