Katoomba, O/H wire removed from UP Refuge?

 
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
I was watching a video of a Steam run departing Katoomba when I noticed there was no wire in the stanchions over the UP Refuge, I reran the clip a couple of times to ensure I wasnt seeing things.
I have no idea when the video was shot as there was no date shown on it or in the accompanying article.
The Camera was about 5 metres back from the end of the UP platform looking towards Sydney and you could clearly see curve of the Up Refuge beside the brick wall of the Subway.
Am I NOT seeing things, is it an optical illusion or have they removed the O/Head wire and if so, WHEN ??

If it has gone, thats a pretty fair indication they dont intend to build and run any electric powered locomotives any time soon, does it !!!

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  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
When they extended the loop at Katoomba they didn't redo the overhead. Might be a bit short sighted, but the railways of today like to have the barest minimum of infrastructure.

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
When they extended the loop at Katoomba they didn't redo the overhead. Might be a bit short sighted, but the railways of today like to have the barest minimum of infrastructure.

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Grantham
Not the least bit shortsighted.

The new freight line north of Sydney has been electrified as has one of the freight loops at Gosford just so Sydney Trains can put the mockers on everything - will the Feds ask for a refund?
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
When they extended the loop at Katoomba they didn't redo the overhead. Might be a bit short sighted, but the railways of today like to have the barest minimum of infrastructure.

M
Grantham
They didn't actually "extend the loop". Rather, when the level crossing was closed, they combined the bits of the refuge loop east and west of that old level crossing, making it longer. IIRC, one crossover was removed.
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

The overhead was removed at least 18 months ago, well before the refuge was extended.All that happened in October was the refuge extended out to 920 metres and control of the interlocking transferred to Blacktown.
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

All that happened in October was the refuge extended out to 920 metres and control of the interlocking transferred to Blacktown.
As well as substantial resignalling. Is there a crossover to the Down Main at the country end of the extended loop?
NSWRcars
No, so to put a down train into the refuge requires a substantial amount of shunting to get it back out.The only resignalling was to remove the Down starter and put in a couple of extra shunt signals.
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
When they extended the loop at Katoomba they didn't redo the overhead. Might be a bit short sighted, but the railways of today like to have the barest minimum of infrastructure.

M
They didn't actually "extend the loop". Rather, when the level crossing was closed, they combined the bits of the refuge loop east and west of that old level crossing, making it longer. IIRC, one crossover was removed.
awsgc24
Wow, the loop that was until recently 700 metres long can now hold a 900 metre long train, and there are new bits of track and things and less bits of wire and things. I seem to recall that when they took the crossing out at Katoomba in the late 70s the up refuge was still electrified - until the loop was recently extended.

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  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
They didn't actually "extend the loop". Rather, when the level crossing was closed, they combined the bits of the refuge loop east and west of that old level crossing, making it longer.
The loop was extended to the west, last year, and the overhead wiring removed.
NSWRcars

So, the loop was extended twice, from 400m to 700m and more recently to 900m. What about 1500m long trains?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

They didn't actually "extend the loop". Rather, when the level crossing was closed, they combined the bits of the refuge loop east and west of that old level crossing, making it longer.
The loop was extended to the west, last year, and the overhead wiring removed.

So, the loop was extended twice, from 400m to 700m and more recently to 900m. What about 1500m long trains?
awsgc24
Most 1500 metre trains travel west on the down so it is not an issue. Otherwise, just have to live with the limitations of the Blue Mountains line. I don't know why the original extension is in issue as that was done nearly 50 years ago.
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
They didn't actually "extend the loop". Rather, when the level crossing was closed, they combined the bits of the refuge loop east and west of that old level crossing, making it longer.
The loop was extended to the west, last year, and the overhead wiring removed.

So, the loop was extended twice, from 400m to 700m and more recently to 900m. What about 1500m long trains?
Most 1500 metre trains travel west on the down so it is not an issue. Otherwise, just have to live with the limitations of the Blue Mountains line. I don't know why the original extension is in issue as that was done nearly 50 years ago.
nswtrains
1500 metre long trains on the down are carefully pathed, and are not much slower (actually they're mostly faster) than passenger trains as they are mostly empty. The longest train on the up is 1268 metres long and is also carefully pathed. If it runs off path it can cross trains at Valley Heights and on the bi-di in the Ten Tunnels. Rather unsurprisingly they can't cross trains at Katoomba or Lawson. Does that answer the question?

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