Federal Election 2016

 
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I was very pleased with Chris Bowen's 'treatment' of Sarah Hanson-Young last night. If the ALP change leader, they could do worse than install him.

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Mr Harvey said the last PM who was able to run the country effectively was John Howard, who governed for 11 years and with a majority in both houses from 2004 to 2007.

Thoughts?
x31
Gerry Harvey only cares about Gerry Harvey and the fact that consumers probably aren't tramping into his shops while everything is up in the air. He would love to have a benevolent dictator right up until the moment that they lock him up...
Is this thread willing to concede the Libs and nationals cannot win government at least in majority ?
freightgate
It's still looking likely isn't it. Credit to Malcolm where it's due though, he was apparently on the phone to the cross-benchers ages before Shorten even thought about doing it.

McGowan and Wilkie have already said that they will not help anyone form government.
I was very pleased with Chris Bowen's 'treatment' of Sarah Hanson-Young last night. If the ALP change leader, they could do worse than install him.
Aaron
I've always liked Bowen and (to a lesser extent) Albo. I think they picked the wrong one when they installed Shorten.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I've always liked Bowen and (to a lesser extent) Albo. I think they picked the wrong one when they installed Shorten.
don_dunstan
We all know Shorten was the intermediate leader for the first term of govt after they lost power as the likely hood of winning after one term is usually very low. So put Shorten in while they recoup from the fall out, gain a few seats next election and build experience and test new comers into senior roles and hit them hard in 2019. Only TA and MT have enabled them to win power and if they do, I fell it will be like Qld which also has a govt we weren't supposed to have, ie no idea on what to do.
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

I've always liked Bowen and (to a lesser extent) Albo. I think they picked the wrong one when they installed Shorten.
don_dunstan

You think? lol

Hanson also said she didn't think MT or Curly would make good Prime Ministers so time will tell who she supports.
Labor are in bed with the Greens and they don't fit Hanson's immigration policies, and Liberal (Abbott especially) were the people behind sending her to prison, so she really has as many options as we the voters have on who to support.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Antony green from abc states the AEC vote count is wrong and the seats will be tied at 73 a piece.

Maybe we will go back to the polls ?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The ABC's view of the world.

  woodford Chief Commissioner

Antony green from abc states the AEC vote count is wrong and the seats will be tied at 73 a piece.

Maybe we will go back to the polls ?
freightgate
73 seats would be the best possible outcome, it being the one that makes both major parties squirm the most.

We will VERY unlikely be going back to the polls, the election has blown up in the face of the liberal party and I think that will cure most tendencies to call an election unless they are 100% sure of the outcome.

What they are going to HAVE to do is start actually listening and talking to people, rather than just bulldozing ideas down peoples throats.

I do not like politics but this outcome is great watching them now all puddling around in the mess that they themselves have caused. They have no one to blame but themselves, but one simply CANNOT (Note 1) see them learning from there mistakes.

Note 1: This is too absolute and I would like to give anyone the benefit of the doubt but really its hard to see how they will raise themselves out of this mess.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

A passing comment. I have talked to quite a few politicians both state and federal and they all come across as sensible intelligent people, but then something like this happens. Do these people turn off there brains when anyone says there party name.................... walks away shaking head.............

woodford
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Channel 10 Project on a promo asked who's running the country at the moment - A bunch of monkeys are!(1)
1. What am I saying?, monkeys would do a better job & have control of parliament - & they'd be there for us!

UK had a result in two hours or less - yet we are still waiting days & days & days to see.
So, they're still not going to use computers to count the results in 2016?

In other news, it seems as those "No cuts to the ABC" lie by Tony Abbott has this time claimed The Drum website.

According to Bill Shorten, he claims their COULD be a snap election again.

Let's hope ALL politicians learn a lesson from this.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Antony green from abc states the AEC vote count is wrong and the seats will be tied at 73 a piece.

Maybe we will go back to the polls ?
73 seats would be the best possible outcome, it being the one that makes both major parties squirm the most.

We will VERY unlikely be going back to the polls, the election has blown up in the face of the liberal party and I think that will cure most tendencies to call an election unless they are 100% sure of the outcome.

What they are going to HAVE to do is start actually listening and talking to people, rather than just bulldozing ideas down peoples throats.

I do not like politics but this outcome is great watching them now all puddling around in the mess that they themselves have caused. They have no one to blame but themselves, but one simply CANNOT (Note 1) see them learning from there mistakes.

Note 1: This is too absolute and I would like to give anyone the benefit of the doubt but really its hard to see how they will raise themselves out of this mess.

woodford
woodford
At 73 a piece, its unlikely any govt will last or be functional.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


There is plenty of evidence that laws requiring voter identification are discriminatory, and there will not be an attempt to introduce it in Australia as it would be quickly struck down in the courts.
justapassenger
WTF? How is requiring voter identification discriminatory? And what is this evidence.

I need to provide photographic ID to get a drink or gamble (up to certain age) and to perform numerous private and govt related transactions.

The ID is simply to get your named ticketed off the role, after that vote what ever way you like.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
UK had a result in two hours or less - yet we are still waiting days & days & days to see.
"Newcastle Express"
I take it you are aware that the UK vote was just a simple Yes or No. That's just a tad easier than preferences and quotas which are involved with our election. Maybe you should do a little study of how our votes are tallied, before making silly comparisons.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

UK had a result in two hours or less - yet we are still waiting days & days & days to see.
I take it you are aware that the UK vote was just a simple Yes or No. That's just a tad easier than preferences and quotas which are involved with our election
Valvegear
RTT_Rules was the first to make that comparison, but if they counted the votes via computers, you'd get a quicker result. They should be using computers to count the votes, no matter what the choices are at an election &/or referendum.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
A fully electronic voting system would tally the votes in a few seconds regardless of the type of vote. However while some some countries use this I tend to feel there is an issue of security. However the administration of the voters should be digitalised.

The reference to the UK Referendum, even their normal elections are relatively fast, they don't take two days off after an election with the count suspended and a Aust Referendum if close could be as drawn out as the current election using the current system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_by_country#United_Kingdom
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The UK (in fact near no nation) has voting and counting like we do. The Australian system of election is one of the most complicated in the world.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
RTT, consider the obvious, suppose someone doesn't have ID, now according to you they cannot vote, according to legislation they have to vote. Legislation wins, not RTT.

Compulsory ID discriminates against those without ID.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Most Australians cannot be bothered voting in the first place, what really makes you think many Australians really want to vote in the second place?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Actually, just on that thought, if the 'major' parties want to eliminate (or at least reduce the vote count of) the 'minor' parties, one of the easiest methods might be just non compulsory voting.

There is little doubt that the surge in minor party votes is stemmed by those not wanting to vote for the majors, but being 'required' to vote for 'someone'. Remove the requirement to rock up at the booth and you'll largely reduce the protest vote going to the minors.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Most Australian's have photographic ID and have to produce it for various govt and private transactions. For those who don't, there is (or was) a govt issued ID card available, brought out to enable young people without a drivers license to drink. So hardly an excuse not to vote. On polling day there would also be other ways around those without photographic ID that would at the same time prevent or curtail multiple voting.  So no excuse.

The voting system is only complicated in the tallying because its done manually and its not really that complicated, just a tallying exercise using less than a 10 line algorithm, the rest is not and easily improved to be more robust and secure.

My understanding is the LNP support non compulsory voting as the their traditional support typically are more likely to vote. The ALP however do not support non compulsory voting as their support is expected to shrink. However I do agree it would wipe out the minority parties alot more. This is where MT screwed up, by going DD, he wanted to clean up the Senate, but that reduced the quota down to 7.6%, which means any man and his dog can get in. Now these same minority winners are objecting to the likely outcome that they will get the 3 year term with Hinch threatening legal action.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
What ways around not having a photographic ID (which incidentally, a driver's license is not)? Now 70+ year olds that have had their license taken away on medical grounds etc (actually my 50 year old friend too for that matter) have to carry their original birth certificate, council rates notice, a utility bill and bank statement to vote?

Two weeks prior to register is unreasonable? It'll take some electors more than two weeks to dig up the qualifying ID documents.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Minor parties do better when voting is not compulsory. Their supporters tend to be more zealous and understand that each vote is important. A lot of supporters for major parties don't bother turning up because they think their one vote won't make a difference, and their choice is going to win anyway. This phenomenon is one explanation for the Brexit surprise, and happened in a presidential vote in France in 2002 when the first round of voting was on a sunny weekend and loads of Socialist voters went to the beach rather than vote, only to find all the National Front voters had voted and got their candidate through to the second round.
  Brianr Deputy Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Counting votes in the UK (First past the post) even in a normal election cannot be compared with Australia's preferential system for the House of Reps let alone the proportional system of the Senate. I was amazed back in the 70's when I was in London for an election that polls were being officially declared in electorates before we went to bed. In Australia the result may be obvious but official declarations take a long while.

While it is possible in Australia for a person to vote several times either pre poll, postal or at different boots, they would be caught and fined when the rolls are collated. It would be impossible to retrieve their votes but the number would be extremely small. Only a linked computer system would overcome that, increasingly possible but I am sure you have waited in a store while the salesperson apologises that the computer is slow today. It would make the lines longer.

My mother and I were diametrically opposed politically. As she got more frail (died aged 96 ten years ago today), I would fill in the postal vote for her and always joked did she really trust me to vote her preferences. Of course I always did even if it hurt. She signed but her eyesight was very poor. No election cannot be 100% safe from fraud, it just needs to be minimised as far as possible.

When working as a polling clerk we were instructed to ask "Have you voted anywhere else in this election?" I would have liked a dollar for everyone whose reply was something like "Once is enough", I would be a rich man today. Also many seemed to interpret it as "Have you ever voted before (in any election)?"
I must admit I felt like saying (but of course didn't) "Be thankful you have the right to vote"
I do like compulsory voting. At least in NZ the turnout is about 76% but worrying as it is well into the 80s for older people and only in the 60's for young people. In the USA it seems to be less than 50% overall
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
What ways around not having a photographic ID (which incidentally, a driver's license is not)?
Aaron

How so? I'm regularly asked for my DL as photographic ID.

Now 70+ year olds that have had their license taken away on medical grounds etc (actually my 50 year old friend too for that matter) have to carry their original birth certificate, council rates notice, a utility bill and bank statement to vote?
Aaron

They could get an Australia Post Keypass ID card http://auspost.com.au/travel-id/keypass-identity-card.html or a Proof of Age card http://www.australia.gov.au/content/proof-of-age-card
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
On one of the very few occasions I voted before leaving the UK, I was working in a pub in South London and was not enrolled to vote, but used the name of a Kiwi barman who was on the roll and had worked there and moved on six months beforehand.
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
ID required to vote in Australia? Solution looking for a problem.

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