Upfield to Somerton a Disused Railway Line at Night

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 22 Feb 2016 10:25
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
If designed to be a spooky read does not quite make it. Fun article however with a few dates being wrong.

Upfield to Somerton a Disused Railway Line at Night

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The sidings mentioned in the article (beyond Upfield) would be the Ford Sidings which were/are Broad and Standard Gauge.
  toastywarmhamster Station Master

Location: Space and Time
So explain to me why an article with Illegal activity is on Railpage?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The article definitly endorses some illegal activity, tresspassing being the most obvious. I wasn't aware the Upfield to Somerton line was that open to the public, they more than likely have crossed a fenceline, or at the very least disobeyed a no entry or no pedestrian sign, suggesting they have little regard for the law.

I also find the references to Broadmeadows and Craigieburn being "two of the most infamously dodgy suburbs in the city", as well as the dread and fear described by the author at the sound of a nearby hoon doing a burnout, typical of somebody who lacks maturity and street skills and has probably had a sheltered and priviledged up-bringing.

Sounds to me like an upper-middle-class teenager from the leafy inner eastern suburbs with an unjustified sense of superiority and an inacurate belief that they can go where ever they feel like.

Reminds me of a story a few years ago of a 16 year old kid - from Camberwell I think it was - that was caught trainsurfing a few times, carried on like a right turd when he was caught, went on to do it one more time, and ended up learning his lesson the hard way when he ended up dead.

I don't for a minute support the activities described by the author in this article, but I don't think it should necesserily be censored or removed from this site. It is well known that we have had like minded users on this forum before (I wouldn't be surprised if this particular author was a former or even current user of this forum) and if well thought out counter arguments to their behaviours can be provided that might actually give these people something to think about.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is a disused railway boy oh boy trespassing on prickles.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Walking along the disused railway is pretty harmless, but to get there, they had to walk through the Upfield stabling yard, and at the other end had to walk across the active lines at Roxburgh Park station. This is the questionable behaviour.
  onyx Locomotive Fireman

Walking along the disused railway is pretty harmless, but to get there, they had to walk through the Upfield stabling yard, and at the other end had to walk across the active lines at Roxburgh Park station. This is the questionable behaviour.
Gman_86

It is also important to note that the section of track was, as even noted in the article, used in an emergency situation once before. It would be extremely unlikely, but it could happen again, and if it does it would be disasterous for any trespasser.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
At least they were sufficiently educated to know the difference between 'unused' and 'disused' in relation to the line!

It would take ages (even in an emergency the way we operate) to run a train from Somerton to Upfield so little danger to the trespassers in that regard.

Far more likely to get bitten by a snake - I was almost bitten by a red bellied black snake at the down end of the Ford sidings years ago. The place is alive with them.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The sidings mentioned in the article (beyond Upfield) would be the Ford Sidings which were/are Broad and Standard Gauge.
bevans
Not only - there were a heap of others.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

At least they were sufficiently educated to know the difference between 'unused' and 'disused' in relation to the line!

It would take ages (even in an emergency the way we operate) to run a train from Somerton to Upfield so little danger to the trespassers in that regard.

Far more likely to get bitten by a snake - I was almost bitten by a red bellied black snake at the down end of the Ford sidings years ago. The place is alive with them.
YM-Mundrabilla
UNPAID SECURITY
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Far more likely to get bitten by a snake - I was almost bitten by a red bellied black snake at the down end of the Ford sidings years ago
"YM-Mundrabilla"
Don't tell everybody; they'll all want one.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
At least they were sufficiently educated to know the difference between 'unused' and 'disused' in relation to the line!

It would take ages (even in an emergency the way we operate) to run a train from Somerton to Upfield so little danger to the trespassers in that regard.

Far more likely to get bitten by a snake - I was almost bitten by a red bellied black snake at the down end of the Ford sidings years ago. The place is alive with them.
UNPAID SECURITY
trainbrain
Could be.
But do snakes bite only trespassers or those people meant to be there?
Having answered that, do they bite the first or the second person that they see.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
But do snakes bite only trespassers or those people meant to be there?
Having answered that, do they bite the first or the second person that they see.
"YM-Mundrabilla"

Snakes normally don't bite humans. Humans are not food, and therefore the snakes are not interested. Leave them alone and they won't touch you. I have seen many in the wild, and none has taken the slightest interest. I stood and watched a Coastal Taipan cross the road between Georgetown and Croydon in North Queensland; it passed about three metres from me and ignored me completely.
A bloke who does snake demos at the Manly Aquarium has a red-bellied black living in his backyard. He warns visitors to be careful because the snake may be sunning himself on the back door step, and treading on him will get a bite.
  Roadmaster Locomotive Driver

But do snakes bite only trespassers or those people meant to be there?
Having answered that, do they bite the first or the second person that they see.

Snakes normally don't bite humans. Humans are not food, and therefore the snakes are not interested. Leave them alone and they won't touch you. I have seen many in the wild, and none has taken the slightest interest. I stood and watched a Coastal Taipan cross the road between Georgetown and Croydon in North Queensland; it passed about three metres from me and ignored me completely.
A bloke who does snake demos at the Manly Aquarium has a red-bellied black living in his backyard. He warns visitors to be careful because the snake may be sunning himself on the back door step, and treading on him will get a bite.
Valvegear
Interesting that the scariest part of their 'walk' was actually the last few hundred metres at Roxburgh Park, where they encountered the local yokels. Snakes obviously have nothing on the riff-raff that occupy the northern suburbs of Melbourne.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
But do snakes bite only trespassers or those people meant to be there?
Having answered that, do they bite the first or the second person that they see.

Snakes normally don't bite humans. Humans are not food, and therefore the snakes are not interested. Leave them alone and they won't touch you. I have seen many in the wild, and none has taken the slightest interest. I stood and watched a Coastal Taipan cross the road between Georgetown and Croydon in North Queensland; it passed about three metres from me and ignored me completely.
A bloke who does snake demos at the Manly Aquarium has a red-bellied black living in his backyard. He warns visitors to be careful because the snake may be sunning himself on the back door step, and treading on him will get a bite.
Valvegear
I didn't even see the thing until a driver almost pushed me A over T when I nearly stepped on the thing whilst walking the couple of metres from the engine to the Scotch Block protecting the Ford's Yard. I have been lucky on three other occasions on bike paths at Broadmeadows, Dights Falls and Port Melbourne.

(Having used up 4 of my 9 lives on snakes I agree that they don't necessarily bite the first person that they see although bikes do tend to sneak up on them sometimes). Smile
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
Looking on a google map view all I see in the way of fences are for property boundaries and for the rail yard. So they walked down the gravel track from the west side car park at Upfield, past the yard & continued on. The only real issue I see is near the Visy plant, where in their own typical overly paranoid way have claimed squatters rights to the track running past their gate and possibly beyond.

And I just worked out what that odd 4 rail crossing is, that's the dual gauge gauntlet track to Ford.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Looking on a google map view all I see in the way of fences are for property boundaries and for the rail yard. So they walked down the gravel track from the west side car park at Upfield, past the yard & continued on. The only real issue I see is near the Visy plant, where in their own typical overly paranoid way have claimed squatters rights to the track running past their gate and possibly beyond.

And I just worked out what that odd 4 rail crossing is, that's the dual gauge gauntlet track to Ford.
ARodH
Good to see the correction.  They did not walk through the stabling yard, as stated previously, because it is surrounded by fences and locked gates, and had they done so they would certainly have been trespassing.  

The stabling yard is one obstacle to the line being reinstated.  It should have been built off to one side, so as not to compromise the old alignment.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Looking on a google map view all I see in the way of fences are for property boundaries and for the rail yard. So they walked down the gravel track from the west side car park at Upfield, past the yard & continued on. The only real issue I see is near the Visy plant, where in their own typical overly paranoid way have claimed squatters rights to the track running past their gate and possibly beyond.

And I just worked out what that odd 4 rail crossing is, that's the dual gauge gauntlet track to Ford.
ARodH
Agree about VISY.
The signalman at Somerton  always had to ring their guardhouse to advise of the train but never, on any of my trips, was there any objection - just OH&S gone mad as usual. The whole line is 4 rail where the two gauges run on the same sleepers but the SG separates completely at the entrance to private sidings avoiding the use of dual gauge turnouts.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is the VISY plant still in use?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
At least they were sufficiently educated to know the difference between 'unused' and 'disused' in relation to the line!

It would take ages (even in an emergency the way we operate) to run a train from Somerton to Upfield so little danger to the trespassers in that regard.

Far more likely to get bitten by a snake - I was almost bitten by a red bellied black snake at the down end of the Ford sidings years ago. The place is alive with them.
UNPAID SECURITY
trainbrain
Don't tell em that, their union will twig to it and start demanding payment!
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Is the VISY plant still in use?
bevans
Its still listed on the Visy website as a plant - part of the paper coatings business and a build run repair facility too.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is the VISY plant still in use?
Its still listed on the Visy website as a plant - part of the paper coatings business and a build run repair facility too.
james.au

The plant has access to Standard Gauge at that location I wonder if PN have approached them or even Qube?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
How much volume would that plant have?
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Cool!
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Looking on a google map view all I see in the way of fences are for property boundaries and for the rail yard. So they walked down the gravel track from the west side car park at Upfield, past the yard & continued on. The only real issue I see is near the Visy plant, where in their own typical overly paranoid way have claimed squatters rights to the track running past their gate and possibly beyond.

And I just worked out what that odd 4 rail crossing is, that's the dual gauge gauntlet track to Ford.
Good to see the correction.  They did not walk through the stabling yard, as stated previously, because it is surrounded by fences and locked gates, and had they done so they would certainly have been trespassing.  

The stabling yard is one obstacle to the line being reinstated.  It should have been built off to one side, so as not to compromise the old alignment.
Lad_Porter
I don't think the stabling yard is that much of an obstacle. According to this photo from VicSig, the line is still connected but at the Upfield end yes it is used as a siding. I'm guessing from this signalling arrangement that it could be reinstated if needed.
http://vicsig.net/photo/12718

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