PN and Hansen in talks about future quarry trains

 
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
Tonight told Hansen are looking for a new operator for their trains.

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Would this be PN's last contracted BG train with the exception of Mildura as they have already killed swan hill and boost ?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
But who would operate it? SSR seems like the logical choice given their BG loco set and willingness to compete for freight. Qube aren't going to touch services that don't go to the docks, so they're out.

Would this be PN's last contracted BG train with the exception of Mildura as they have already killed swan hill and boost ?
freightgate
  1. PacNat runs the Warrnambool Goods in addition to the Mildura 'Fruity'.
  2. The town is called Boort, not 'boost'.
  NOELWB Locomotive Driver

Killed the Swan Hill?
It's a very long time since any freight other than grain graced the the Swan Hill line tracks, however given the amount of fruit and vegies that come out of the area by truck I am surprised that a daily fruit and vegie train doesn't come out of Swan Hill. It's a lot closer to Melbourne than Mildura and the track is in a lot better condition.
  ed31880 Train Controller

Might be an opening for transvolution to break into the market?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Might be an opening for transvolution to break into the market?
ed31880

Can't these guys develop their own market?

PN cancelled the:

Wodonga
Bairnsdale
Swan Hill
Portland
Boort
Ballarat
Bridgewater

Lost:

Oil contracts
Intermodal
Logs
Fast Track (Mildura, Swan Hill, Portland?, Echuca, bairnsdale) and other locations. A profitable business which drove volumes.

Swan Hill Goods



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1535akeAhAQ



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmpwx11ur1A
  1771D Junior Train Controller

Not to mention PN's brilliant performance in Tassie.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Just watched the Swan Hill goods video.   It had 4 louvre vans attached to a grain train.   If that was a usual Swan Hill goods, no wonder it was cancelled.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Just watched the Swan Hill goods video.   It had 4 louvre vans attached to a grain train.   If that was a usual Swan Hill goods, no wonder it was cancelled.
Donald

Look at a few more.  There were often up to 8-10 louve vans and oil and intermodal and grain. usual working was 40 wagons per day.  Victoria is starting to look a lot like tassie was after PN torched it.

If Blue Scope Wollongong goes where will that leave PN?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

If Blue Scope Wollongong goes where will that leave PN?
x31
Here's a link to Asciano's 2015 annual report. Have a read through and you might learn something Razz

http://asciano2015.reportonline.com.au/annual-report-2015
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW

If Blue Scope Wollongong goes where will that leave PN?Here's a link to Asciano's 2015 annual report. Have a read through and you might learn something Razz

http://asciano2015.reportonline.com.au/annual-report-2015
bingley hall
Its a big ish report - might be useful if you give a few pointers at what your points are.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey

If Blue Scope Wollongong goes where will that leave PN?Here's a link to Asciano's 2015 annual report. Have a read through and you might learn something Razz

http://asciano2015.reportonline.com.au/annual-report-2015Its a big ish report - might be useful if you give a few pointers at what your points are.
james.au

Shows PN's intermodal business shrinking. Intermodal down and steel down by 1.6%

  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Might be an opening for transvolution to break into the market?

Can't these guys develop their own market?

  1. PN cancelled the:
    Bairnsdale
  2. Lost:
    Logs
x31
  1. Was that even still around by the time PN took over?????
  2. They didn't loose it by choice either. A certain event called "Black Saturday" killed the traffic at the time and the company at the moment doesn't want to go back to rail haulage by ANYONE. Even SSR tried.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Intermodal is down because most of regional Australia and the three resource capitals (Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth) have been in (or near to) recession for the last twelve months. Big regional cities like Cairns, Townsville and Mackay, each producing daily PN freights, have experienced falling economic growth during 2013, 2014 and 2015, and that's going to reflect on PN's (and Aurizon's) intermodal figures. The good news is there's some renewed confidence in the regions at the moment and some signs of decent growth appearing in 2016 as everyone gets over the lag of the mining boom...so I'd be expecting to see PN's intermodal figures improve next year. Steel is a whole other problem...without a car industry after 2017 there's probably not going to be much need to run train loads of coiled steel to Melbourne anymore...no matter who wants to haul it.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Steel is a whole other problem...without a car industry after 2017 there's probably not going to be much need to run train loads of coiled steel to Melbourne anymore...no matter who wants to haul it.
Sulla1

I tend to agree the future for steel in this country looks more uncertain. When the car industry does close demand will obviously drop off but where does this leave the steel plants which service the industry?  Port Kembla as stated is looking shaky and might Long Island be in a little bit of strife?

Will we need all the steel making capacity when the demand falls?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I tend to agree the future for steel in this country looks more uncertain. When the car industry does close demand will obviously drop off but where does this leave the steel plants which service the industry?  Port Kembla as stated is looking shaky and might Long Island be in a little bit of strife?

Will we need all the steel making capacity when the demand falls?
bevans
I would have thought that demand for steel will be driven by the construction industry over the next decade. With mining slowing down construction is being touted as the industry designate to soak up all those jobs which are being lost in mining, particularly mining construction.

Local car production has been in terminal decline for years now, Toyota are doing OK in Vic but Ford isn't doing much at all. Roofing, Fencing and Shed building companies will be the market for steel product I believe as they are currently growth areas being targeted by Governments through the construction boom.

BG
  NOELWB Locomotive Driver

With upwards of 100k  jobs directly or indirectly at risk due to the Holden, Ford and Toyota closures over the next two years, I would be very keen to find out where this construction boom is coming from and what exactly will be constructed.
Personally I think the Victorian and South Australian economies will be dramatically impacted and this will have serious flow on effects right across the whole Australian economy.
I hope I am wrong.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
But who would operate it? SSR seems like the logical choice given their BG loco set and willingness to compete for freight. Qube aren't going to touch services that don't go to the docks, so they're out.

Would this be PN's last contracted BG train with the exception of Mildura as they have already killed swan hill and boost ?
  1. PacNat runs the Warrnambool Goods in addition to the Mildura 'Fruity'.
  2. The town is called Boort, not 'boost'.
LancedDendrite
Don't forget the Tocumwal Freight.

Is PN still operating the quarry freight for now? If they are winding up will this go to road? 2 trains a day is a lot to needlessly be added to the road network.
  ModelRailwayMadness Station Staff

waynesTonight told Hansen are looking for a new operator for their trains.

GML10 heading west from Melbourne to Whyalla to pick up ore hoppers for QUBE's takeover of the Kilmore East Hanson quarry train from January 10th 2016.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
So will this be the scrapping of the current  wagons then ?

Regards,
David Head
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
So will this be the scrapping of the current  wagons then ?

Regards,
David Head
dthead
Probably. Considering they've had a 40 odd year run, which is quite good for a hopper wagon.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
There is 30.000 tonnes of cement from Geelong to Mildura per annum which could be expanded is PN likely to screw that contract up also ?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
I stand corrected then. Bit of a change for Qube to go into purely domestic haulage.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
waynesTonight told Hansen are looking for a new operator for their trains.

GML10 heading west from Melbourne to Whyalla to pick up ore hoppers for QUBE's takeover of the Kilmore East Hanson quarry train from January 10th 2016.
ModelRailwayMadness
That would be a quick gauge conversion.  
Any links or more info on this?  What available locomotives are there on BG to haul this consist?  Back to SRHC again?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
waynesTonight told Hansen are looking for a new operator for their trains.

GML10 heading west from Melbourne to Whyalla to pick up ore hoppers for QUBE's takeover of the Kilmore East Hanson quarry train from January 10th 2016.
That would be a quick gauge conversion.  
Any links or more info on this?  What available locomotives are there on BG to haul this consist?  Back to SRHC again?
QSB6.7
Many options for motive power on this. Convert more VL's or G's from CFCLA, convert GML10 may be do-able. SSR have some BG loco's doing nothing in bendigo at present. Already mention SRHC. a C back on BG perhaps?

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