S.A.R. 700 class carriage bogies

 
  Trainguy01 Station Master

Location: Casino
Hello everyone.

I am currently scratchbuilding carriage 708 'Cape Byron Club Car' for my Ritz Rail consist and I need to know the type of bogies for them or where I can buy some. I recall finding some info on Google a while back, but I didn't seem to bookmark or keep any record of their name. I recently searched again but had no luck.

Any help is greatly appreciated

Cheers,
Wayne

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  M636C Minister for Railways

Hello everyone.

I am currently scratchbuilding carriage 708 'Cape Byron Club Car' for my Ritz Rail consist and I need to know the type of bogies for them or where I can buy some. I recall finding some info on Google a while back, but I didn't seem to bookmark or keep any record of their name. I recently searched again but had no luck.

Any help is greatly appreciated

Cheers,
Wayne
Trainguy01

I don't know of any local versions, but Walthers do a nice Pullman type 43-R truck:

http://www.internettrains.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IT&Product_Code=920-2120&Category_Code=HSCRLSRTRWALPAS&Featured=

The SAR bogie was a copy of this design....

It differs in some details...

M636C
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

http://www.endofthelinehobbies.com.au/news

I would contact End of the line hobbies .

I remember hearing not long ago that you could buy the SAR steel class bogies through them .

There was someone in Adelaide making them and selling them through the hobby shop
  allan Chief Commissioner

I don't know of any local versions, but Walthers do a nice Pullman type 43-R truck:

http://www.internettrains.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IT&Product_Code=920-2120&Category_Code=HSCRLSRTRWALPAS&Featured=

The SAR bogie was a copy of this design....

It differs in some details...
M636C
The differences are very considerable...

The 700 cars were much lighter than the Pullman cars (I suspect!). The 700 bogies are only 8', and much lighter and simpler than the Pullman trucks. The BGB 700 class bogies (now unavailable) were good. Red Hen bogies, if available, may be able to be modified.

My understanding is that Trainbuilder is taking orders for ex-SAR steel cars, and they may sell the bogies as spares.
  M636C Minister for Railways

I don't know of any local versions, but Walthers do a nice Pullman type 43-R truck:

http://www.internettrains.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IT&Product_Code=920-2120&Category_Code=HSCRLSRTRWALPAS&Featured=

The SAR bogie was a copy of this design....

It differs in some details...
The differences are very considerable...

The 700 cars were much lighter than the Pullman cars (I suspect!). The 700 bogies are only 8', and much lighter and simpler than the Pullman trucks. The BGB 700 class bogies (now unavailable) were good. Red Hen bogies, if available, may be able to be modified.

My understanding is that Trainbuilder is taking orders for ex-SAR steel cars, and they may sell the bogies as spares.
allan
I think the 43-R are 8' 6" wheelbase, so an error of 1.7mm might need to be considered.

The outside brake cylinders would have to be removed for a 700 class but they appear to be an addition on the Walthers model and could be removed  relatively easily.

Otherwise the appearance of the bogie is very close. You might fill the access holes in the Pullman sideframe, but the full elliptic secondary springs and the coil primary springs are very similar to those on the 700 and 800 bogie.

The fact that the 43-R had a complex triple bolster is not externally visible, and it isn't there on the model anyway...

The GSC cast frame is, if anything, slightly smaller than the fabricated 700 class frame.

As to a name, these bogies were used on Southern Pacific cars in the very late 1930s and were sometimes called "Challenger" bogies after the fast sitting car train on the Overland route. The "Challenger" used SP articulated fluted side Pullman cars painted Pullman green that had these bogies.

M636C
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
SAR model Challenger
  allan Chief Commissioner

Yes, I overlooked those. They have the same frame as 700 class bogies, but the sprung bearing boxes are different. They will be the closest available bogies.

http://www.endofthelinehobbies.com.au/railway/ho-hon3-hon35-187/bogies-and-wheels/display/2582-bogie-ho-sarmodel-challenger-800-850-860-bogies-ho

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