Shrike Models

 
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

This type of thread makes me laugh. Does anyone out there think that ANY manufacturer wants delays? They invest considerable sums of money and risk currency fluctuations, lies from manufacturers, natural disasters, changes of government policy and countless irritating things like misinterpretation of colours etc. And all they get from customers is whinge , whinge , whinge from little tinpot Nazis who insist that they get their model today. These little children have nothing to lose and nothing to gain by rushing the delivery except that they will complain if something is wrong.
 Take a step back from the situation and ask what have you lost by a delay? Take a step back and ask what the importers like Geoff have lost in a situation like this? I would suggest that since the start of this project the Aussie dollar has dropped from 1.05 to almost 70 cents. Geoff is not increasing prices. Have the Chinese increased theirs? How many design features have the Chinese changed without authorization from the design team?
So to all the tinpot nazis out there. Give Geoff and most of the others a break. Do not drive them towards Post Traumatic Stress disorder so that your dysfunctional little empire can have a new toy to play with. Will the world really stop spinning? Will you still put your feet on the ground tomorrow morning? And do not say the old furphy that the company is making a fortune from interest gained, that is just manure. If you do not want to tie up your money then do not prepay for models, but you also risk not getting the model of your dreams because of the risky nature of set production runs.


If you think you can do better, then go do it !!!!!

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  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
So do they have a believable E.T.A. yet?
This year, but I would say more believable than some competitors
a6et
And on what basis do you assume this?
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

http://www.shrike-models.com/ updated today, C30T might arrive before years end.

Beginning to sound like a 'Eureka Moment'...

Paul
Blah Blah... Wink  Not even close. Eureka have had ..what? 12 years to practice their business tactics. Shrike are learning it all with one model. Imagine for yourself if you would have the guts to invest many several thousands of dollars in a venture to produce a product in another Country that speaks a different language, has absolutely foreign (to us) moral values, and have the audacity to thjink you will get it right? I don' think one in 20,000 of us could do what Geoff has done. The model is fully paid for, the work is pretty damn good, and the holdup is all to do with the Chinese.
I guess I think you would have to be a dill to take on what Geoff has, and expect it to work without some hick ups. Rather than put Shrike down, I say that they have done  pretty well, and only one Company out there ,possibly, has started off on a small budget, and come this far along. It seems to me that by March everything will be history, the C30T will be receiving great reviews and Shrike will be much better able to put the C30T behind them and concentrate all their efforts on the RX and the VR engine. I used to be a tradition to give people a fair go. That is what old Australians believe in, anyway Very Happy
Go for it Shrike, your doing a great job, considering everything else.  
Rod Young
comtrain
Rod, I think you need to take a step back and also make clear your associations with Geoff. You were the mouthpiece for some of the early info, here is some of your words from April 2014:

=====================================================================

"The 30T is injection molded with die cast chassis !! Its almost here and release is hoped sooner rather than later, I believe.
Of course the project manager (who is handling several other models, and his success is well known in the trade) is expecting the engineering sample to pass, be approved and go to the next stage quickly. I watched Geoff Hope circulate amongst the principals of the Chinese importing Companies at Bundoora,, and I saw respect and maybe a worrying look as they wondered how far our modelling dollars will stretch.  which can be substituted as an add on to mimic prototype operations. Geoff says why do something twice, when you can negotiate in a friendly way with the opposition..how cute is that? Could we even work together like that? I hope so https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
. I think the "new kids " are showing the old ones up, and getting things done under 12 months"
=====================================================================

"It's almost here" - I don't think so

"I heard him negotiate the purchase of tenders from Eureka" - subsequently shown to be wrong, Eureka denied this

"Did I hear August? But I know they are confident they will have them at Liverpool" - Yes, that's Liverpool 2014!


I've got two C30T's on order, looking forward to them like everyone else. I wish Geoff all the best in his endeavour, but like others it's no use saying the Chinese are painting and packing the locos and then two months later that they are working to improve the pulling ability. (My 'Eureka Moment' was tongue-in-cheek, as the 40 Class were in final assembly and packaging years ago...)

Paul
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
http://www.shrike-models.com/ updated today, C30T might arrive before years end.

Beginning to sound like a 'Eureka Moment'...

Paul
Blah Blah... Wink  Not even close. Eureka have had ..what? 12 years to practice their business tactics. Shrike are learning it all with one model. Imagine for yourself if you would have the guts to invest many several thousands of dollars in a venture to produce a product in another Country that speaks a different language, has absolutely foreign (to us) moral values, and have the audacity to thjink you will get it right? I don' think one in 20,000 of us could do what Geoff has done. The model is fully paid for, the work is pretty damn good, and the holdup is all to do with the Chinese.
I guess I think you would have to be a dill to take on what Geoff has, and expect it to work without some hick ups. Rather than put Shrike down, I say that they have done  pretty well, and only one Company out there ,possibly, has started off on a small budget, and come this far along. It seems to me that by March everything will be history, the C30T will be receiving great reviews and Shrike will be much better able to put the C30T behind them and concentrate all their efforts on the RX and the VR engine. I used to be a tradition to give people a fair go. That is what old Australians believe in, anyway Very Happy
Go for it Shrike, your doing a great job, considering everything else.  
Rod Young
Rod, I think you need to take a step back and also make clear your associations with Geoff. You were the mouthpiece for some of the early info, here is some of your words from April 2014:

=====================================================================

"The 30T is injection molded with die cast chassis !! Its almost here and release is hoped sooner rather than later, I believe.
Of course the project manager (who is handling several other models, and his success is well known in the trade) is expecting the engineering sample to pass, be approved and go to the next stage quickly. I watched Geoff Hope circulate amongst the principals of the Chinese importing Companies at Bundoora,, and I saw respect and maybe a worrying look as they wondered how far our modelling dollars will stretch.  which can be substituted as an add on to mimic prototype operations. Geoff says why do something twice, when you can negotiate in a friendly way with the opposition..how cute is that? Could we even work together like that? I hope so https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
. I think the "new kids " are showing the old ones up, and getting things done under 12 months"
=====================================================================

"It's almost here" - I don't think so

"I heard him negotiate the purchase of tenders from Eureka" - subsequently shown to be wrong, Eureka denied this

"Did I hear August? But I know they are confident they will have them at Liverpool" - Yes, that's Liverpool 2014!


I've got two C30T's on order, looking forward to them like everyone else. I wish Geoff all the best in his endeavour, but like others it's no use saying the Chinese are painting and packing the locos and then two months later that they are working to improve the pulling ability. (My 'Eureka Moment' was tongue-in-cheek, as the 40 Class were in final assembly and packaging years ago...)

Paul
FirstStopCentral
Like I said, Geoff was a novice and learned the game the hard way, by investing his hard earned and walking the long mile. That is something that almost every one of us will never ever know, because we don't have the money, or the guts , or the expertise to give it a go.
Money and guts to start this project was something Geoff did have. Just about enough of each. Expertise was a learned thing, the hard way.
As far as my friendship goes, I knew his Father from Diamond Valley Railway, which as members with about 60 others we built in the 80's. Geoff was just a little fella, a bit of a nuisance as were most of the very young members kids in those days. I met him again in Wodonga where he was a Big Wheel fireman running trains to Spencer Street and Dynon. Saw him about, might have a shared a beer on occasion, as I went on to qualify as a Driver  and Geoff moved on to Junee after transferring to NSW Railways. I don't remember much about Geoff for the next many years until we met at a model railway meet, where I found out he had a various stages had received promotion and risen through the grades in both Union and the Railways.
We talked about making models. I knew my limitations but Geoff went ahead.

I know little more than you do, but I do get regular updates from Geoff and admit to being infected with his enthusiasm.
After the Hobson's Bay Exhibition which I staffed in 2014 I did make some comments which I believed to be true. I had been given information and told not to repeat, which I didn't (to do with models to come from On Track and one other, which by the way have not arrived either, but soon will)  The Eureka moment was indeed factual! I heard it! No matter what Ron says. It may not have gone ahead because another avenue has since opened up. I believe a deal has been struck to exchange tenders with another manufacturer using the same factory. Not sure if that has been announced officially yet?

I am not denying, or have I ever, my association with Geoff and a couple of his backers. I have not invested any monies apart from those required to secure product, nor am I gaining any financial advantage.

I am however a believer in the fact that Geoff can do this. He sought out expertise when he first got into trouble dealing with the Chinese, and appointed a qualified Manager who guided Geoff along a better path.

This year at Liverpool I spent about an hour with Geoff and his son and found a very nice model, set up much better than the first factory samples with weight and it appeared to be the bees knees.    

I know Geoff to be an honest man. He has suffered much and after losing his wife suffering debilitating illness and overcoming it all, raising a son alone, and then taking on a new import model business in retirement, I believe he deserves supporting, not knocking.

All my posts in support were believed by me, to be true and what Geoff honestly believed was going to happen.  I am doing my best to support him.    I know that their is only one thing that can defeat him. That is his health.  His enthusiasm is carrying him for now. He needs that model here on sale. Not because he needs the money, but because he promised me and his supporters that he would get the job done. He wears his heart on his sleeve. He wants this model landed more than any one individual that may read this post, believe me he will damage his health to get it here, and that may be what I fear the most.

Geoff is very much being run down by this enterprise. Reports of his personal appearance in Adelaide and Epping this year, showed some form of Crisis which I believe (don't know)  may be health related. This year at Liverpool, I had little chance to speak with him, as I was talking with young son most of the time, when examining the new models. When I did break into a conversation with Geoff, I had two or three words quickly as I had people waiting for me as we were due to depart back home.
Unfortunately my conversation was not as supportive as I later wished. In fact I told him that if his latest video was the best he could publish, it was better not published. But I did note that he looked better than last time, although he has thinned down perhaps too quickly.

Yes I am supporting Geoff because I believe he can do it, indeed he already has done it. The money has been paid, the factory have made the alterations and only one thing is left to do! The product needs assembly and the container needs packing and shipping. Everything else is beyond Geoff's control. Help him not hinder him, and let the Chinese be Chinese?

Thank you, Paul, for going to all that trouble researching Railpage. I am extremely happy that I am still getting under your skin. I don't like you and I know how you feel Very Happy

Now do you want to tell people why YOU are so negative? Or do you just naturally attack me every chance you get and collateral damage be buggered Wink
 Are you actually associated with Auscision to whom you consistently point out where the sun shines out of its nether regions? (On a personal note I think Auscision is pretty good too even if they get it wrong and act the fools sometime)

Lots of love Rolling Eyes
Rod Young
  Railwayfan Train Controller

Location: By a Railway
Come on people, I know there are varied opinions here but lets try to keep down the negative discussion otherwise we may see the thread locked.
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Come on people, I know there are varied opinions here but lets try to keep down the negative discussion otherwise we may see the thread locked.
Railwayfan
Can't see a problem here RF. To my mind the discussion has not become "negative".  Just a difference of opinions and the proponents have been reasonably polite in expressing their views.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I have no money invested because, well frankly the only loco I am interested in is the Rx and I pretty much know despite what Shrike might publish, it won't be here before 2017 possibly even 2018. But I have often wondered this - exactly what happened to the squirted models that were being painted when they decided to investigating improved pulling?
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The reason I ask is that unlike many, I have had stuff albeit not model railway related produced in China, and there is no way, no way at all, that once squirting has started they would easily take on a partial redesign as we've sort of been told... Things would be even more complicated with the things being die cast. I am not suggesting someone lied, but I am suggesting quite the biggest engineering misunderstanding I have ever heard of.
  Railwayfan Train Controller

Location: By a Railway
Come on people, I know there are varied opinions here but lets try to keep down the negative discussion otherwise we may see the thread locked.
Can't see a problem here RF. To my mind the discussion has not become "negative".  Just a difference of opinions and the proponents have been reasonably polite in expressing their views.
John_Bushell
Just read some of the above posts and then you will see the issue. It doesn't take an idiot to see where this may lead and posts of dislike and so fourth have seen similar threads locked. It is not bad but it only takes 1 post to change that. I am not aiming specifically at anyone, but in general.
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

http://www.shrike-models.com/ updated today, C30T might arrive before years end.

Beginning to sound like a 'Eureka Moment'...

Paul
Blah Blah... Wink  Not even close. Eureka have had ..what? 12 years to practice their business tactics. Shrike are learning it all with one model. Imagine for yourself if you would have the guts to invest many several thousands of dollars in a venture to produce a product in another Country that speaks a different language, has absolutely foreign (to us) moral values, and have the audacity to thjink you will get it right? I don' think one in 20,000 of us could do what Geoff has done. The model is fully paid for, the work is pretty damn good, and the holdup is all to do with the Chinese.
I guess I think you would have to be a dill to take on what Geoff has, and expect it to work without some hick ups. Rather than put Shrike down, I say that they have done  pretty well, and only one Company out there ,possibly, has started off on a small budget, and come this far along. It seems to me that by March everything will be history, the C30T will be receiving great reviews and Shrike will be much better able to put the C30T behind them and concentrate all their efforts on the RX and the VR engine. I used to be a tradition to give people a fair go. That is what old Australians believe in, anyway Very Happy
Go for it Shrike, your doing a great job, considering everything else.  
Rod Young
Rod, I think you need to take a step back and also make clear your associations with Geoff. You were the mouthpiece for some of the early info, here is some of your words from April 2014:

=====================================================================

"The 30T is injection molded with die cast chassis !! Its almost here and release is hoped sooner rather than later, I believe.
Of course the project manager (who is handling several other models, and his success is well known in the trade) is expecting the engineering sample to pass, be approved and go to the next stage quickly. I watched Geoff Hope circulate amongst the principals of the Chinese importing Companies at Bundoora,, and I saw respect and maybe a worrying look as they wondered how far our modelling dollars will stretch.  which can be substituted as an add on to mimic prototype operations. Geoff says why do something twice, when you can negotiate in a friendly way with the opposition..how cute is that? Could we even work together like that? I hope so https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
. I think the "new kids " are showing the old ones up, and getting things done under 12 months"
=====================================================================

"It's almost here" - I don't think so

"I heard him negotiate the purchase of tenders from Eureka" - subsequently shown to be wrong, Eureka denied this

"Did I hear August? But I know they are confident they will have them at Liverpool" - Yes, that's Liverpool 2014!


I've got two C30T's on order, looking forward to them like everyone else. I wish Geoff all the best in his endeavour, but like others it's no use saying the Chinese are painting and packing the locos and then two months later that they are working to improve the pulling ability. (My 'Eureka Moment' was tongue-in-cheek, as the 40 Class were in final assembly and packaging years ago...)

Paul
Like I said, Geoff was a novice and learned the game the hard way, by investing his hard earned and walking the long mile. That is something that almost every one of us will never ever know, because we don't have the money, or the guts , or the expertise to give it a go.
Money and guts to start this project was something Geoff did have. Just about enough of each. Expertise was a learned thing, the hard way.
As far as my friendship goes, I knew his Father from Diamond Valley Railway, which as members with about 60 others we built in the 80's. Geoff was just a little fella, a bit of a nuisance as were most of the very young members kids in those days. I met him again in Wodonga where he was a Big Wheel fireman running trains to Spencer Street and Dynon. Saw him about, might have a shared a beer on occasion, as I went on to qualify as a Driver  and Geoff moved on to Junee after transferring to NSW Railways. I don't remember much about Geoff for the next many years until we met at a model railway meet, where I found out he had a various stages had received promotion and risen through the grades in both Union and the Railways.
We talked about making models. I knew my limitations but Geoff went ahead.

I know little more than you do, but I do get regular updates from Geoff and admit to being infected with his enthusiasm.
After the Hobson's Bay Exhibition which I staffed in 2014 I did make some comments which I believed to be true. I had been given information and told not to repeat, which I didn't (to do with models to come from On Track and one other, which by the way have not arrived either, but soon will)  The Eureka moment was indeed factual! I heard it! No matter what Ron says. It may not have gone ahead because another avenue has since opened up. I believe a deal has been struck to exchange tenders with another manufacturer using the same factory. Not sure if that has been announced officially yet?

I am not denying, or have I ever, my association with Geoff and a couple of his backers. I have not invested any monies apart from those required to secure product, nor am I gaining any financial advantage.

I am however a believer in the fact that Geoff can do this. He sought out expertise when he first got into trouble dealing with the Chinese, and appointed a qualified Manager who guided Geoff along a better path.

This year at Liverpool I spent about an hour with Geoff and his son and found a very nice model, set up much better than the first factory samples with weight and it appeared to be the bees knees.    

I know Geoff to be an honest man. He has suffered much and after losing his wife suffering debilitating illness and overcoming it all, raising a son alone, and then taking on a new import model business in retirement, I believe he deserves supporting, not knocking.

All my posts in support were believed by me, to be true and what Geoff honestly believed was going to happen.  I am doing my best to support him.    I know that their is only one thing that can defeat him. That is his health.  His enthusiasm is carrying him for now. He needs that model here on sale. Not because he needs the money, but because he promised me and his supporters that he would get the job done. He wears his heart on his sleeve. He wants this model landed more than any one individual that may read this post, believe me he will damage his health to get it here, and that may be what I fear the most.

Geoff is very much being run down by this enterprise. Reports of his personal appearance in Adelaide and Epping this year, showed some form of Crisis which I believe (don't know)  may be health related. This year at Liverpool, I had little chance to speak with him, as I was talking with young son most of the time, when examining the new models. When I did break into a conversation with Geoff, I had two or three words quickly as I had people waiting for me as we were due to depart back home.
Unfortunately my conversation was not as supportive as I later wished. In fact I told him that if his latest video was the best he could publish, it was better not published. But I did note that he looked better than last time, although he has thinned down perhaps too quickly.

Yes I am supporting Geoff because I believe he can do it, indeed he already has done it. The money has been paid, the factory have made the alterations and only one thing is left to do! The product needs assembly and the container needs packing and shipping. Everything else is beyond Geoff's control. Help him not hinder him, and let the Chinese be Chinese?

Thank you, Paul, for going to all that trouble researching Railpage. I am extremely happy that I am still getting under your skin. I don't like you and I know how you feel Very Happy

Now do you want to tell people why YOU are so negative? Or do you just naturally attack me every chance you get and collateral damage be buggered Wink
 Are you actually associated with Auscision to whom you consistently point out where the sun shines out of its nether regions? (On a personal note I think Auscision is pretty good too even if they get it wrong and act the fools sometime)

Lots of love Rolling Eyes
Rod Young
comtrain
Shame that you take to a personal attack, I'm only quoting what has been posted in the past (not hard to find, second post in this thread). Every time someone says something negative, you jump down their throat with all the normal "why do you go and do it" quotes.

You were passing on the 'overly optimistic' stuff 12 months ago or more.

I actually thought your post above was great, giving some insight into Geoff's background and how hard he's worked to get these locos out. They will arrive, I'm not doubting that, and they'll be the best the guy has been able to produce given the circumstances and learning curve dealing with the Chinese.

I've voted with my wallet and supported him the best I can.

Things like "I don't like you' are best left in the playground.

I won't comment further until the models are in my hands.

Paul
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
I have no money invested because, well frankly the only loco I am interested in is the Rx and I pretty much know despite what Shrike might publish, it won't be here before 2017 possibly even 2018. But I have often wondered this - exactly what happened to the squirted models that were being painted when they decided to investigating improved pulling?
Aaron
So far Geoff has all the stuff he got from the factory in his possession. However recently I was able to purchase from Auscision in their Easter egg bin at an Exhibition three 422 Class Locomotives completely externally painted and missing lighting , motors and gearing. They are rolling models. When I asked about them, they told me they were paint samples which were approved, thus not returned to factory. Not sure if it was so, but they were cheap and definitely not nasty Smile
Cheers
Rod
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
The reason I ask is that unlike many, I have had stuff albeit not model railway related produced in China, and there is no way, no way at all, that once squirting has started they would easily take on a partial redesign as we've sort of been told... Things would be even more complicated with the things being die cast. I am not suggesting someone lied, but I am suggesting quite the biggest engineering misunderstanding I have ever heard of.
Aaron
Yeah,
I am not sure exactly what the engineering changes were. At Liverpool, the finished (painted model) appeared to be the earlier model which needed weighting. Col or Geoff might be able to help here, as I really understood the original design was all plastic except for the footplates which were very thin die cast material. Wasn't it?

But for sure the weighted model had a painted boiler and cab sitting on a diecast footplate. As to whether the change was to make that heavier, or simply add weight between the drivers, I really am not sure. As I explained Geoff and I hardly spoke at Liverpool. One of the Epping members told me that he saw it running and said it now pulls extremely well up all prototypical grades on that layout.

I really thought all they were doing was placing extra weight in the frame, so I might be wrong. I think the RX will receive the metal cast boiler. and thus the expensive changes.
Cheers
Rod
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Well what were they painting and packing? He must have an awful lot of boxes at his house, they didn't squirt 10 to move to paint and they didn't paint 5 to pack. This is production we're talking about here... The numbers would be an order of magnitude higher.
  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT
Yawn.  The models will come.

At least shrike have had decency to take 5 minutes to give an update, instead of leaving us hanging and wondering.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Update 11/11 - http://www.shrike-models.com/
C30T production delayed until after Chinese New Year.
  a6et Minister for Railways

http://www.shrike-models.com/ updated today, C30T might arrive before years end.
Poath Junction

Beginning to sound like a 'Eureka Moment'...

Paul
"FirstStopCentral"


Paul you have to be kidding!!! A Eureka Moment for Pete's look at some history, Eureka Times #16 factoy has been advised to commence production of the 40cl, that was in 2008, where is it? the dies stuck at the old SDK factory that most others have got theirs out from.  What of the 59cl announced with prices etc, said to be in production 5 years ago, now they say nothing has commenced on it, Eureka has the best record for delayed models & no other will come close to it.

This news does not just affect Shrike & the 30T but it also affects Ixion as they too are in with the models. Even if the 30T arrives in the middle of 2016, that's 2 years since the public announcement of it coming.  Geoff has also held the prices I notice, & offered a full refund to those who are disgruntled, more than the opposition have offered.
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

http://www.shrike-models.com/ updated today, C30T might arrive before years end.

Beginning to sound like a 'Eureka Moment'...

Paul


Paul you have to be kidding!!! A Eureka Moment for Pete's look at some history, Eureka Times #16 factoy has been advised to commence production of the 40cl, that was in 2008, where is it? the dies stuck at the old SDK factory that most others have got theirs out from.  What of the 59cl announced with prices etc, said to be in production 5 years ago, now they say nothing has commenced on it, Eureka has the best record for delayed models & no other will come close to it.

This news does not just affect Shrike & the 30T but it also affects Ixion as they too are in with the models. Even if the 30T arrives in the middle of 2016, that's 2 years since the public announcement of it coming.  Geoff has also held the prices I notice, & offered a full refund to those who are disgruntled, more than the opposition have offered.
a6et
Why have you raised this from weeks ago? Nothing to do with todays announcement.

Paul
  a6et Minister for Railways

http://www.shrike-models.com/ updated today, C30T might arrive before years end.

Beginning to sound like a 'Eureka Moment'...

Paul


Paul you have to be kidding!!! A Eureka Moment for Pete's look at some history, Eureka Times #16 factoy has been advised to commence production of the 40cl, that was in 2008, where is it? the dies stuck at the old SDK factory that most others have got theirs out from.  What of the 59cl announced with prices etc, said to be in production 5 years ago, now they say nothing has commenced on it, Eureka has the best record for delayed models & no other will come close to it.

This news does not just affect Shrike & the 30T but it also affects Ixion as they too are in with the models. Even if the 30T arrives in the middle of 2016, that's 2 years since the public announcement of it coming.  Geoff has also held the prices I notice, & offered a full refund to those who are disgruntled, more than the opposition have offered.
a6et
Why have you raised this from weeks ago? Nothing to do with todays announcement.

Paul
"FirstStopCentral"



Is there any reason why I cannot raise something used in the past, when you have done exactly the same thing by making the Eureka moment comment?

Shrike is a long way away from having one of those yet, & I certainly do not wish that on any importer even Eureka.
  a6et Minister for Railways

The reason I ask is that unlike many, I have had stuff albeit not model railway related produced in China, and there is no way, no way at all, that once squirting has started they would easily take on a partial redesign as we've sort of been told... Things would be even more complicated with the things being die cast. I am not suggesting someone lied, but I am suggesting quite the biggest engineering misunderstanding I have ever heard of.
Aaron
Yeah,
I am not sure exactly what the engineering changes were. At Liverpool, the finished (painted model) appeared to be the earlier model which needed weighting. Col or Geoff might be able to help here, as I really understood the original design was all plastic except for the footplates which were very thin die cast material. Wasn't it?

But for sure the weighted model had a painted boiler and cab sitting on a diecast footplate. As to whether the change was to make that heavier, or simply add weight between the drivers, I really am not sure. As I explained Geoff and I hardly spoke at Liverpool. One of the Epping members told me that he saw it running and said it now pulls extremely well up all prototypical grades on that layout.

I really thought all they were doing was placing extra weight in the frame, so I might be wrong. I think the RX will receive the metal cast boiler. and thus the expensive changes.
Cheers
Rod
"comtrain"


Geoff had 2 primary samples on display at Liverpool, one had old weights & the other newer or 2nd one had slightly heavier weights in it.  The 2nd one seeamed ok as far as just a handling of it is concerned when compared to the 1st one.  The boiler was made of ABS & main frame assembly was in metal.  Geoff did say he had & was still trying to work on how to add some extra weight over the driving wheels, but have no idea about how that has gone.

The problem which I see in making a model of this size is getting the right amount of weight & having it balances to perform according to what it should be reasonably expected to pull, in scale loads.  Depending on the grades that layouts have will make or break any model from the end users view, especially if they expect too much from it.  On that scale from Model to Prototype one has to remember the 30T was a branch line engine, & while they worked trains on the main lines, that was more common when heading to & from workshops, perhaps the Mudgee line may have been the exception as they frequently worked cement trains along the branch.

The territory for them then was on generally branch lines that were heavily graded such as Tumbarumba, Tumut on the south & the flat areas on the plains.  Loads for them on 1:40 grades limited them to 185tons, (Tumulla, but would apply much the same on the Short North, Ardglen, Illawarra etc.  (32cl had load of 255tons. There was also no difference in load hauling capacity between the saturated & superheated types, at least in the WTT's, the thing is though as one would expect the superheated ones would do the job more efficiently. Enfield had a single superheated 30T allocated to it in the 60's & had a morning roster of a passenger train to Richmond which started & finished at Clyde Sidings the 30T hauled the train under the sam conditions as a 32cl, when one of the 30T's was rarelly unavailable a 32cl was rostered on it.  The primary ones on the roster were 3009 & 3016.

On 1:66 grades the load increased to 315tons (445tons for 32cl)  So, it then becomes a decision as to what loads would a modeller want from a 30T & therefore their expectation of the model.

Geoff has tried to cover as much as he can in increasing the weight over the drivers, to do any further weight increases would likely mean expensive retooling & remastering of the model.  One has to look & see where the principle area is for weight, & that being the drivers, short of the boiler being metal, there's not much that can be done.  We looked at the area under the keeper plate, which already has weight added, I forget whether the in cab boiler backhead is metal or ABS, also the seating areas/platforms, but extra weight here has to be then balanced over the drivers & overall length of the engine.

The only thing that I would see being made from metal would be wheel splashers, sand boxes & dome, the dome I understand is ABS but being hollow can be weighted. Problem is that adding weight in the wrong areas can affect the model & could make it worse.

I have one on order, & it will be used as the yard shunting engine along with some transfer & short haul operations. Another job is for it to replace the CPH on the school train. A Short Stock special, well within the capacity of the model

I look forward to their arrival, & to Geoff's next NSW project.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
So do they have a believable E.T.A. yet?
This year, but I would say more believable than some competitors
And on what basis do you assume this?
Aaron
Update 11/11 - http://www.shrike-models.com/
C30T production delayed until after Chinese New Year.
Poath Junction
Now the question is this: How long a delay post CNY? I am going to take a stab (which in all likelyhood is as likely a guess as any) and say October, likely not this financial year.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
Has anyone else tried to get a refund on their 30t?  I asked for one well over a month ago and have had absolutely no response.  I know the man is up against it but it's not acceptable to offer a refund and then not respond.
  ianadunn Locomotive Fireman

Has anyone else tried to get a refund on their 30t?  I asked for one well over a month ago and have had absolutely no response.  I know the man is up against it but it's not acceptable to offer a refund and then not respond.
TheFish
It has been reported elsewhere that Shrike Models has been declared insolvent. May not be true ....
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Has anyone else tried to get a refund on their 30t?  I asked for one well over a month ago and have had absolutely no response.  I know the man is up against it but it's not acceptable to offer a refund and then not respond.
It has been reported elsewhere that Shrike Models has been declared insolvent. May not be true ....
ianadunn
Looks as if you may be correct.

https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/notice-details/SHRIKE-MODELS-PTY-LTD-166204655/0b87e4ca-8b09-482b-a61b-bb5eb76a9f0f
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
The notice does NOT say Shrike are insolvent. It says ASIC may (stress only may) deregister the company in 2 months. The info at http://asic.gov.au/for-business/closing-your-company/deregistration/asic-initiated-deregistration-of-company/ explains why these notices are  issued. s601AB is the culprit specified in the notice, easy to narrow down the 2 possible causes are forgot to pay yearly fee or forgot to return a required form.
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
In my view it is irresponsible to publish rumors as fact with no verification. This could do immeasurable harm to Shrike Models and its business.

Iain

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