Austrains sold to SDS models

 
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

info from Austrains website

http://www.austrains.com.au/news.html

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  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
info from Austrains website

http://www.austrains.com.au/news.html
BIG-BEAR

Excellent, hopefully this will lead to some upgrades and re-releases of the older models.  
I'm looking at you C class!
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Interesting that it is only the tooling that has been sold; not the name.

Nonetheless it's good to see that those models can be continued to be upgraded and made.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
You'd expect the Basix range would be the first to be a rework solution. Interesting about the C class, didn't Auscision put up something about doing the ultimate C class, just like the series 1 G?? That may have some influence on an Austrains badged SDS rerun of it.

Anyone care to put up nominations to them for reruns?? Personally i'd like to see another T class run in new numbers, and the later numbered G class both in V/Line.

Regards
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
You'd expect the Basix range would be the first to be a rework solution. Interesting about the C class, didn't Auscision put up something about doing the ultimate C class
davesvline
No "ultimate C" publically announced so far, just a picture of a C with the caption "Do you c what I see?" - refer https://www.facebook.com/136260326407914/photos/pb.136260326407914.-2207520000.1446695719./919438384756767/?type=3&theater
  Albert Chief Commissioner

Should give SDS a big jump on the tooling for the NSW 81 class.
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Should give SDS a big jump on the tooling for the NSW 81 class.
Albert
hmm do you really think so......
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Should give SDS a big jump on the tooling for the NSW 81 class.
hmm do you really think so......
catchpoint
I certainly hope not.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Hmmm i just realised; SDS were producing their own 81 class....

Unless this was all part of the plan and has been arranged for several months now (since the order forms were released)

Well generally the Austrains models are pretty good (just the paint schemes and horns) so with minimal effort to upgrade them they will surely be pretty good.
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
It is interesting to see the retirement of John from his pivotal role in making Australian RTR trains. Whatever you may say about him (I have always found him easy to deal with)  and his business practices, he started the Chinese ball rolling leaving others to follow in his wake.

I think this is a positive move and hopefully SDS can re-release some Austrains models.

Iain
  M636C Minister for Railways

Should give SDS a big jump on the tooling for the NSW 81 class.
hmm do you really think so......
catchpoint
I certainly hope not.
"kingfisher"


The Austrains tooling for the 81 class is excellent.

Sadly, the manufacturer has little control over the factory, and the factory decided to use the wrong version of the tooling for the original version, presumably on the basis that they didn't care whether the models were correct or not.

John paid for multiple versions of the side doors and sections with and without the extra mansard louvres in the tooling and these versions were made and tested. The factory just decided that they'd ignore the instructions on which version to use because it was quicker and cheaper for them to do so.

John was left with a number of models with the wrong livery for the version of the body, which he only found out when they were delivered. He sold them pretty much at his cost.

It remains to be seen if SDS can get that factory to do the right thing with the moulds.

SDS can pay for new paint masks with the colour breaks in the right place, but it will only count if the factory uses the right version of the dies, either the existing Austrains or a completely new set.

If the factory makes an 81 from completely new moulds but puts the 1981 paint scheme on a post 1990 body against the instructions they are given (as they did for Austrains) we are no better off.

M636C
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

The Austrains tooling for the 81 class is excellent.

Sadly, the manufacturer has little control over the factory, and the factory decided to use the wrong version of the tooling for the original version, presumably on the basis that they didn't care whether the models were correct or not.

John paid for multiple versions of the side doors and sections with and without the extra mansard louvres in the tooling and these versions were made and tested. The factory just decided that they'd ignore the instructions on which version to use because it was quicker and cheaper for them to do so.

John was left with a number of models with the wrong livery for the version of the body, which he only found out when they were delivered. He sold them pretty much at his cost.

It remains to be seen if SDS can get that factory to do the right thing with the moulds.

SDS can pay for new paint masks with the colour breaks in the right place, but it will only count if the factory uses the right version of the dies, either the existing Austrains or a completely new set.

If the factory makes an 81 from completely new moulds but puts the 1981 paint scheme on a post 1990 body against the instructions they are given (as they did for Austrains) we are no better off.

M636C
M636C
I agree,

The only complaints with my 81s were the yellow being too high on the Freightcorp version and the horns being a very fragile (and broken on delivery) plastic.

Other then that the details are fine and they perform well.

If SDS corrects this with their version and adds sound then happy days.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Should give SDS a big jump on the tooling for the NSW 81 class.
hmm do you really think so......
I certainly hope not.


"The Austrains tooling for the 81 class is excellent."  
Sadly, the manufacturer has little control over the factory, and the factory decided to use the wrong version of the tooling for the original version, presumably on the basis that they didn't care whether the models were correct or not.

John paid for multiple versions of the side doors and sections with and without the extra mansard louvres in the tooling and these versions were made and tested. The factory just decided that they'd ignore the instructions on which version to use because it was quicker and cheaper for them to do so.

John was left with a number of models with the wrong livery for the version of the body, which he only found out when they were delivered. He sold them pretty much at his cost.

It remains to be seen if SDS can get that factory to do the right thing with the moulds.

SDS can pay for new paint masks with the colour breaks in the right place, but it will only count if the factory uses the right version of the dies, either the existing Austrains or a completely new set.

If the factory makes an 81 from completely new moulds but puts the 1981 paint scheme on a post 1990 body against the instructions they are given (as they did for Austrains) we are no better off.

M636C
M636C
Absolutely!! ((but perhaps it was management of the project that went awry?)

I was told at Hobsons Bay Exhibition this year (By Steven) that the 81 Class had been put on the back burner. He told me that it was mainly because his factory team was sucking up all the new designs and lusting for more, however were just not getting the designs into production, fast enough. He pointed out his version of the GY, which I thought had been cancelled. In fact it was finished and money placed on it. He wanted it in his customers hands. He mentioned several other models. He laid it on the line with the factory, all work to be concentrated on getting finished models into production, before new work started. This was obviously important to him, and the factory started to return to finished projects and concentrate fully on getting them out the door.  Will be nice to get those GY's.

Now I have heard much more positive comments about the Austrains 81 Class than negative. You can bet all the Auscision dribblers will knock anything whilst praising the Gods for their favorite model company. You can see them lined up above this post.

I think Steven is a lot smarter than they are, and his move on Austrains was a very strategic move on factory space and slots. Taking a lot of dies off the market, but still giving him the opportunity to save heaps should the factory be able to modify and fix or just upgrade an existing model.
If it costs half the price to make an improved 81 Class with all the promised liveries, the new DC / DCC sound boards and new lighting, we are all going to be winners.

I am proud of you Steven, you are doing a great job, and thank you for my 80 foot flats. ( I know you built them just for me, because I kept asking for them Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Team Auscision seems to have the wobbles just now.  The price rise on the 43 from the advertised price to 40 bucks dearer appears to have put the cat amongst the pigeons. One of the disciples even doubting the 48s will arrive in 2016.

The price rise kerfuffle reminds me of what I used to tell my customers in Indonesia.  The price is the same, you just have to pay more rupiahs.  If you think in currencies like AUD or IDR then the amount you must shell out for a good or service will be up and down like a yo-yo.  Nah, they go up more than down.  These days there are no stable currencies, so just suck it up.  Prices change.  The good thing about toy trains - you will not starve if you don't buy the things.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Team Auscision seems to have the wobbles just now.  The price rise on the 43 from the advertised price to 40 bucks dearer appears to have put the cat amongst the pigeons. One of the disciples even doubting the 48s will arrive in 2016.

The price rise kerfuffle reminds me of what I used to tell my customers in Indonesia.  The price is the same, you just have to pay more rupiahs.  If you think in currencies like AUD or IDR then the amount you must shell out for a good or service will be up and down like a yo-yo.  Nah, they go up more than down.  These days there are no stable currencies, so just suck it up.  Prices change.  The good thing about toy trains - you will not starve if you don't buy the things.
John_Bushell
If you look at the time it takes most of the importers to go from first tooling samples displayed to final delivery of production models it's not to difficult to understand why a 2016 delivery of the Auscision 48's is optimistic. How long did it take TOR with their 48's and they couldn't even get the shape of the nose at the No.1 end right after all that time. Oh no I'm going to upset Rodney again.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Should give SDS a big jump on the tooling for the NSW 81 class.
Albert
Short answer is it'll be the Austrains chassis but new body tooling by SDS that was already underway.

Longer (and 'official') answer is the reply from SDS at https://www.facebook.com/SdsModels/posts/857818587668717?comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22O%22%7D
  Robh Station Master

The Austrains web page mentions 4 goods/livestock and a couple of steam locomotives.

The 19 class has been announced but the others are a teaser. I wonder if the 20 class will be one of them?
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I have the 2013 Austrains catalogue in front of me, on the back cover it notes the Z20 was due in 2013, newsletters of the period indicated the Z20 was being done and the on again off again Z19 might be done if a good price could be negotiated. The catalogue also notes (and has a picture of a model) that the "VR I wagon with 3 LCL containers" was also expected in 2013.

The SOC wagon should also be amongst the releases as the tooling was noted as completed quite some time ago.
  a6et Minister for Railways

I have the 2013 Austrains catalogue in front of me, on the back cover it notes the Z20 was due in 2013, newsletters of the period indicated the Z20 was being done and the on again off again Z19 might be done if a good price could be negotiated. The catalogue also notes (and has a picture of a model) that the "VR I wagon with 3 LCL containers" was also expected in 2013.

The SOC wagon should also be amongst the releases as the tooling was noted as completed quite some time ago.
"Poath Junction"



Austrins actually canned the 20cl last year owing to too few orders, around 2 months later he re-announced the 19cl along with the 41cl
The question then is the other steam loco the 20cl resurected or another one?

Rumou at Liverpool had a 53cl being done by some other manufacturer other than Eureka.  Who knows in the wild & willy ways of model kingdom, Santa's not far off along with pixies & elves.
  Robh Station Master

I have the 2013 Austrains catalogue in front of me, on the back cover it notes the Z20 was due in 2013, newsletters of the period indicated the Z20 was being done and the on again off again Z19 might be done if a good price could be negotiated. The catalogue also notes (and has a picture of a model) that the "VR I wagon with 3 LCL containers" was also expected in 2013.

The SOC wagon should also be amongst the releases as the tooling was noted as completed quite some time ago.



Austrins actually canned the 20cl last year owing to too few orders, around 2 months later he re-announced the 19cl along with the 41cl
The question then is the other steam loco the 20cl resurected or another one?

Rumou at Liverpool had a 53cl being done by some other manufacturer other than Eureka.  Who knows in the wild & willy ways of model kingdom, Santa's not far off along with pixies & elves.
a6et
Crikey, where is the Race Team when you need them.

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