Eureka Blog Update

 
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
A quote from AMRM February 2016 AMRM News:
"Eureka's management were optimistic that all 'lost' tooling would be recovered and moved to Eureka's current factory just after we went to print, allowing the 2016 program to be 'set in stone'."

Since AMRM has gone to print some time back, and in fact is in the readers' hands, does anyone know of good news regarding my couple of 40 class locomotives?  Along with other peoples' models on order of course.

Love to hear any news that is around the traps.  I have already checked the Eureka web site and blog spot - nothing there.
John_Bushell
JB,

I have generally found Eureka's management team to be far too optimistic.  Don't hold your breath too long!

Maybe the (sand) "stone" will be soaked in water/diluted HCl and become a soggy pile of sand grains.

Happy dreaming,

John

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  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
I thought that the AMRM was far too confusing: old factory; new old factory; new factory and in reality little news. I was hoping to see that there was progress in particular on the E and S wagons but no. My suspicion is that some of these projects have so little commercial support that they are not progressing for that reason. Other manufacturers have Chinese delays but Eureka seems to take it to a whole new level.

Their promises to  communicate with us - their customers is also a joke - it surely cannot be that hard to update a webpage or a blog.

Iain
  LiverpoolRange Locomotive Fireman

Location: Port Macquarie NSW
Totally agree with you there Iain.

I sent a few emails over the last few months enquiring about where the DEB sets are up to and am yet to receive a reply.

His communication certainly is very poor.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
A quote from AMRM February 2016 AMRM News:
"Eureka's management were optimistic that all 'lost' tooling would be recovered and moved to Eureka's current factory just after we went to print, allowing the 2016 program to be 'set in stone'."

Since AMRM has gone to print some time back, and in fact is in the readers' hands, does anyone know of good news regarding my couple of 40 class locomotives?  Along with other peoples' models on order of course.

Love to hear any news that is around the traps.  I have already checked the Eureka web site and blog spot - nothing there.
John_Bushell
John,
I guess I am too lazy to go back through all the "press releases" but I seem to remember the 40 Class was moved many times from the same factory to the new one. and arrangements to put it into production several times.

I also note that Powerline were going to re-run their S Cars but the old dies were so damaged by contamination that they had to build a complete new set.

I also remember one gentleman who visited China to see what the asset value of the dies he was being offered was at Sanda Kan. He did not go ahead with the deal because the dies were incomplete (Not Eureka but same factory) It was said that when the Yanks and Europeans took all their stuff when Sanda Kan reduced their customers, bits were lost creating the need to replace many parts to run the models. Hardly worth the effort for this buyer. He was capable of starting new better dies himself. The deal was to get the usable dies cheaply, not spend money on them.
It appears that Eureka are not saying much at all. And yet new product is still dribbling through?
The kind thing for Eureka's customers might be to cancel the order and refund the deposits and full payments. This would have the knock on effect of having the model built by another manufacturer?   Maybe Auscision can make a $220  one off 40 Class deal Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Totally agree with you there Iain.

I sent a few emails over the last few months enquiring about where the DEB sets are up to and am yet to receive a reply.

His communication certainly is very poor.
LiverpoolRange
I have only inquired once with Ron, regarding the 59 Class in October last year.

Again the exchange was only a few emails, but he was quite quick with the responses and very helpful as well.
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Totally agree with you there Iain.

I sent a few emails over the last few months enquiring about where the DEB sets are up to and am yet to receive a reply.

His communication certainly is very poor.
I have only inquired once with Ron, regarding the 59 Class in October last year.

Again the exchange was only a few emails, but he was quite quick with the responses and very helpful as well.
meh
I, too, have emailed Ron (generally with orders, changes to orders, or about current stock) over the past five years and he's generally responded the next day (occasionally a few days). I've found him to be quite reasonable and helpful.

@LiverpoolRange - have you tried calling him? I know from experience that emails can get lost or aren't always seen (in one case I received a response to a job enquiry a full year after I sent the email!), even from people who are usually prompt in managing them. If your email client supports it, you may wish to consider a "read receipt" to check to see if he's getting your emails.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

The sad part about the 40 Class saga is that the painted samples that I first saw at an exhibition that seems like years ago now looked superb.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
It's worth noting that Ron was down in Geelong at the exhibition last week.  He might not have had a chance to get to his emails during that trip.
  VR_King Junior Train Controller

I thought that the AMRM was far too confusing: old factory; new old factory; new factory and in reality little news. I was hoping to see that there was progress in particular on the E and S wagons but no. My suspicion is that some of these projects have so little commercial support that they are not progressing for that reason. Other manufacturers have Chinese delays but Eureka seems to take it to a whole new level.

Their promises to  communicate with us - their customers is also a joke - it surely cannot be that hard to update a webpage or a blog.

Iain
Iain
Excellent points
  VR_King Junior Train Controller

I thought that the AMRM was far too confusing: old factory; new old factory; new factory and in reality little news. I was hoping to see that there was progress in particular on the E and S wagons but no. My suspicion is that some of these projects have so little commercial support that they are not progressing for that reason. Other manufacturers have Chinese delays but Eureka seems to take it to a whole new level.

Their promises to  communicate with us - their customers is also a joke - it surely cannot be that hard to update a webpage or a blog.

Iain
Iain
It seems its just accepted that this sort of practice is ok in the model railway industry.

Imagine if he was producing cars for example.

He would be on the front page of the herald sun and on a current affair.
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
It's worth noting that Ron was down in Geelong at the exhibition last week.  He might not have had a chance to get to his emails during that trip.
lkernan
Did he talk to anyone?  Often where we pick up news is what he says at exhibitions.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
It's worth noting that Ron was down in Geelong at the exhibition last week.  He might not have had a chance to get to his emails during that trip.
Did he talk to anyone?  Often where we pick up news is what he says at exhibitions.
John_Bushell

I'm sure he did, but I didn't have reason to speak to him personally.
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
Actually I have talked to Ron a number of times but found I was getting answers that turned out not to be true. In once case I was asking about my CHP order and was told one thing and about half and hour later a friend asked the same question and got a different answer about time and delivery.

I have sort of given up.
  M636C Minister for Railways

The sad part about the 40 Class saga is that the painted samples that I first saw at an exhibition that seems like years ago now looked superb.
"kingfisher"


I'd be a customer for 40 class, but I don't understand what has happened. The green painted sample that has been around for years has the original offset longitudinal stack that goes with the GE air cooled turbocharger. However, the current list of models in the first run does not include that version in any colour. The blue locomotives are only listed with transverse stacks which they may have had at some time but certainly did not have in 1954 on the Royal Train. I don't think I've ever seen a photo of a blue loco with a transverse stack.

The most likely reason for this is that the specific tooling for this original version was lost or damaged in the change of factories. But it seems that the reason, if any, won't be revealed...

M636C
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC
Blog update:

With delivery of the NCR sets now completed the attention of the factory has turned to the 40 class. Production of the 40 class has been dependent upon retrieval of the tooling from our old factory. This has now been finalised and the production process is finally getting underway. The first step is to test the tooling to ensure that all is well with the tooling and that all tools are in fact present. As with most factories, our production house sub-contracts out tooling to a specialist tooling shop. This is not an issue with the 40 class as the tooling has already been completed. It is interesting to note that in all of the 20 projects for which tooling has been completed for Eureka projects the tooling was contracted out to outside tooling shops in all 20 projects. The second major step in a project is to use the tooling to squirt the parts that go to make up the model. Again, all but the largest of production houses sub-contract out the squirting process to outside injection houses. Eureka's 40 class tooling will go to its injection facility where the tooling will first be tested. These tests will be done on a low pressure injection machine and the test pieces will be used to produce running samples by our assembly house. Our assembly house has extensive spray painting and pad printing facilities which are used to prepare the injected pieces for assembly along with such basic items such as a mechanism into finished samples. Our assembly house estimates that we should have running samples within eight weeks. We know that there are no problems with the tooling from our previous samples and so there are no delays expected in the process. Our assembly facility anticipates moving straight to final production and predicts delivery within sixteen to twenty weeks. It would be nice to have the 40 class in time for the Liverpool exhibition in October. Watch this space for reports on significant stages in the assembly process.
Eureka


We live in hope
  a6et Minister for Railways

Blog update:

With delivery of the NCR sets now completed the attention of the factory has turned to the 40 class. Production of the 40 class has been dependent upon retrieval of the tooling from our old factory. This has now been finalised and the production process is finally getting underway. The first step is to test the tooling to ensure that all is well with the tooling and that all tools are in fact present. As with most factories, our production house sub-contracts out tooling to a specialist tooling shop. This is not an issue with the 40 class as the tooling has already been completed. It is interesting to note that in all of the 20 projects for which tooling has been completed for Eureka projects the tooling was contracted out to outside tooling shops in all 20 projects. The second major step in a project is to use the tooling to squirt the parts that go to make up the model. Again, all but the largest of production houses sub-contract out the squirting process to outside injection houses. Eureka's 40 class tooling will go to its injection facility where the tooling will first be tested. These tests will be done on a low pressure injection machine and the test pieces will be used to produce running samples by our assembly house. Our assembly house has extensive spray painting and pad printing facilities which are used to prepare the injected pieces for assembly along with such basic items such as a mechanism into finished samples. Our assembly house estimates that we should have running samples within eight weeks. We know that there are no problems with the tooling from our previous samples and so there are no delays expected in the process. Our assembly facility anticipates moving straight to final production and predicts delivery within sixteen to twenty weeks. It would be nice to have the 40 class in time for the Liverpool exhibition in October. Watch this space for reports on significant stages in the assembly process.


We live in hope
Factory_Fill
Still would not hold my breath, 7 years after the announced advise for the factory to begin production.
  M636C Minister for Railways

I still don't understand the rationale for the Blue 40 Class....

With a transverse stack but with radiator louvres, the model doesn't represent either the blue locomotives at the time they operated the Royal Train (which I'm old enough to remember, although I only actually saw 4001 in blue at the September 1955 exhibition) nor does it represent 4001 as now preserved.

I did see 4002 in blue in multiple with a green 40 class at Hawkesbury River about that time (maybe 1956) but I can't remember whether the stack was lonitudinal or transverse and whether it had radiator louvres....

And the frequently illustrated model of 4009 in green with a longitudinal stack is no longer offered.

Clearly what is being offered now is not what was originally planned.

M636C
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Fellow green dieselers,

Finally some positive news about the Eureka 40 Class.  After many years of inaction the tooling has finally been liberated from the old factory.

Now for the bad news.........

I can envision in a couple of months that advice will be issued that the existing chassis is unsuitable for the electric motors available at the new factory and a new chassis will have to be tooled.

Don't hold you breath, you may asphyxiate.

Happy tooling,

John
  NSWGRules Locomotive Fireman

The Eureka Blog states.... "It would be nice to have the 40 class in time for the Liverpool exhibition in October."  I notice a year isn't stated though.

I say "It would HAVE BEEN nice to have the 40 class in time for the Liverpool exhibition in October 2009!!!".
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
The Eureka Blog states.... "It would be nice to have the 40 class in time for the Liverpool exhibition in October."  I notice a year isn't stated though.

I say "It would HAVE BEEN nice to have the 40 class in time for the Liverpool exhibition in October 2009!!!".
NSWGRules
Yes, that was the plan at that time (in 2009!).

Maybe this year it will happen (maybe not!).

Happy expectations,

John
  Dazz Deputy Commissioner

Not a great picture but this is either 4001 or 4002 in blue with I think a transverse exhaust stack.
  ianadunn Locomotive Fireman

Not a great picture but this is either 4001 or 4002 in blue with I think a transverse exhaust stack.
Dazz
Yes, as it ran from the time of stack modification (1954?) until repainting to red in 1960 (4002) or 1961 (4001). Sitting in an obviously new Delec, so that dates the pic to about 1957 and the loco still has shutters.
  4432 Beginner

I would be interested in how many people out there have either paid a deposit or have paid the full amount for the mysterious Eureka 59 class. I paid a deposit for my son several years ago and still nothing from Ron Cunningham. I consider that this locomotive might be a scam as it is always being put after something else.
If Ron is really running a reputable company he would be in touch and give up dates to the people who's money he has held for several years probably to fund other projects. Alternately if this project is too big for him he should immediately refund the money. Come on Ron, give us an update, I think you owe it to your customers.
Completely dissatisfied, 4432.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Yes, as it ran from the time of stack modification (1954?) until repainting to red in 1960 (4002) or 1961 (4001). Sitting in an obviously new Delec, so that dates the pic to about 1957 and the loco still has shutters.
ianadunn

I don't think any 40 class would have been modified with a water cooled turbocharger as early as 1954.

The Southern Pacific was still taking delivery of new Alco locomotives with GE air cooled turbochargers in November 1953, and you might expect such an important modification to be applied to new locomotives first, simply for logistics reasons.

The SP purchased their first Alco locomotives with a water cooled turbocharger in April 1955, so I would expect that the 40 class would have been first modified in late 1955 or early 1956.

My recollection is that Delec still looked pretty new as late as 1962 when I first visited....

I was not ever suggesting that the 40 class didn't operate with transverse stacks and radiator shutters, just that when they worked the Royal Train, they still had longitudinal stacks, and did so for some time thereafter. It would seem to me that the most popular versions would be the Royal Train version and the current incarnation of 4001 as preserved, and neither of these is being offered. Equally the removal of the longitudinal stack green version from the list of available models is disappointing.

M636C
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I would be interested in how many people out there have either paid a deposit or have paid the full amount for the mysterious Eureka 59 class. I paid a deposit for my son several years ago and still nothing from Ron Cunningham. I consider that this locomotive might be a scam as it is always being put after something else.
If Ron is really running a reputable company he would be in touch and give up dates to the people who's money he has held for several years probably to fund other projects. Alternately if this project is too big for him he should immediately refund the money. Come on Ron, give us an update, I think you owe it to your customers.
Completely dissatisfied, 4432.
4432


If you want your deposit back you simply need to ask for it from Eureka not Railpage members!

In the meantime you can pretend you didn't see this bit of CAD artwork.

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