Rosie Batty views on the Sanaya Sahib murder

 
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
If that's your understanding that's your problem, not hers.

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  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I would be equally outraged at those people too, but this woman killed a baby, HER OWN BABY, she doesn't deserve to be free of that crime ever.

Exactly my thoughts on the matter.

Why do ANYONE believe this crime is acceptable in any context?  If Rosie Batty was serious about her views about Family Violence why not come out and say something about the incident aiding in our understanding that she is not one sided and heavily critical of men, but also critical of females when they are to blame.
JimYarin
Sorry, I must say what an absolute crap argument. To question Rosie Batty's views about Family violence is questionable at best and downright offensive at worst. We men must face facts. The overwhelming majority of family violence is carried out by men. Sofina Nikat killing of her baby is a disgusting and vile crime and unfortunately she will not be the last mother to do so. In the face of tragedy I find this "Oh women do it as well and are as bad" absolute crap. Because they are not. Remember what Rosie Batty has gone through. Seeing her son being bludgeoned to death by his dad. To question her integrity to justify some rubbish argument is low in my opinion.

Michael
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

The subject of family violence will always be an emotional one and as such there will be many views. Rosie batty in some way has also been a pawn in the raising of awareness of family violence. She has not necessarily been the main player as the movement is behind the scenes.

There are equivalent male movements too in this case anonymous who campaign for fathers rights in situations where fathers have been wrong persecuted.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Michael, you're wrong, and you need to face the facts. Rosie Batty didn't see what you say she saw, she was there, that's not disputable, but she didn't see it happen, that is not disputable, as she stated such.

Anyone who kills a child is just as bad, gender on either side is not (and cannot be) mitigation, to suggest such is plainly foolish. Women who commit infanticide* are just as bad as men who do, there is no worse, there is no better, it's all 'same, same' and there is no 'but different'.

*or ANY other crime for that matter, for any crime, either side of gender has no claim to legitimacy over the other. Gender gives no right to be less responsible for the same action, equality is what equality is.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Michael, you're wrong, and you need to face the facts. Rosie Batty didn't see what you say she saw, she was there, that's not disputable, but she didn't see it happen, that is not disputable, as she stated such.

Anyone who kills a child is just as bad, gender on either side is not (and cannot be) mitigation, to suggest such is plainly foolish. Women who commit infanticide* are just as bad as men who do, there is no worse, there is no better, it's all 'same, same' and there is no 'but different'.

*or ANY other crime for that matter, for any crime, either side of gender has no claim to legitimacy over the other. Gender gives no right to be less responsible for the same action, equality is what equality is.
Aaron
Pardon me. Yes Rosie Batty did not see what the crime and I apologise for making that assumption.

From stating this
"Oh women do it as well and are as bad" absolute crap. Because they are not.

You write this.
Women who commit infanticide* are just as bad as men who do, there is no worse, there is no better, it's all 'same, same' and there is no 'but different'.

Never said anything to the contrary. I did say that the crime committed by that mother was vile. I was making a statement about Gender. And I was sticking up for Rose Batty, a women who has shown so much bravery that you and I will never know. If she is critical of men, then we should collectively suck it up and not smeg and moan about unfair treatment from a woman who has just lost her child. Killed by the very man who should nurture and protect him.  I mean really!! To those who want to use the tragic killing of baby Sanaya as an argument to discredit Rose Batty should grow a pair and will not get any sympathy from me. My sympathy is with the Families, that have to bury their daughters, their grandsons, their grandaughters, brothers, sisters, because of some f___knuckle partner. It is men commit the vast majority of family crimes not women. Women and children are in the vast majority of cases the victims not men!!! And she has stated an indisputable fact. That we men are more disposed to violence!! And if we as men do not acknowledge that, then this stain on our society will never be addressed.

Michael
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

Rosie batty did not witness the crime as you call it and after the tragic event being later that evening she was on television saying what a great father the murderer was. This then went from compassion to something else once the domestic violence agitators got a hold. This then turned to a family violence agenda. The real sad side of this story is the father was ill. He was mentally ill.   It was NOT a case of family violence. It was a case of a human being suffering a mental illness and making some terrible judgements.

As a female I have been angry when have heard people say the feminist movement got hold of Rosie batty (the mother from Langwarrin). No feminist would be involved in this political agenda. Feminists seek equality.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Rosie Batty views....... Is the title.

My observations, are, she has not expressed any. Nor, is she obliged to.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
But she is the voice of domestic violence and her silence is deafening.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
But she is the voice of domestic violence and her silence is deafening.
"Donald"
Baloney; absolute baloney.
  1771D Junior Train Controller

I'd really like to see this thread wound up as it's become quite pointless.

There are many out there who did not agree with Rosie Batty being named Australian of the year, and this I believe, is somehow influencing the views being expressed here.  I am equally frustrated with the award being given to those promoting perceived "PC" causes, and also sports stars, when there are likely far more worthy recipients.

I see Rosie Batty as an incredibly brave person, who has experienced trauma far greater than most of us ever will, and wish her well in her campaign against the evils of domestic violence.  I hope her message somehow has a positive influence within our diverse community, as this issue is not confined to one particular race, sex or creed, and should not be ignored due to the inconvenience of the truth, especially when children are involved.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'd really like to see this thread wound up as it's become quite pointless.
"1771D"
Absolutely spot on; you are 100% correct.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I have enjoyed reading Te various views on the thread without any animosity which has been nice. What do you feel the need to silence is all ?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I have enjoyed reading Te various views on the thread without any animosity which has been nice. What do you feel the need to silence is all ?
"freightgate"


Rosie Batty is good/bad; too noisy/quiet; should/shouldn't say more, and so it goes on, getting absolutely nowhere. For God's sake leave her alone.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
We don't need to close every civilized thread (which this one still is) just because someone doesn't like the topic or 'it goes on and on'. At the end of the day you have the ultimate ability to ignore or not read the thread if you're not interested... Rolling Eyes
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Rosie Batty is good/bad; too noisy/quiet; should/shouldn't say more, and so it goes on, getting absolutely nowhere. For God's sake leave her alone.
Valvegear
I don't understand why people like Mark Latham have such a problem with her; you don't have to agree 100% with everything she says.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I don't understand why people like Mark Latham have such a problem with her; you don't have to agree 100% with everything she says.
"don_dunstan"
Show me anyone who understands Latham; for that matter, show me anyone who cares what Latham says.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Latham is a nut job alright, good thing he didn't end up in the lodge.

Still amused by him nearly pulling little Johnny's arm off, whilst shaking his hand, though.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Show me anyone who understands Latham; for that matter, show me anyone who cares what Latham says.
Valvegear

Someone at the Seven Network clearly does, they continue to annoy viewers by having him espouse his stupid views on Sunrise...
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

Rosie batty is most definitely considered the mouthpiece on domestic or family violence although I cannot myself find any reference to her staying in any reports she was a victim herself. The comment above is quite fit in she has been absolutely quiet.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Rosie batty is most definitely considered the mouthpiece on domestic or family violence although I cannot myself find any reference to her staying in any reports she was a victim herself. The comment above is quite fit in she has been absolutely quiet.
MetroFemme
Bollocks.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Rosie batty is most definitely considered the mouthpiece on domestic or family violence although I cannot myself find any reference to her staying in any reports she was a victim herself. The comment above is quite fit in she has been absolutely quiet.
"MetroFemme"
Baloney; absolute baloney.
  doridori Chief Commissioner

Rosie Batty disgusts me.
To put herself and her agenda in front of the primary victim and prospective other victims says it all.
The greatest victim of domestic violence is NOT females, yet children!
She didn't die, unlike the real victim, Luke!

Yet I digress, hatred resolves nothing, understanding and appreciation for the irrational behaviour and actions is what's ultimately required to advance to a state of diminishing violence across all spectrum's, not PC minority groups 'look at me' mentality.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Rosie Batty disgusts me.

To put herself and her agenda in front of the primary victim and prospective other victims says it all.

The greatest victim of domestic violence is NOT females, yet children!

She didn't die, unlike the real victim, Luke!
"doridort"
She disgusts you because she highlighted domestic violence? It may have escaped your notice that it was a little difficult for Luke to say much after being killed. But, notwithstanding this, according to you, his mother should have stayed quiet.
What crackpot agenda are you pursuing?
  doridori Chief Commissioner

Rosie Batty disgusts me.

To put herself and her agenda in front of the primary victim and prospective other victims says it all.

The greatest victim of domestic violence is NOT females, yet children!

She didn't die, unlike the real victim, Luke!
She disgusts you because she highlighted domestic violence? It may have escaped your notice that it was a little difficult for Luke to say much after being killed. But, notwithstanding this, according to you, his mother should have stayed quiet.
What crackpot agenda are you pursuing?
Valvegear
And this reply demonstrates why I've been MIA here.
The message is simple, she is representing an agenda for females.
The victim is male and a child.
Sex is ultimately irrelevant, yet is what folks focus upon.
Oh well, lets play silly little mind games, rather than seek to address issues, all the while, enabling violence against the most vulnerable, children, continue.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The message is simple, she is representing an agenda for females.
"doridori"

She is representing an anti-domestic violence agenda.
You yourself have just written that the death of her child was what started her off.
Violence is violence no matter the gender and/or age of the victim; that's what Rosie Batty is fighting.I don't know what rock you've been hiding under, but you should have been listening to what she has to say. Unfortunately. you represent the mob who like to cut down tall poppies - I've never understood this particular syndrome. Perhaps you should seek some professional help.

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