Online train departure info at Southern Cross

 
  sbrvar Beginner

Took a while but split the thread, from this old one: https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11374528.htm DTHEAD, MOD




in this day and age - why can't they publish the data for which train leaves on which platform online? ie - there is this v/line app that has the information about "next 5" trains leaving - but i can't get the information on which platform - would it be such a stretch of imagination to also add this information?

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Hmm...3 years....the Mods will be impressed...Very Happy
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Hmm...3 years....the Mods will be impressed...Very Happy
The Vinelander
It still is though quite a problem, there's one good thing about living in NE Vic, the Albury train can only leave from 1 and 2 both on the same platform. It must drive VLine and Southern Cross insane that they cannot seriously stuff up the Albury service;).

woodford
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Leaving and departing from different platforms may also describe a well run and dynamic allocation of platforms at a busy station.

Using the monitors around the concourses makes it easy to find the train and therefore the platform.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
It must drive VLine and Southern Cross insane that they cannot seriously stuff up the Albury service;).

woodford
woodford
Perhaps not Southern Cross, but it's just as well that you put that smiley face at the end .....
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Hmm...3 years....the Mods will be impressed...Very Happy
The Vinelander
But a very good point and related to the original thread if not exactly on topic.

I have oft wondered why Vline cannot post departure platform on their website and/or app, it would be a great help when you are running for a train after getting off a Metro service - at least you would know which direction to head in!

BG
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

No one cares where trains arrive.  BUT  VLP would reduce their wheelwear issues significantly if they had dedicated platforms of departure that minimized cross moves and were passenger friendly .

Like 1 and  2  Loco hauled  Albury, Swan Hill,  Warrnambool, Geelong loco hauled peak
3 &  4  Melton, Bacchus Marsh, Ballaarat, Ararat, Maryborough
5 & 6  Kyneton, Bendigo, Eaglehawk, Epsom
7  & 8 Seymour, Shepparton, Geelong , Wyndamvale  shorts
15/16  Traralgon, Bairnsdale, Geelong, South Geelong, Waurn Ponds

Arrivals  -  Any thing going off to CMD arrive 1 or 2 push back
Anything to  RM  Depot  arrive 4, 5, 6 , 7 South push back .  

Above maximizes trains over  straight RRL lines and use of 15/16  decreasing wheelwear .
  woodford Chief Commissioner

It must drive VLine and Southern Cross insane that they cannot seriously stuff up the Albury service;).

woodford
Perhaps not Southern Cross, but it's just as well that you put that smiley face at the end .....
Lad_Porter
Its REALLY worth remembering that readers CANNOT see what you are thinking so its absolutely required to designate a reply with a graphical indication of what emotion you intend the reply to be read in.

The reply was intended to be humorous.............

woodford
  ConfuserCommuter Beginner

This is the reason there are easily read destination monitors at all the main entrances to the station.
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that's great...if you are entering the station from the external side.

I'm arriving in from SE, say, platform 12...I want a quick smooth switch to my Vline say Melton Ballarat..I have to run upstairs and back and forth  like a green-arsed fly looking up boards trying to find my new platform number?
there is no predictability, or looking it up on journey planner b4 I leave, like as if hopefully knowing your boarding gate in advance at an airport?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
This is the reason there are easily read destination monitors at all the main entrances to the station.
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that's great...if you are entering the station from the external side.

I'm arriving in from SE, say, platform 12...I want a quick smooth switch to my Vline say Melton Ballarat..I have to run upstairs and back and forth  like a green-arsed fly looking up boards trying to find my new platform number?
there is no predictability, or looking it up on journey planner b4 I leave, like as if hopefully knowing your boarding gate in advance at an airport?
ConfuserCommuter
Watch the use of chat speak mate as it not allowed here.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This is the reason there are easily read destination monitors at all the main entrances to the station.
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that's great...if you are entering the station from the external side.

I'm arriving in from SE, say, platform 12...I want a quick smooth switch to my Vline say Melton Ballarat..I have to run upstairs and back and forth  like a green-arsed fly looking up boards trying to find my new platform number?
there is no predictability, or looking it up on journey planner b4 I leave, like as if hopefully knowing your boarding gate in advance at an airport?
ConfuserCommuter

I guess one of the major issues being highlighted is the lack of a group of monitors within the MYKI ticket area which can direct commuters to their next service (similar to what is experienced at a Domestic or International Airport). I had not quite thought about that.

Does such a display exist within the Myki VLINE area?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
This is the reason there are easily read destination monitors at all the main entrances to the station.
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that's great...if you are entering the station from the external side.

I'm arriving in from SE, say, platform 12...I want a quick smooth switch to my Vline say Melton Ballarat..I have to run upstairs and back and forth  like a green-arsed fly looking up boards trying to find my new platform number?
there is no predictability, or looking it up on journey planner b4 I leave, like as if hopefully knowing your boarding gate in advance at an airport?

I guess one of the major issues being highlighted is the lack of a group of monitors within the MYKI ticket area which can direct commuters to their next service (similar to what is experienced at a Domestic or International Airport). I had not quite thought about that.

Does such a display exist within the Myki VLINE area?
bevans
From memory, no.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Airport terminals are very carefully designed to smooth passenger flow and even the locations of signs is carefully selected. Then the whole setup is usually tested in a closed terminal with hundreds of "test passengers" who are told to make their way from the front door to a variety of assigned departure gates. The whole process is closely watched, by observers on site and by video replay. The test passengers are also interviewed about their experience. Was it easy to find their gate? Was signage adequate and in the right places? Even questions about shops and cafes.

Later the results of the test run are collated, signage etc is changed and the results are added to the existing pool of knowledge, so future airport terminals will be even easier for passengers to circulate in.

Perhaps railway station designers should hire a few airport terminal designers to look over their plans and suggest improvements so we don't face the screw ups that Spencer Street Station has.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
From a recent cross country trip from Ballarat to Geelong via Southern Cross, finding the connecting platform wasn't physically easy (I have trouble walking distances).
The Ballarat train deposited me on platform 15. I then had to make my way to the Spencer Street/Collins Street concourse to locate the destination monitors, where I found that the connecting Geelong train left from platform 8s. I wasn't particularly happy as it meant backtracking to 8s.

The point is, there should be V/Line destination monitors at the top of the escalators from platforms 9-16 to save people having to trapse to the Collins Street ground level concourse.
It's not rocket science.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Do any V/Line trains call at the Metro platforms at Southern Cross station, or did the new platform 15 & 16 fix this ?
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

From a recent cross country trip from Ballarat to Geelong via Southern Cross, finding the connecting platform wasn't physically easy (I have trouble walking distances).
The Ballarat train deposited me on platform 15. I then had to make my way to the Spencer Street/Collins Street concourse to locate the destination monitors, where I found that the connecting Geelong train left from platform 8s. I wasn't particularly happy as it meant backtracking to 8s.

The point is, there should be V/Line destination monitors at the top of the escalators from platforms 9-16 to save people having to trapse to the Collins Street ground level concourse.
It's not rocket science.
xxxxlbear
next time try and change at Deer park, easy................
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
From a recent cross country trip from Ballarat to Geelong via Southern Cross, finding the connecting platform wasn't physically easy (I have trouble walking distances).
The Ballarat train deposited me on platform 15. I then had to make my way to the Spencer Street/Collins Street concourse to locate the destination monitors, where I found that the connecting Geelong train left from platform 8s. I wasn't particularly happy as it meant backtracking to 8s.

The point is, there should be V/Line destination monitors at the top of the escalators from platforms 9-16 to save people having to trapse to the Collins Street ground level concourse.
It's not rocket science.
next time try and change at Deer park, easy................
trainbrain
I should. It's just a matter of crossing the platform. I just have a fear of missing the connection and being stranded at Deer Park for too long. But I digress Smile
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
Don't you mean Sunshine, as that's what the PTV trip planner recommends to do.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The PTV Trip planner isn't the most reliable thing. If you're at Southern Cross and want to go to Sunshine, it tells you to catch a Bacchus Marsh train to Deer Park and then double back. It has no idea.

There's also a lack of connectivity to the V/Line area from the Collins St end. If there were escalators to Platforms 7/8 (similar to the ones on the Metro platforms, interchanging would be a whole lot simpler.
  torrens5022 Junior Train Controller

Wouldn't it be easier and quicker to just catch the coach from Ballarat to Geelong
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
From a recent cross country trip from Ballarat to Geelong via Southern Cross, finding the connecting platform wasn't physically easy (I have trouble walking distances).
The Ballarat train deposited me on platform 15. I then had to make my way to the Spencer Street/Collins Street concourse to locate the destination monitors, where I found that the connecting Geelong train left from platform 8s. I wasn't particularly happy as it meant backtracking to 8s.

The point is, there should be V/Line destination monitors at the top of the escalators from platforms 9-16 to save people having to trapse to the Collins Street ground level concourse.
It's not rocket science.
next time try and change at Deer park, easy................
I should. It's just a matter of crossing the platform. I just have a fear of missing the connection and being stranded at Deer Park for too long. But I digress Smile
xxxxlbear


I think Geelong trains are more likely to stop at Sunshine than Deer Park, hence Sunshine or even Footscray might be better than rolling all the way to SCS to make the connection.

Mike.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey

I think Geelong trains are more likely to stop at Sunshine than Deer Park, hence Sunshine or even Footscray might be better than rolling all the way to SCS to make the connection.

Mike.
The Vinelander

Let's not forget the disappointing outcome of the Sunshine rebuild where it is not possible for a passenger to change between the North East line to Albury and Sydney and the Western lines to Bendigo and Ballarat.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger

I think Geelong trains are more likely to stop at Sunshine than Deer Park, hence Sunshine or even Footscray might be better than rolling all the way to SCS to make the connection.

Mike.
Let's not forget the disappointing outcome of the Sunshine rebuild where it is not possible for a passenger to change between the North East line to Albury and Sydney and the Western lines to Bendigo and Ballarat.
x31
How many people are realistically going to do that though, with a maximum of 6 VLine trains per day on the SG, or 10 if you include the XPT (Soon to be increased to 8 for Vline)? For the amount of space and cost a platform would cost for the number of people using it, it wouldn't stack up.

Railways in Victoria are rather lacking in funding. It would be better for them to build actual useful things, rather than frivolous extras.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
You people all seem to have the silly idea that VLP, Metro et al are there to provide you with service.Rolling Eyes
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

From a recent cross country trip from Ballarat to Geelong via Southern Cross, finding the connecting platform wasn't physically easy (I have trouble walking distances).
The Ballarat train deposited me on platform 15. I then had to make my way to the Spencer Street/Collins Street concourse to locate the destination monitors, where I found that the connecting Geelong train left from platform 8s. I wasn't particularly happy as it meant backtracking to 8s.

The point is, there should be V/Line destination monitors at the top of the escalators from platforms 9-16 to save people having to trapse to the Collins Street ground level concourse.
It's not rocket science.
xxxxlbear
The owners of Southern Cross Station are not principally concerned with the convenience of the travelling public. They are in it to make cold hard cash, no other reason. They will not install more destination monitors unless there are bucks in it, or an authority makes them do so.

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