Shrike Models

 
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Disappointed in the Austrains duplication, it's similar to your decision to duplicate a 32 class I suppose.
Except that nobody has ever done a model of an original frame 32 class before. The previous RTR offering was a reframed type.

Yes, they are very different.

Familiarise yourself with them before attempting to take a potshot.

Craig W
CraigW
I think you will find that the original Bergs Brass 32 class model was of the low frame loco....but it was pretty basic by today's standards and I'm sure the Ixion model will be MUCH more accurate. Whether or not it has the same tractive effort remains to be seen I guess.

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  M636C Minister for Railways

Disappointed in the Austrains duplication, it's similar to your decision to duplicate a 32 class I suppose.
Except that nobody has ever done a model of an original frame 32 class before. The previous RTR offering was a reframed type.

Yes, they are very different.

Familiarise yourself with them before attempting to take a potshot.

Craig W
CraigW
But the two frame types existed side by side, and while there were differences, a model of either type of frame would serve to represent most of the class at any time since 1937 or so.

You would have to want a particular number or a particular colour scheme, (such as 3265 in red) before the frame difference became significant.

I believe there were green painted 32 class with both frame types in the late 1930s and early 1940s.

Austrains is offering the three different smokebox variations, wheras the Shrike model only included the drumhead variation (3100 in 1940 and conversions until the end of the war, more or less).

M636C
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL

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Not arguing with the overall context; I was more replying to the use of 'losing' when describing Ixion's statement.  Your proposed scenario is a way of offsetting their cost; they've still forgone the revenue either way.

I'm just not finding their statement objectionable in the way that others are.  I understand that people are frustrated but they didn't say that its going to lose them money; it's going to cost them revenue.  It seems to be a reasonable description of the situation.As someone who worked in regulating corporate law for a long time I would be somewhat concerned if a director of a company sold assets of the company to get out of a personal financial pickle.
I'm sorry, is there some suspicion that Ixion is doing this?  That's who I believe Aaron and I are talking about.Not saying it has happened. Just presenting some legal info. Use how you will.
nswtrains

I am saying that you appear to be referring to activities that are speculated to have been undertaken by Shrike, when the discussion you replied to is about Ixion,  as 'legal info' no less.  Twice now.

Otherwise you are casting aspersions on Ixion that are borderline libelous unless you are privy to information that is otherwise not shared here.  As a former corporate lawyer, I'm sure you have some familiarity with how that works.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Disappointed in the Austrains duplication, it's similar to your decision to duplicate a 32 class I suppose.
Except that nobody has ever done a model of an original frame 32 class before. The previous RTR offering was a reframed type.

Yes, they are very different.

Familiarise yourself with them before attempting to take a potshot.

Craig W
But the two frame types existed side by side, and while there were differences, a model of either type of frame would serve to represent most of the class at any time since 1937 or so.

You would have to want a particular number or a particular colour scheme, (such as 3265 in red) before the frame difference became significant.

I believe there were green painted 32 class with both frame types in the late 1930s and early 1940s.

Austrains is offering the three different smokebox variations, wheras the Shrike model only included the drumhead variation (3100 in 1940 and conversions until the end of the war, more or less).

M636C
M636C
M, Shrike did off the 3 smokebox types, the problem was in the translation.
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

Has anybody got a refund form Shrike models or a reply email etc.

4 weeks now since the news
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner


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Not arguing with the overall context; I was more replying to the use of 'losing' when describing Ixion's statement.  Your proposed scenario is a way of offsetting their cost; they've still forgone the revenue either way.

I'm just not finding their statement objectionable in the way that others are.  I understand that people are frustrated but they didn't say that its going to lose them money; it's going to cost them revenue.  It seems to be a reasonable description of the situation.As someone who worked in regulating corporate law for a long time I would be somewhat concerned if a director of a company sold assets of the company to get out of a personal financial pickle.
I'm sorry, is there some suspicion that Ixion is doing this?  That's who I believe Aaron and I are talking about.Not saying it has happened. Just presenting some legal info. Use how you will.
I am saying that you appear to be referring to activities that are speculated to have been undertaken by Shrike, when the discussion you replied to is about Ixion,  as 'legal info' no less.  Twice now.

Otherwise you are casting aspersions on Ixion that are borderline libelous unless you are privy to information that is otherwise not shared here.  As a former corporate lawyer, I'm sure you have some familiarity with how that works.
SAR523
Can't libel a company. Did not say I was a corporate lawyer and speculated about nothing. Just set out the law as it exists. Nothing wrong with that. I for one would never pay a deposit and wait 8 years for a model like another poster admitted about another model. Any discount would be long eroded by inflation. Don't be a bush lawyer and I suggest you brush up on your comprehension skills. Also how what works. A non-sequitur that means nothing.
  Bob K Station Master

Location: East of Port Pirie
Big_Bear,

See my PM.

Bob
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Cases in which companies have successfully litigated for libel in Australia (and likely the rest of the world)? 0
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
Can't libel a company. Did not say I was a corporate lawyer and speculated about nothing. Just set out the law as it exists. Nothing wrong with that. I for one would never pay a deposit and wait 8 years for a model like another poster admitted about another model. Any discount would be long eroded by inflation. Don't be a bush lawyer and I suggest you brush up on your comprehension skills. Also how what works. A non-sequitur that means nothing.
nswtrains

We may be talking past each other here.  I've tried to point out several times that you made comments that appear to be about Shrike in a conversation about Ixion but perhaps I'm being unclear.

Some other observations
1. You're not a lawyer, but you're happy to state that you're 'Just presenting some legal info.'?

2. You're not speculating when you say something like 'I would be somewhat concerned if a director of a company sold assets of the company to get out of a personal financial pickle.'?   It may be a reasonable conclusion from the information currently available, but that sounds rather like speculation to me, unless you are privy to additional information?

3. Now I'm more than willing to be corrected here, but I understand that limitation on companies suing for libel (or rather defamation) only applies to corporations with more than 10 employees under the Australian Uniform Defamation Law (which wouldn't appear to apply to Shrike or Ixion).  Also that individuals associated with the corporation, say like the CEO or directors, can sue for defamation if they are personally identified in the claim.  I am in no way saying that this is likely nor appropriate, I was merely commenting on the nature of your statements.  It would appear that you don't actually disagree with my assertion as instead of refuting it, you instead went to the defense that the recipient had no legal redress.

Again, I'd be more than happy for a former corporate law regulator to steer me straight on that last point.  Always willing to learn.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

Can't libel a company. Did not say I was a corporate lawyer and speculated about nothing. Just set out the law as it exists. Nothing wrong with that. I for one would never pay a deposit and wait 8 years for a model like another poster admitted about another model. Any discount would be long eroded by inflation. Don't be a bush lawyer and I suggest you brush up on your comprehension skills. Also how what works. A non-sequitur that means nothing.
nswtrains


Sometimes it pays to listen to what I say instead of digging yourself a deeper hole.  Read section 9 of the NSW Defamation Act available at http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/da200599/s9.html (similar legislation also applies in other States but Shrike is in NSW hence appropriate to focus on the relevant legislation). In so far as your beliefs:
1. You CAN libel (aka defame) a company (aka corporation)
2. You have speculated a great deal
3. You clearly don't know about the 'law as it exists'.
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
Wow.... I sooooo love this thread.... It is like a Bizet opera.... Full of angst, betrayal and tragedy. Only things missing is lust and unrequited love! Oh! And bull fighting!
SmileSmileSmile
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

It's a great read. Despite not having any vested financial interest I have participated in advance ordering mechanisms in the past. Fortunately the only hard lessons have been ridiculously blown-out delivery time frames (with the odd bout of gross trader misconduct by you-know-who) which is not quite as bad as cancellation. A game changing episode perhaps...
  ibigmang Beginner

Wow.... I sooooo love this thread.... It is like a Bizet opera.... Full of angst, betrayal and tragedy. Only things missing is lust and unrequited love! Oh! And bull fighting!
SmileSmileSmile
SA_trains
We can do without the bull fighting thank you!
  TedFreeman Junior Train Controller

Location: Toowoomba, Queensland
We can do without the bull fighting thank you!
ibigmang
We could probably just do without the Bull!!!!
  danpickard Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong
I think the best thing at this point, is to get someone to contact Womans Day about this topic.
Finally they have a story to replace Bec & Lleyton on the front cover!
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I think the best thing at this point, is to get someone to contact Womans Day about this topic.
Finally they have a story to replace Bec & Lleyton on the front cover!
danpickard
Thank god I will be out of Australia for 5 weeks in a place far far away from some of you nasty contributors. You know who I am referring to.

Bon Voyage
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

The beauty of the www will allow you to keep yourself updated regardless of where ever your travels take you. The extravagance!
  redhen Station Staff

Does any one know whether the RX model will still be made or not ?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Does any one know whether the RX model will still be made or not ?
redhen
I would not bet my life on that happening now, it would be a cold day in hell I think before that actually happens. If Shrike could not do the C30T locomotive then I doubt they would be able to do the RX locomotive. Sale wise the C30T would probably generate more sales Australia wide than a Rx SAR model ever would! So I would not hold my breath about it!
  Nipper Junior Train Controller

Location: Port Pirie
Does any one know whether the RX model will still be made or not ?
redhen
According to Creditor Watch, the status of Shrike Models has changed from 'Strike-off action in progress' to 'Deregistered' sometime during the last 24 hours, so if that is correct, then I would suggest no.
regards, Paul.
  sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

Location: On the 1 in 40.
According to ASIC's Company Registers website Shrike Models Pty Ltd has been deregistered as of today, 19th March 2016.
  redhen Station Staff

The only reason I have asked weather they were still going to do the RX because the local model shop where I have one on order has a lot of other orders for the RX model ?
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
So riddle me this??? What constitutes a lot of orders??

Irrespective, I would suggest that any confidence in Shrike as a business has evaporated.

So to answer your question, I'd suggest that the answer is highly unlikely.
  a6et Minister for Railways

The only reason I have asked weather they were still going to do the RX because the local model shop where I have one on order has a lot of other orders for the RX model ?
redhen
As others have said, there is very little likelihood of Shrike doing an RX as the company is no deregistered it no longer exists.

Geoff had always said the making of NSW Steam models along with some VR ones would have the profits used to pay for SAR steamers, as no way could the market in SA alone pay for their own models in a viable way.
  gunzel42 Locomotive Fireman

Sad to see that this planned model didn't eventuate.

Cheers

Kym

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