X'Trapolis trains in the north/west

 
  onyx Locomotive Fireman

G'Day all,

Today I happened to spot an X'Trapolis heading towards North Melbourne Station from the northern/western suburbs end, I couldn't quite tell where it would've originated from as it was well past the Craigeburn and Upfield junctions, but it was heading into platform 3, not that it would be of any real substance which platform it was heading towards. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knows anything about it, and if Metro are trialling out X'Trapolis trains out north/west.

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  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Yes, they apparently have been testing them on the Sunbury line, see this thread. As part of the Bayside Rail Upgrades they might be testing them to Werribee.

I believe X'Traps can also be stabled at Flemington Racecourse during the day, so it may have been a movement from there.
  ngrundy Station Staff

It's pretty common for there to be a X'Trap in the yards at the Craigieburn workshops.  I'm never close enough to get unit numbers off of it so no idea if it's the same set or different sets rotating through the yard.  That said, it may have been a set coming from or heading to Craigieburn.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Restricted to 90km/h still? It will make their timings slower on Sunbury/Werribee.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Restricted to 90km/h still? It will make their timings slower on Sunbury/Werribee.
don_dunstan
X-Trap set sen heading City Bound at Essendon station . "Not In Service "at 1530hrs today .
  Flygon Train Controller

Location: Australia
Restricted to 90km/h still? It will make their timings slower on Sunbury/Werribee.
don_dunstan
90km/h on 160km/h track, no less. Confused
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Restricted to 90km/h still? It will make their timings slower on Sunbury/Werribee.
90km/h on 160km/h track, no less. Confused
Flygon
Apparently Metro demanded that the speed restriction be removed.  The union said "Nyet" because they reckon the brakes aren't up to it.  And so it's off to the Fair Work commission...

In the meantime the 90 km/h limit remains until a decision is made.

Source: https://mtmmemes.wordpress.com/2016/06/26/metro-removing-safety-restrictions-without-doing-anything-to-fix-the-problem/
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Maybe someone needs to do a brake test after hours with an equivalent full load weight with sand bags etc and demonstrate clearly with proof WTF for once and for all on this issue??
If it passes,  ban lifted. It fails fix them all of them or the ban stays.
Then take your evidence to support your case or otherwise at the Fair Work Commission for a ruling.

Regards
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

The tests were done, which was the cause of the original restriction.
No further tests have been performed, and no modifications have been made to the trains yet Metro says the restriction no longer applies.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Are you sure it's the brakes? I thought I heard some years ago that it was the lack of an airbag suspension meaning there was a danger it could bounce off the tracks above 90km/h. I believe that Connex originally specified they be built that way as a budgetary measure because they didn't operate any parts of the network that required speeds above 90km/h - so they went for coil springs rather than airbags... someone with more intimate knowledge of the situation might correct me? They don't call 'em X'trampolines for nothing... boing, boing, boing.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
They don't call 'em X'trampolines for nothing... boing, boing, boing.
don_dunstan

I've heard them called lots of things, but that's a new one to me.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
They don't call 'em X'trampolines for nothing... boing, boing, boing.

I've heard them called lots of things, but that's a new one to me.
lkernan
It's probably a sad Railpage 'in' joke. But as a passenger you certainly do notice the difference between X'traps and Siemens at speed; even the Hitachis had a much better ride.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
The Harris trains don't have airbag suspension either, yet they are allowed to do 115 km/h on the V/Line network (with an N class at the front; I have absolutely no idea if they ever hit 70 mph in the old scale when they were blue) and are pushing sixty years old. Likewise, the N sets can also do 115. IIRC the X'Trapolis brake problem was because the braking curve was a bee's d!ck out of whack above a certain speed, which if a truck immediately got in a train's way at >100 km/h it wouldn't make a lick of difference anyway, see 306M and friends.
  randomnarwhal Locomotive Driver

There seems to have been an infestation of Xtrapolii at Macauley depot. Three sets (116M being the only one I could read) occupying the former Hitachi roads.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
There seems to have been an infestation of Xtrapolii at Macauley depot. Three sets (116M being the only one I could read) occupying the former Hitachi roads.
randomnarwhal
It might have something to do with the current Box Hill - Belgrave/Lilydale Level Crossing occupations this week which would limit access to stabling yards along those lines.

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