Craigieburn line quarry (?) trains

 
  Zoqaeski Junior Train Controller

Location: lost again
Lately (as in a few times a week) I've been seeing frequent freight trains going past my local station of Ascot Vale. They usually consist of a G hauling a rake of about 20 open hoppers that definitely aren't grain hoppers (maybe coal or stone?), with the loaded trains heading Up usually late at night (after 11 PM) and empties returning in the morning, sometime between 9 AM and midday.

Does anyone know what these trains are for, and what times they run, or better yet, have a copy of the working timetable? It's pretty rare to see any broad-gauge goods trains except for the Long Island steel ones and the occasional Gippsland freight (when the Kensington mill isn't operating), so I'd like to go out and photograph them while they're out and about. I have a feeling they might be quarry trains supplying ballast or something for the level crossing works, but I don't know for sure.

While I'm on the subject of metropolitan goods, does anyone know when the Kensington grain/flour train operates and which route it takes?

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Possibly the Kilmore East blue metal train. I have seen it empty on the down via Essendon recently but never the loaded train on the up via Essendon.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Possibly the Kilmore East blue metal train. I have seen it empty on the down via Essendon recently but never the loaded train on the up via Essendon.
YM-Mundrabilla

Is this the Hansen train?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Dunno what it is called today. Is Hansen what used to be Boral yesterday?
(If you cannot fix it change its name and if that doesn't work paint it another colour).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Dunno what it is called today. Is Hansen what used to be Boral yesterday?
(If you cannot fix it change its name and if that doesn't work paint it another colour).
YM-Mundrabilla

If it is and it sounds like it is this train also runs via the Albion Goods line as it has been captured on the Albion Cameras.  G543 is the usual motive power.
  Zoqaeski Junior Train Controller

Location: lost again
Dunno what it is called today. Is Hansen what used to be Boral yesterday?
(If you cannot fix it change its name and if that doesn't work paint it another colour).

If it is and it sounds like it is this train also runs via the Albion Goods line as it has been captured on the Albion Cameras.  G543 is the usual motive power.
bevans
I didn't see what the motive power was last time I saw it on Wednesday, other than it was a G in Pacific National blue and yellow. The wagons were all VHQF stock.

I've been living near the railway line for about 18 months and I've never seen so many freight trains along it until now. You can hear them descending the grade for a good 10–15 mins on a clear night, and similarly during the day they're working hard climbing up from Kensington.
  Riv1smith Beginner

G527 has been the power on it recently. Albion hasn't picked it up this morning, so I assume it's ran up the suburban line to Kilmore East
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
G527 has been the power on it recently. Albion hasn't picked it up this morning, so I assume it's ran up the suburban line to Kilmore East
Riv1smith

Thanks for the update as it was recorded via Bunbury Street yesterday at 17:23 with G527 on the lead.

https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/bunbury-street/photo/23208869722
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The Kilmore East quarry train is scheduled to run via Albion Goods line  bg in one direction and via Essendon in the other.

Ditto with Deniliquin Rice train, in one direction it runs via  Bendigo and in the other via Toolamba .
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Kilmore East quarry train is scheduled to run via Albion Goods line  bg in one direction and via Essendon in the other.

Ditto with Deniliquin Rice train, in one direction it runs via  Bendigo and in the other via Toolamba .
kuldalai

Interestingly it often runs via Albion in both directions being down circia 10-10:30 and back around 15:00 or so.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The Kilmore East quarry train is scheduled to run via Albion Goods line  bg in one direction and via Essendon in the other.

Ditto with Deniliquin Rice train, in one direction it runs via  Bendigo and in the other via Toolamba .
kuldalai
Assume it is via Essendon on the down and Albion on the up.
Would be good practice for the troops to work it via Essendon on the air brake alone (haha).
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
OK, a few things, the train in question is the Hansen Quarry train, previously known as the Apex Quarry train. Hansen are unrelated to Boral.

The train runs twice daily to Kilmore East, where it is loaded with crushed rock.

The first train departs Kilmore East in the Early afternoon and runs via Albion to Hansen's Brooklyn facility, usually arriving at Brooklyn at about 1600, but sometimes earlier, sometimes later.

After being unloaded at Brooklyn, it returns empty to Kilmore East (again via Albion) usually arriving at Kilmore East at around 2130 from memory, here it is loaded again.

The next journey is dictated by demand, it will either return to Brooklyn as above, or it will run to Westall, making the journey from Kilmore East to Westall in the dead of night via Essendon where it will park up for the night, before being unloaded in the morning, and then returning to Kilmore East in the mid to late morning, running via Essendon.

It is unrelated to level crossing works, and does not carry railway ballast (this is collected from the Boral quarry in Deer Park, using the old siding next to the new Caroline Springs station currently under construction).

There is also talk in another thread that PN may be loosing this contract which could shake things up a bit.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
OK, a few things, the train in question is the Hansen Quarry train, previously known as the Apex Quarry train. Hansen are unrelated to Boral.

The train runs twice daily to Kilmore East, where it is loaded with crushed rock.

The first train departs Kilmore East in the Early afternoon and runs via Albion to Hansen's Brooklyn facility, usually arriving at Brooklyn at about 1600, but sometimes earlier, sometimes later.

After being unloaded at Brooklyn, it returns empty to Kilmore East (again via Albion) usually arriving at Kilmore East at around 2130 from memory, here it is loaded again.

The next journey is dictated by demand, it will either return to Brooklyn as above, or it will run to Westall, making the journey from Kilmore East to Westall in the dead of night via Essendon where it will park up for the night, before being unloaded in the morning, and then returning to Kilmore East in the mid to late morning, running via Essendon.

It is unrelated to level crossing works, and does not carry railway ballast (this is collected from the Boral quarry in Deer Park, using the old siding next to the new Caroline Springs station currently under construction).

There is also talk in another thread that PN may be loosing this contract which could shake things up a bit.
Gman_86
Thanks Gman.
Seems I got Boral and Apex ballsed up.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

OK, a few things, the train in question is the Hansen Quarry train, previously known as the Apex Quarry train. Hansen are unrelated to Boral.

The train runs twice daily to Kilmore East, where it is loaded with crushed rock.

The first train departs Kilmore East in the Early afternoon and runs via Albion to Hansen's Brooklyn facility, usually arriving at Brooklyn at about 1600, but sometimes earlier, sometimes later.

After being unloaded at Brooklyn, it returns empty to Kilmore East (again via Albion) usually arriving at Kilmore East at around 2130 from memory, here it is loaded again.

The next journey is dictated by demand, it will either return to Brooklyn as above, or it will run to Westall, making the journey from Kilmore East to Westall in the dead of night via Essendon where it will park up for the night, before being unloaded in the morning, and then returning to Kilmore East in the mid to late morning, running via Essendon.

It is unrelated to level crossing works, and does not carry railway ballast (this is collected from the Boral quarry in Deer Park, using the old siding next to the new Caroline Springs station currently under construction).

There is also talk in another thread that PN may be loosing this contract which could shake things up a bit.
Gman_86

Pretty much on the money with all this details as when we we're completing the Kilmore East reconstruction package of works we had the Apex (Hansen) Quarry Train running through practically almost every night... Like you said also, would either go to Westall or Brooklyn but it carries a finer rock called Quarter Minus and also a dust product..

I didn't think Boral used any rail movement to move materials around?
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I've been living near the railway line for about 18 months and I've never seen so many freight trains along it until now. You can hear them descending the grade for a good 10–15 mins on a clear night, and similarly during the day they're working hard climbing up from Kensington.
Zoqaesk
The Kensington grain trains run on a twice weekly basis.

They do shunt and do a runaround at Kensington and after that they leave at approx 2PM on a Thursday afternoon.

That's what used to happen last year but the timetable seems to change on a yearly basis.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
G527 on the Hansen Quarry train today from Kilmore East to Brooklyn.

https://Railpage.com.au/railcams/albion2/photo/23045658059
  Zoqaeski Junior Train Controller

Location: lost again
OK, a few things, the train in question is the Hansen Quarry train, previously known as the Apex Quarry train. Hansen are unrelated to Boral.

The train runs twice daily to Kilmore East, where it is loaded with crushed rock.

The first train departs Kilmore East in the Early afternoon and runs via Albion to Hansen's Brooklyn facility, usually arriving at Brooklyn at about 1600, but sometimes earlier, sometimes later.

After being unloaded at Brooklyn, it returns empty to Kilmore East (again via Albion) usually arriving at Kilmore East at around 2130 from memory, here it is loaded again.

The next journey is dictated by demand, it will either return to Brooklyn as above, or it will run to Westall, making the journey from Kilmore East to Westall in the dead of night via Essendon where it will park up for the night, before being unloaded in the morning, and then returning to Kilmore East in the mid to late morning, running via Essendon.

It is unrelated to level crossing works, and does not carry railway ballast (this is collected from the Boral quarry in Deer Park, using the old siding next to the new Caroline Springs station currently under construction).

There is also talk in another thread that PN may be loosing this contract which could shake things up a bit.
Gman_86
Ah cool. So the loaded runs I've seen late at night would be bound for Westall (Why send it all the way out there? Surely they could park it somewhere closer, like Tottenham?), and the empty runs must come from Brooklyn. I've seen or heard it in both directions most days for the last month or so, but if it's scheduled to run via Albion for the majority of trips, why would they send it via Essendon except to be parked at Westall? Kilmore–Brooklyn via Essendon would require reversing somewhere near North Melbourne in both directions, which I assume would be quite time-consuming because they'd have to not only switch ends but do the brakes test as well. I'm not familiar with the Victorian rulebook, but IIRC the NSW one requires a brakes test to be done each time the consist is changed (whether it's adding and removing a locomotive or shunting).
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
OK, a few things, the train in question is the Hansen Quarry train, previously known as the Apex Quarry train. Hansen are unrelated to Boral.

The train runs twice daily to Kilmore East, where it is loaded with crushed rock.

The first train departs Kilmore East in the Early afternoon and runs via Albion to Hansen's Brooklyn facility, usually arriving at Brooklyn at about 1600, but sometimes earlier, sometimes later.

After being unloaded at Brooklyn, it returns empty to Kilmore East (again via Albion) usually arriving at Kilmore East at around 2130 from memory, here it is loaded again.

The next journey is dictated by demand, it will either return to Brooklyn as above, or it will run to Westall, making the journey from Kilmore East to Westall in the dead of night via Essendon where it will park up for the night, before being unloaded in the morning, and then returning to Kilmore East in the mid to late morning, running via Essendon.

It is unrelated to level crossing works, and does not carry railway ballast (this is collected from the Boral quarry in Deer Park, using the old siding next to the new Caroline Springs station currently under construction).

There is also talk in another thread that PN may be loosing this contract which could shake things up a bit.
Ah cool. So the loaded runs I've seen late at night would be bound for Westall (Why send it all the way out there? Surely they could park it somewhere closer, like Tottenham?), and the empty runs must come from Brooklyn. I've seen or heard it in both directions most days for the last month or so, but if it's scheduled to run via Albion for the majority of trips, why would they send it via Essendon except to be parked at Westall? Kilmore–Brooklyn via Essendon would require reversing somewhere near North Melbourne in both directions, which I assume would be quite time-consuming because they'd have to not only switch ends but do the brakes test as well. I'm not familiar with the Victorian rulebook, but IIRC the NSW one requires a brakes test to be done each time the consist is changed (whether it's adding and removing a locomotive or shunting).
Zoqaeski
I assume that the trains that run via Essendon are only the Westall services and that the Brooklyns run via Albion.
In the case of a runaround you will require a retention test on both ends of the consist plus the usual continuity test.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
How many tonnes per year are we talking on this train?  How much to Brooklyn and how much to Westall?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Change of Motive power seen through Albion today.  BL32 now on point in very fresh colours.

https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/albion2/photo/23280323040
  ModelRailwayMadness Station Staff

Good records then as the train is going to Qube from January 10th.
  Beta4Me Locomotive Driver

How many tonnes per year are we talking on this train?  How much to Brooklyn and how much to Westall?
james.au
Usually between 300Kt and 400Kt p.a. with about 2/3 to Brooklyn and 1/3 to Westall.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
So the loaded runs I've seen late at night would be bound for Westall. Why send it all the way out there? Surely they could park it somewhere closer, like Tottenham?
Zoqaeski
Because Hansen have a facility in Westall, they don't have a facility in Tottenham.
  Zoqaeski Junior Train Controller

Location: lost again
So the loaded runs I've seen late at night would be bound for Westall. Why send it all the way out there? Surely they could park it somewhere closer, like Tottenham?
Because Hansen have a facility in Westall, they don't have a facility in Tottenham.
Gman_86
Oh. Well that makes sense then; I wasn't aware of that.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

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This link is for all of the freight schedules. Check out the Goulburn Valley Up and Down schedules. I know that there is a down APEX train that runs on the mainline that passes Broadmeadows usually between 11 AM and 12 PM on its running days.

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