Leigh Creek Coal Train - The End Is Nigh

 
  brianph Locomotive Driver

Location: Bethany
It has happened.
NEM Watch is showing NO brown coal generated power in SA. Yesterday it was showing 200MW of brown coal sourced generation, about one Northern unit at 80%, today nothing. Gas burn has increased to compensate.

Wait for the brown outs, load shedding and blackouts!

Ian
steam4ian

"We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,

Before the year is out."


The Aust Energy Market Operator doesn't see any problem in shutting down Pt Augusta.  May be it's only old-school engineers who lament the passing of last century's technology.


Sorry guys, I get emotional about this.
First day without coal fired power and the wind farms can only produce 384MW out of their almost 1500MW capacity. Reason too much wind.

At one stage even the diesel generators kicked in.


SA in sinking, the first place to be able to build submarines under water.



Ian
steam4ian
It might be more appropriate to get emotional about a disappearing Great Barrier Reef - and shut down a few more coal-fired power stations.

We'd better do ti quickly too - before rising sea levels do put the submarine facility under water.

Brian

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  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
On the day we shut down one coal fired power station, China and India opened 2 each.   Fortunately that works out well for our coal exporters.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
On the day we shut down one coal fired power station, China and India opened 2 each.   Fortunately that works out well for our coal exporters.
Donald
And the rest of the story please.......especially in regard to China.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

On the day we shut down one coal fired power station, China and India opened 2 each.   Fortunately that works out well for our coal exporters.
Donald
But not for Leigh Creek, where 'digging up dirt' is an accurate descriptor rather than a euphemism for mining.
  AN830 Locomotive Driver

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Looks like the AK cars will be heading out to Leigh Creek on Friday the 1st of July.

Also control of the Leigh Creek Line and the Line to the former Power Station has passed from Pacific National to Downer.

https://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TAA/Files/0626-2016.PDF?853873762
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
I'm pretty sure that Downer has been doing perway maintenance for the Leigh Creek line for quite some time. PacNat ran the trains but I don't think they ever did anything below-rail.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I'm pretty sure that Downer has been doing perway maintenance for the Leigh Creek line for quite some time. PacNat ran the trains but I don't think they ever did anything below-rail.
LancedDendrite
Going by the wording "control" PacNat has withdrawn their train control In this line.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I'm pretty sure that Downer has been doing perway maintenance for the Leigh Creek line for quite some time. PacNat ran the trains but I don't think they ever did anything below-rail.
LancedDendrite
Going by the wording "control" PacNat has withdrawn their train control In this line.
Nightfire
Controlling trains on that line sounds like the easiest job in the world!
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I'm pretty sure that Downer has been doing perway maintenance for the Leigh Creek line for quite some time. PacNat ran the trains but I don't think they ever did anything below-rail.
Going by the wording "control" PacNat has withdrawn their train control In this line.
Controlling trains on that line sounds like the easiest job in the world!
justapassenger
Well the only interfacing with "other" trains would be to cross the ARTC controlled DIRN at Stirling North on each trip, as well any maintenance crews that maybe out that way, so not much traffic at all.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
On the day we shut down one coal fired power station, China and India opened 2 each.   Fortunately that works out well for our coal exporters.
Donald
Seeing as how you failed to answer last time, you can off course back this up with figures and not Facebook memes?

700 power stations each per year - not even 'avin a larf. Just pure redneck bollocks.

Razz
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
On the day we shut down one coal fired power station, China and India opened 2 each.   Fortunately that works out well for our coal exporters.
Seeing as how you failed to answer last time, you can off course back this up with figures and not Facebook memes?

700 power stations each per year - not even 'avin a larf. Just pure redneck bollocks.

Razz
bingley hall
[color=#00aaab]According to a new Greenpeace analysis, in the first nine months of 2015 China’s central and provincial governments issued environmental approvals to 155 coal-fired power plants [/color] that’s four per week.

Ok, I was a bit extreme, but none the less somewhere in the ball park.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
On the day we shut down one coal fired power station, China and India opened 2 each.   Fortunately that works out well for our coal exporters.
Seeing as how you failed to answer last time, you can off course back this up with figures and not Facebook memes?

700 power stations each per year - not even 'avin a larf. Just pure redneck bollocks.

Razz
[color=#00aaab]According to a new Greenpeace analysis, in the first nine months of 2015 China’s central and provincial governments issued environmental approvals to 155 coal-fired power plants [/color] that’s four per week.

Ok, I was a bit extreme, but none the less somewhere in the ball park.
Donald
2015 is so last year http://http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-power-coal-idUSKCN0WQ0ZD Razz
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Can we offer to run coal trains from the Latrobe Valley to Stirling North. Rolling Eyes
Sorry about:
  • The break of gauge
YM-Mundrabilla
When Leigh Creek coal went over the break of gauge, the Premier Playford, devised a system whereby Narrow Gauge wagons were emptied into Broad Gauge trucks. Would surely work with BG and SG wagons.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I'm pretty sure that Downer has been doing perway maintenance for the Leigh Creek line for quite some time. PacNat ran the trains but I don't think they ever did anything below-rail.
Going by the wording "control" PacNat has withdrawn their train control In this line.
Controlling trains on that line sounds like the easiest job in the world!
Well the only interfacing with "other" trains would be to cross the ARTC controlled DIRN at Stirling North on each trip, as well any maintenance crews that maybe out that way, so not much traffic at all.
Pressman
Not any more, the connections have been straight-lined by ARTC.

I guess there must be some rule somewhere saying that somebody has to be responsible for controlling trains which don't exist.
  Bob K Station Master

Location: East of Port Pirie
Hi all,

The first auction at Playford Power Station at Port Augusta will occur over the 21st and 22nd June 2016 by MGS Auctioneers. The advertisement has appeared this week in one of our local papers.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hello;
I have also read, from the NRM magazine "Catchpoint", that there will be a Steamrail heritage train tour from Melbourne to the flinders ranges and return via adelaide and port augusta this october.
Anyone else heard anything along these lines or know any more details?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Hi all,

The first auction at Playford Power Station at Port Augusta will occur over the 21st and 22nd June 2016 by MGS Auctioneers. The advertisement has appeared this week in one of our local papers.
Bob K
It's been a very busy time for Mason Gray Auctions, they've been liquidating lots of Adelaide businesses recently and now the Port Augusta power station.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Hi all,

The first auction at Playford Power Station at Port Augusta will occur over the 21st and 22nd June 2016 by MGS Auctioneers. The advertisement has appeared this week in one of our local papers.
It's been a very busy time for Mason Gray Auctions, they've been liquidating lots of Adelaide businesses recently and now the Port Augusta power station.
don_dunstan

DAY 1 - TUESDAY 21ST JUNE 2016 AT 10:00 AM
Electrical Rewind Shop, Woodwork & Fibre Glass Shop, Electrical Stores, Motors (10-3,000 kW), Complete Machine Shop & Fitting, Complete Metal Fabrication Shop & Welding
https://www.mgs.net.au/auction/catalogue.html?d=2163
DAY 2 - WEDNESDAY 22ND JUNE 2016 AT 10:00 AM
Steel Stock Yard, Boiler Pipe Stock & Stores, Paint & Tinsmiths Shop, Paint & Grit Blasting Booths & Shop, Salvage Steel / Pipe / Equipment, Tubemakers Store, Motors, Parts, Diesel Fire Pump Sets, Complete Automotive Light & Heavy Vehicle Shop
https://www.mgs.net.au/auction/catalogue.html?d=2164


So everything for small hot water urns to filing cabinets to 3,500kW 6.6kV motors
  Ads Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Hi.
I am curious as to the reasoning why the AK cars will soon be having a trip out to Leigh Creek.

I find it a little surprising but assume it is because the line is considered 'suspended/mothballed' as opposed to 'closed'; however is there really any chance of another train running on this line again in the future?

To the uninformed and ignorant, the upcoming AK cars run seems a bit redundant at this stage.



Over to you, the voice of reason..........
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Hi.
I am curious as to the reasoning why the AK cars will soon be having a trip out to Leigh Creek.

I find it a little surprising but assume it is because the line is considered 'suspended/mothballed' as opposed to 'closed'; however is there really any chance of another train running on this line again in the future?

To the uninformed and ignorant, the upcoming AK cars run seems a bit redundant at this stage.



Over to you, the voice of reason..........
Ads
At least two companies looking at it for future use.

Not convinced either will succeed, but better to keep the line up to scratch until we know more.

Or maybe just Alinta using the data to prove that the line is being handed back in original or better condition.

....didn't someone earlier in this thread allude to there being no access to the line Laughing
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Hi.
I am curious as to the reasoning why the AK cars will soon be having a trip out to Leigh Creek.

I find it a little surprising but assume it is because the line is considered 'suspended/mothballed' as opposed to 'closed'; however is there really any chance of another train running on this line again in the future?

To the uninformed and ignorant, the upcoming AK cars run seems a bit redundant at this stage.



Over to you, the voice of reason..........
At least two companies looking at it for future use.

Not convinced either will succeed, but better to keep the line up to scratch until we know more.

Or maybe just Alinta using the data to prove that the line is being handed back in original or better condition.

....didn't someone earlier in this thread allude to there being no access to the line Laughing
bingley hall
One final check prior to the line being disconnected maybe? That way the data is on record for future use if needed?

Yes there may also be a cost by Alintia for condition of line at end of contract? ie pay for rail wear etc.
  Ads Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
^
Fair points made there. Thanks for your replies.

Is it too hard to tell at this stage whether or not this week's AK cars trip will be the last train to run on the line for the foreseeable future?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
^
Fair points made there. Thanks for your replies.

Is it too hard to tell at this stage whether or not this week's AK cars trip will be the last train to run on the line for the foreseeable future?
Ads
Not too hard at all.

There are no coal trains. There is no other freight. End of.

Unless as noted above one of these other freight flows start up, but there is no timeframe for either of those to happen at the moment. Someone was talking about a trial run for one of them earlier this year, but nothing seen yet.

One group is planning a heritage trip to Leigh Ck later in the year - they still have a lot of hurdles to clear.
  5915 Chief Commissioner

Not exactly rail related but readers may be interested that the spot price of power to the SA grid is presently (1900hrs) at over $3000/MW compared to between 176 and $200 in other states.  Moreover, production from liquid fuel (presumably diesel) is quite close to that of wind (around 180 MW) while gas is something around 1700 MW.  Now I realise that it is peak demand and the wind does often blow sufficiently to supply much of SA's requirements, it may just show that going "green" does come at a price when you can't make up shortfalls from interstate imports.

5915

http://www.aemo.com.au/
http://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hello;
I have also read, from the NRM magazine "Catchpoint", that there will be a Steamrail heritage train tour from Melbourne to the flinders ranges and return via adelaide and port augusta this october.
Anyone else heard anything along these lines or know any more details?

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