Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE

I'm not going to argue with your observations on Malcolm's behaviour since his elevation to the highest job; I also have to agree with you that he's shirked any conversations about tax reform or trying to raise more revenue by closing loopholes - especially the overly generous superannuation ones. I was also disappointed he wouldn't enter into a discussion about Labor's reasonable proposals for negative gearing reform. Perhaps you are right: I am putting him on a pedestal that he doesn't deserve just because I like his style - let's just agree instead that King Charles Cavaliers are unbelievably cute.
don_dunstan
Craig's comments are 100% accurate. I gave MT a go, waiting for this platform change in improvement over TA that he promised and with it gone all the woos of TA govt and I'm still waiting, like many I assume. TA had his gaff's, lots of them, but at least things appeared to happen. MT on the other hand is looking more and more like his initial's "MT" pronounced phonically slowly ie "Empty". Walks away from tax reform, walks away from negative gearing......

On the other hand, Julia Gillard for example faced massive opposition about the CO2 tax, but got it done despite most of the population and many of her own party against it.

Scott Morrison whom I previously had alot of time for also seems to be dragged down by this lack of direction and commitment.

If we had the boat people issue all over again (an example of something controversial and requiring a tough decision), MT would show his true colours and completely cave.

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  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
If you're looking for corruption then why not start with property developer donations to both sides of politics in NSW? I guarantee you you'll get spectacular results.
don_dunstan
There are a few organisations that need to be cleaner than the rest as they are supposed to be defending the people they work for.

The Police, for obvious reasons.

The Unions, also for obvious reasons.

There are others, but Property developers have only self interest at heart and their role in life is to make a buck. Corruption shouldn't happen, but it does and it needs to be stamped out.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Indian Mynahs are very intelligent aren't they, they can learn dozens of words in captivity.
don_dunstan
And are considered a pest species in this country. I'm surprised they are allowed to be kept as pets!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
And are considered a pest species in this country. I'm surprised they are allowed to be kept as pets!
Graham4405
They are a horrible pest and he probably shouldn't be keeping one but if he's not letting it breed then I don't see the harm. Blackbirds are worse, I had a whole garden of seedlings dug up once while I was at work - I really wish you were allowed to have an air pistol especially for those b*stard things.
There are others, but Property developers have only self interest at heart and their role in life is to make a buck. Corruption shouldn't happen, but it does and it needs to be stamped out.
RTT_Rules
What are you trying to say here, that property developers should be held to a lower standard than everyone else because they're naturally inclined towards corruption?
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

Indian Mynahs are very intelligent aren't they, they can learn dozens of words in captivity.
And are considered a pest species in this country. I'm surprised they are allowed to be kept as pets!
Graham4405
We were doing some cleaning in our garage and found him (as a baby) in there. I was about to dispatch him when my wife saw him and wanted to keep him. Kept as he is and socialised with us he is lovely, very talkative and friendly.

Are we meant to keep him? Dont know, and quite frankly I dont care. He isnt harming anyone or causing any problems. he will live with us for the rest of his days. It may not be as good (for him) as being free, but it is a considerable improvement over being dead.

Craig W
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

Are we meant to keep him? Dont know, and quite frankly I dont care. He isnt harming anyone or causing any problems. he will live with us for the rest of his days. It may not be as good (for him) as being free, but it is a considerable improvement over being dead.

Craig W
CraigW
Are we talking about the mynah or Turnbull here?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Craig, they are in fact a feral pest but I've heard before that they make excellent pets as they're smart and can learn lots of words. As long as you don't let him breed while he's captive I really don't see an issue - just feign ignorance if anyone says anything.

Back on topic: News Ltd reports another poll showing a 50/50 split between the Coalition and Labor again.
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

Craig, they are in fact a feral pest but I've heard before that they make excellent pets as they're smart and can learn lots of words. As long as you don't let him breed while he's captive I really don't see an issue - just feign ignorance if anyone says anything.

Back on topic: News Ltd reports another poll showing a 50/50 split between the Coalition and Labor again.
don_dunstan
It's too late, MT has already bred!
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
What are you trying to say here, that property developers should be held to a lower standard than everyone else because they're naturally inclined towards corruption?
don_dunstan
No you didn't quote in context. Property developers should be as clean as the next guy, but there are sectors in the community that do need to be cleaner than the rest.

A left leaning friend said in reference to the Union corruption Royal commission. "Most would expect unions to be somewhat corrupt..." Sorry not acceptable, if an employee cannot trust the self appointed organisation that's supposed to defend their rights and conditions then where do they go? A bit off track, but the union monopolies is what enabled all this to occur in the first place and should be removed.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Hearing tonight on the ABC, that the Govt may be gearing up for an early Budget, on MAY 3rd, that would potentially clear the decks for a DD to be called on May 11th, one day after the budget, if it were handed down on the normal date, that would be followed by an 8 week campaign (some say that we are already in campaign mode) and the Election on July 2nd

Kind Regards
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Property developers should be as clean as the next guy, but there are sectors in the community that do need to be cleaner than the rest.
RTT_Rules
So one standard should apply for the community service workers but another standard should apply for the brown paper bags that flow between NSW property developers and politicians? Sorry but I just don't follow. Corruption is corruption is corruption.

Hearing tonight on the ABC, that the Govt may be gearing up for an early Budget, on MAY 3rd, that would potentially clear the decks for a DD to be called on May 11th, one day after the budget, if it were handed down on the normal date, that would be followed by an 8 week campaign (some say that we are already in campaign mode) and the Election on July 2nd
Israilfan
That seems likely now doesn't it... July actually isn't that far away (scary!).
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Property developers should be as clean as the next guy, but there are sectors in the community that do need to be cleaner than the rest.
So one standard should apply for the community service workers but another standard should apply for the brown paper bags that flow between NSW property developers and politicians? Sorry but I just don't follow. Corruption is corruption is corruption.

don_dunstan
Agree it would be nice, but community expectations are higher for the likes of police and politicians as these are the people who we elect/employ to protect us, after all if you cannot trust the police to protect you, who do you trust? Unions are no different.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Shane, the point that I'm trying to make here is that if the union corruption Royal Commission was genuine then the terms of reference would have included a bit more about the people doing the bribing... not just one idiot who compulsively used his credit card for prostitutes. For $80 million I don't think there was very much actually discovered; although I must admit it was interesting to hear about Bill Shorten's time at the SDA getting a rubbish deal for members he was supposedly representing.

Back on topic: Peta Credlin has finally commented publicly (AFR) about Nicki Savvas book The Road to Ruin saying that the basic problem with the Liberal party was that it had been split into into two camps with Turnbull on one side and Abbott on the other and that they were making the exact same mistakes as the Labor party did: "Having watched at close quarters the extraordinary way that Labor ripped itself apart during the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years, I am dismayed that my own side is heading down the same path." she said.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Shane, the point that I'm trying to make here is that if the union corruption Royal Commission was genuine then the terms of reference would have included a bit more about the people doing the bribing... not just one idiot who compulsively used his credit card for prostitutes. For $80 million I don't think there was very much actually discovered; although I must admit it was interesting to hear about Bill Shorten's time at the SDA getting a rubbish deal for members he was supposedly representing.
don_dunstan
Bill Shorten was AWU, not a Shoppie (SDA). The SDA doesn't need his help to get rubbish deals for its members... they're essentially Coles & Woolies' pet union these days.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Re; Abbott/Turnball/Abbott?

I've posted before, the libs are worse, they haven't learned from the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd, experiment. Won't be reading that book either.

Also, revealed the other day, the doughnut king, Hockey, was responsible for breaking the marble table, on the night of the leadership spill. And Jamie Briggs took the fall.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Shane, the point that I'm trying to make here is that if the union corruption Royal Commission was genuine then the terms of reference would have included a bit more about the people doing the bribing... not just one idiot who compulsively used his credit card for prostitutes. For $80 million I don't think there was very much actually discovered; although I must admit it was interesting to hear about Bill Shorten's time at the SDA getting a rubbish deal for members he was supposedly representing.

Back on topic: Peta Credlin has finally commented publicly (AFR) about Nicki Savvas book The Road to Ruin saying that the basic problem with the Liberal party was that it had been split into into two camps with Turnbull on one side and Abbott on the other and that they were making the exact same mistakes as the Labor party did: "Having watched at close quarters the extraordinary way that Labor ripped itself apart during the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years, I am dismayed that my own side is heading down the same path." she said.
don_dunstan
In relation to Bill, and that agreement, poor sneaky, deal. Going out on a limb here, the members agreed to, and, accepted the deal. Sure all details were probably not available, but question should have been asked.

Having been well involved in the operations of a union at shop level, and secretary/treasurer, an honest one!
Any advice from a union rep. was considered, however they always acted on the members instructions. Any rep. that pushed something not acceptable, to the members, was politely told to P.. off. And a new one, brought on board.
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  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Shane, the point that I'm trying to make here is that if the union corruption Royal Commission was genuine then the terms of reference would have included a bit more about the people doing the bribing... not just one idiot who compulsively used his credit card for prostitutes. For $80 million I don't think there was very much actually discovered; although I must admit it was interesting to hear about Bill Shorten's time at the SDA getting a rubbish deal for members he was supposedly representing.

Back on topic: Peta Credlin has finally commented publicly (AFR) about Nicki Savvas book The Road to Ruin saying that the basic problem with the Liberal party was that it had been split into into two camps with Turnbull on one side and Abbott on the other and that they were making the exact same mistakes as the Labor party did: "Having watched at close quarters the extraordinary way that Labor ripped itself apart during the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years, I am dismayed that my own side is heading down the same path." she said.
In relation to Bill, and that agreement, poor sneaky, deal. Going out on a limb here, the members agreed to, and, accepted the deal. Sure all details were probably not available, but question should have been asked.

Having been well involved in the operations of a union at shop level, and secretary/treasurer, an honest one!
Any advice from a union rep. was considered, however they always acted on the members instructions. Any rep. that pushed something not acceptable, to the members, was politely told to P.. off. And a new one, brought on board.
.
michaelgm
Should also include, that the union concerned was also threatened with mass resignations, when providing an unacceptable level of representation. Did that get their attention.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Shane, the point that I'm trying to make here is that if the union corruption Royal Commission was genuine then the terms of reference would have included a bit more about the people doing the bribing... not just one idiot who compulsively used his credit card for prostitutes. For $80 million I don't think there was very much actually discovered; although I must admit it was interesting to hear about Bill Shorten's time at the SDA getting a rubbish deal for members he was supposedly representing.
Bill Shorten was AWU, not a Shoppie (SDA). The SDA doesn't need his help to get rubbish deals for its members... they're essentially Coles & Woolies' pet union these days.
LancedDendrite
Okay, should have checked that but I agree with your observation: I've been in both those unions before and they're both completely useless.

Has anyone seen this: Jeff Kennett on Fairfax radio this morning demolishing Malcolm Turnbull - calling him "without courage" and saying that he took the leadership entirely for his own self interest and had no plans at all for good governance. He also mentioned that Turnbull had sold out his own beliefs on negative gearing reform and same-sex marriage for the sake of expediency and that the decision to go to an early election would be to cover up his own failings. I think there will be more than one person on this board who agrees with Jeff's observations.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Shane, the point that I'm trying to make here is that if the union corruption Royal Commission was genuine then the terms of reference would have included a bit more about the people doing the bribing... not just one idiot who compulsively used his credit card for prostitutes. For $80 million I don't think there was very much actually discovered; although I must admit it was interesting to hear about Bill Shorten's time at the SDA getting a rubbish deal for members he was supposedly representing.
Bill Shorten was AWU, not a Shoppie (SDA). The SDA doesn't need his help to get rubbish deals for its members... they're essentially Coles & Woolies' pet union these days.
Okay, should have checked that but I agree with your observation: I've been in both those unions before and they're both completely useless.

Has anyone seen this: Jeff Kennett on Fairfax radio this morning demolishing Malcolm Turnbull - calling him "without courage" and saying that he took the leadership entirely for his own self interest and had no plans at all for good governance. He also mentioned that Turnbull had sold out his own beliefs on negative gearing reform and same-sex marriage for the sake of expediency and that the decision to go to an early election would be to cover up his own failings. I think there will be more than one person on this board who agrees with Jeff's observations.
don_dunstan
Yep, have heard Jeff, and concur. Tony was what he was, and Malcolm, for me, a huge disappointment.
Bring on July 2?

Turnbal's ego is outstanding. Like most, converted the big job, and has no idea, when it is realised. In the bigger scheme, I reckon, he wants to be the only, Prime Minister, and President, ever.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Shane, the point that I'm trying to make here is that if the union corruption Royal Commission was genuine then the terms of reference would have included a bit more about the people doing the bribing... not just one idiot who compulsively used his credit card for prostitutes. For $80 million I don't think there was very much actually discovered; although I must admit it was interesting to hear about Bill Shorten's time at the SDA getting a rubbish deal for members he was supposedly representing.

In relation to Bill, and that agreement, poor sneaky, deal. Going out on a limb here, the members agreed to, and, accepted the deal. Sure all details were probably not available, but question should have been asked.

Having been well involved in the operations of a union at shop level, and secretary/treasurer, an honest one!
Any advice from a union rep. was considered, however they always acted on the members instructions. Any rep. that pushed something not acceptable, to the members, was politely told to P.. off. And a new one, brought on board.
.
michaelgm
In my time as a union member, I've never seen a public vote go against the union recommendation and I've never seen too many even oppose and you needed a big set of gonads to do so or expect all hell to break loose in the carpark or more gutless moves later on. I'm sure this wasn't standard for all and I know workers who refused a unions call to strike rather supporting the company, but they were already at work and never in a large stop work meeting or off site meeting.

Yes for $80m it was a costly exercise for the outcome of the prosecutions, however I'm sure there will be a benefit to many unions members long term as hopefully its cleaned up a few unions and prevent some of the rorting including the false generation of union members the value has possible exceeded the royal commission costs.

And yes Michael I'll agree there are good unions out there and good people running them, we just need to remove the dinosaurs and perhaps this commission pushed a few more out.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Shane, let me assure you, everything I've posted is true. Yes, I do have a big set.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Shane, let me assure you, everything I've posted is true. Yes, I do have a big set.
"michaelgm"
Try not to trip over them when you're running for the train.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Is 21 seats too much? that's how many seats are required for a change of Govt?

Kind Regards
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The bookies still have Malcolm Turnbull's government at very short odds of winning ($1.17 or something like that the last time I looked) but then again they completely got it wrong with the fall of Dennis Napthine and Campbell Newman. If I was into betting I would be tempted to put money on a hung parliament?
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
MT "We will be the innovation nation! We will develop technology by ensuring more students are graduating in science and engineering.

Reporter " Prime Minister, what is your first innovation?

MT "Our first innovation is to be first nation in the world to replace optical fibre with copper cable as we create our telecommunication network for the 21st century."

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