"Sully" the movie

 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Saw "Sully" today in what they call MAX experience here with a massive screen and huge surround sound system.

Very interesting and worth seeing. Not your typical Hollywood drama built around a love story, not a love story at all.

The next is to see where the movie has been dramatised over real events.

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
What would you give the movie out of 10 ?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Saw "Sully" today in what they call MAX experience here with a massive screen and huge surround sound system.

Very interesting and worth seeing. Not your typical Hollywood drama built around a love story, not a love story at all.

The next is to see where the movie has been dramatised over real events.
RTT_Rules

There's a good number of excellent documentaries of Flight 1549, its also worth listening to the radio's  for this short flight, there being at least 2 of these on utube. I am sure you will find Capt Chesley Sulenberger was an advisor to this movie. I have heard him taliking about it in an interview.

Absolutely everything thing had to go right for there to be a sucessfull landing in the Hudson river, as the co pilot said the only thing that went wrong with the flight was them running into a flock of Canada geese.

Pilots will for years will be praising the expertise of the crew on that day, it WAS an EXTREMELY EXTREMELY difficult thing to do.

woodford (being a pilot now for 40 years)
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Some good Doco's on flight 1549......................

US_Airways_crash_Flight-1549.mp4, National Geographic

brace for impact the chesley b sullenberger story - YouTube [360p].mp4

Flight 1549 3D Reconstruction, Hudson River Ditching Jan 15, 2009 - YouTube [720p].mp4

The last one is full ATC of the flight, from all involved WELL worth listening to.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

I probably will NOT bother to see the movie, in case its been jazzed up, the Docos mentioned are excellent.................

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Some good Doco's on flight 1549......................

US_Airways_crash_Flight-1549.mp4, National Geographic

brace for impact the chesley b sullenberger story - YouTube [360p].mp4

Flight 1549 3D Reconstruction, Hudson River Ditching Jan 15, 2009 - YouTube [720p].mp4

The last one is full ATC of the flight, from all involved WELL worth listening to.

woodford
woodford
On the last  one, the one to see is on a link in the video just after the start the links is to.........

Flight 1549 Alternate Audio, Multi-Perspective Composite Animation - YouTube [720p].mp4

This has 8 audio channels going at once, giving ALL radio  traffic and cockpit talk, this makes it somewhat difficult to understand and one has to view it multiple times. It DOES show though how much effort was being put in to try and bring the plane down successfully.

There is plenty of material out there a good percentage though to  my view are to dramatised, the above I consider would be the best.

woodford
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Movie was about a 7-8/10 but it may depend on what you are trying to get out of it.

Is it a good put together movie that many will enjoy allocating 2hr of their life, YES. With the likes of Tom Hanks at the lead and Clint Eastwood as the producer and director it probably was always going to be. I went with my 6 and 10 yr old and they liked it and was a topic of discussion with their mother who missed it at lunch. Both kids watched the "Aircraft investigations" that morning to see if they wanted to watch. As no one dies I believe it was suitable.

Certainly well worth watching in the MAX sound technology cinema's if you have the choice.

Accuracy to the event, is pretty close, Sully was on set and made certain conditions to him being involved and its based on his book.

Accuracy to the investigation, this is where the dramatisation takes over somewhat. Some of the now retired NTSB members have expressed concern it makes them look like they were on a which hunt.  

You will see more of what happened in the background that the 50min doco versions which are purely facts.

You will see more of the post traumatic stress Sully went through.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I agree on how good the movie was. I especially loved how it jumped back and forth between the event/rescue and the aftermath.
  woodford Chief Commissioner



Accuracy to the investigation, this is where the dramatisation takes over somewhat. Some of the now retired NTSB members have expressed concern it makes them look like they were on a which hunt.  
RTT_Rules

As far as I am concerned there's no excuse for this, air crash investigations NEVER play the man, this is a critcism thats often seen from the media who are only looking for sensationalism. Investigators of such accidents are only looking for the facts on why the accident occured. In the case of flight 1549, they did apoligise for having to go in detail of the actions of the flight crew and in the end they all marvelled at how good a job the crew had done.

Note: The good outcome WAS team work ALL the crew including the cabin staff did excellent work that day.

As far as I am aware flight 1549 is only the 2nd time an airliner has ditched with no (human) casualties, the other being Pan Am flight 6 (1956) that ditched near a United Stats Coast Guard Vessel after having 2  separate engine faults while doing the leg Honolulu to San Francisco.

woodford
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


Accuracy to the investigation, this is where the dramatisation takes over somewhat. Some of the now retired NTSB members have expressed concern it makes them look like they were on a which hunt.  
As far as I am concerned there's no excuse for this, air crash investigations NEVER play the man, this is a critcism thats often seen from the media who are only looking for sensationalism. Investigators of such accidents are only looking for the facts on why the accident occured. In the case of flight 1549, they did apoligise for having to go in detail of the actions of the flight crew and in the end they all marvelled at how good a job the crew had done.

Note: The good outcome WAS team work ALL the crew including the cabin staff did excellent work that day.

As far as I am aware flight 1549 is only the 2nd time an airliner has ditched with no (human) casualties, the other being Pan Am flight 6 (1956) that ditched near a United Stats Coast Guard Vessel after having 2  separate engine faults while doing the leg Honolulu to San Francisco.

woodford
woodford
You need to see the movie to get the context.

What I want to know is in the movie it appears after the models confirmed a successful landing was potentially possible, they then on Sully's request backed it up with a number of simulations that allowed no thinking time and where actually practiced over a dozen times to get perfection. In the movie it appears they through this back at the crew and see it can be done. However Sully rightfully questions, how many times it was practiced to get it right and where is the thinking time? It comes across in the movie that for a period the NTSB did not believe a water landing was required and they were out to prove this.

Based on Sully's comments, they agree to a 35sec thinking time to diagnose what just happened after the strike and whats failed etc, the simulator exercise then leads to a crash, point made! It the actual investigation they say they did just one simulator test with this delay and obviously felt no reason to continue.

Did the NTSB actually try and go down the path of hanging Sully over the initial simulator exercises that showed a successful landing was possible if there was an immediate rehearsed response?

In "Air craft investigations", the female investigator did say one of their problems was that no one they spoke with would provide any evidence or comments to taint Sully, he became untouchable!
  woodford Chief Commissioner

In "Air crash investigations" the NTSB also stated that in there simulations that if the aircraft had turned back immediately after the strike 50% of the crews crashed without reaching a runway. They also stated the if the 35 seconds were taken into acccount  from trying to get an engine restarted, NONE of the crews made it to a runway.

When I trained as a pilot I was told, if an engine failed on takeoff you would normally have NO HOPE of returning to the take off runway. The amount of energy lost in the turn being to great. What they did say one needs to look for a landing site within say 90 degrees of the takeoff heading.

You have to rememeber one is over a heavily populated area you simply CANNOT risk a crash into buildings this severely limits what decisions you can make. Its REAL EASY under such circumstances to forget your NUMBER ONE priority is simply keep the aircraft flying, there have been plenty of crews who crashed because they got so caught up in the circumstances that they forgot to do this.

Lindsay
  woodford Chief Commissioner

A comment I will make.....................

I said and I will reinforce this the crew of flight 1549 did an EXCELLENT job that day, if the film paints ANY OTHER picture its complete crap, simple as that.

woodford
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
A comment I will make.....................

I said and I will reinforce this the crew of flight 1549 did an EXCELLENT job that day, if the film paints ANY OTHER picture its complete crap, simple as that.

woodford
woodford
It's not about what happened that day - it's about what happened afterwards.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Thanks for the recommendation, Shane, I might have a look when it comes my local cinema.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Thanks for the recommendation, Shane, I might have a look when it comes my local cinema.
don_dunstan
Cannot see why it wouldn't be there already - it was released here in Australia on Thursday.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I had a look to see if it's coming up at the local drive-in (yes, we have those here) as you usually have to wait a few weeks after release for it to come up; however in this case it doesn't appear as though "Sully" is going to be at the drive-in at all. Perhaps I'll have to go to the pictures on Super Tuesday tomorrow night.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Thanks for the recommendation, Shane, I might have a look when it comes my local cinema.
Cannot see why it wouldn't be there already - it was released here in Australia on Thursday.
railblogger
Exactly.

Woodford, suggestion you just sit back and enjoy some great cinema which is mostly based on an amazing real life event.
  Jim K Train Controller

Location: Well west of the Great Divide in NSW but not as far as South Australia
A comment I will make.....................

I said and I will reinforce this the crew of flight 1549 did an EXCELLENT job that day, if the film paints ANY OTHER picture its complete crap, simple as that.

woodford
woodford
Just "A" comment?  lol


Go watch the film, it is not your average film... 9/10 from me.
Tom Hanks seems to play any other person well....
  woodford Chief Commissioner

A comment I will make.....................

I said and I will reinforce this the crew of flight 1549 did an EXCELLENT job that day, if the film paints ANY OTHER picture its complete crap, simple as that.

woodford
Just "A" comment?  lol


Go watch the film, it is not your average film... 9/10 from me.
Tom Hanks seems to play any other person well....
Jim K

I am and have ALWAYS been EXTREMELY picky on the films I have watched. I was for years a projectionist in a movie house and saw hundreds of films most being rubbish. I regularly will walk out on a movie I believe is below my standard, for instance I found the Harry Potter films relied way over much on special effects and I only ever saw the first half hour or so. To me there is no possibilty of a even a slightly over dramatised version of flight 1549 would EVER be exceptable. After all I am a pilot and I do recognise how VERY difficult that task the crew of this flight had.

Note: I am a huge fan of the book "Lord of the Rings", EVERYONE who knew me thought I would be the first to see the films done in New Zealand, I have NEVER to this day seen these films and I never will!

woodford
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
A comment I will make.....................

I said and I will reinforce this the crew of flight 1549 did an EXCELLENT job that day, if the film paints ANY OTHER picture its complete crap, simple as that.

woodford
woodford
I agree.

I have read the NTSB accident report and seen the Air Crash Investigation video.

Whilst not as pilot I agree that Sully did a brilliant job to save all his passengers.

On a par with Captain Richard Champion de Crespigny on QF 32 and the BA  747 captain who  lost all four engines over Indonesia due to volcanic dust in the air but still managed to land safely.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
A comment I will make.....................

I said and I will reinforce this the crew of flight 1549 did an EXCELLENT job that day, if the film paints ANY OTHER picture its complete crap, simple as that.

woodford
I agree.

I have read the NTSB accident report and seen the Air Crash Investigation video.

Whilst not as pilot I agree that Sully did a brilliant job to save all his passengers.

On a par with Captain Richard Champion de Crespigny on QF 32 and the BA  747 captain who  lost all four engines over Indonesia due to volcanic dust in the air but still managed to land safely.
Boss
I'm sure there is a Telly movie in QF32
  woodford Chief Commissioner

A comment I will make.....................

I said and I will reinforce this the crew of flight 1549 did an EXCELLENT job that day, if the film paints ANY OTHER picture its complete crap, simple as that.

woodford
I agree.

I have read the NTSB accident report and seen the Air Crash Investigation video.

Whilst not as pilot I agree that Sully did a brilliant job to save all his passengers.

On a par with Captain Richard Champion de Crespigny on QF 32 and the BA  747 captain who  lost all four engines over Indonesia due to volcanic dust in the air but still managed to land safely.
Boss
Yes, both crews did well, both following the first rule, "keep the aircraft flying", following two very severe aircraft crippling incedents. The Captain of BA flight 9 in the "jakarta Incident" was Cpt Erric Moody.

QF 32 on 4th November 2010, suffered multiple major systems failures after one of the engines destoyed itself after over speeding from a fire caused by a fractured oil pipe.

Both of the above incidents showed air crews at there VERY best.

So many accidents are caused by poor decisions, its always very nice to see great success's.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Off topic, comment...........

Probably one of the best examples of good crew performance under really horrific conditions is United Airlines flight 232. Sometime into the flight the centre engine in a DC10 flew apart cutting ALL 3 sets of hydralic control lines, rendering the aircraft almost uncontrolable. The situation was in reality unsurvivable, the two crew with the help of a 3rd pilot who was travelling in the 1st class cabin managed to maintain just enough control for a crash landing in Sioux City airport, 111 dies and another 185 survived. They managed to maintain just enough control for around 30 minutes before crash landing.

The crews whole focus was what do we need to do to keep the aircraft in the air for the next 30 seconds. The accidents been widely studied on how crews can work and communciate together while facing certain disaster.

woodford
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Unfortunately, the new crop of pilots rely on the "Flying Laws" built into the aircraft's computers to keep them and their passengers safe.  This  approach assumes that all possible eventualities are covered by the software and are recognised by the pilots for what they are.  Commercial pilots, these days have less experience in manual flying than the older group such as Sully, de Crispigny and Moody.  If you doubt this read some of the information on the Professional Pilots rumour Network  (PPrune website )
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Unfortunately, the new crop of pilots rely on the "Flying Laws" built into the aircraft's computers to keep them and their passengers safe.  This  approach assumes that all possible eventualities are covered by the software and are recognised by the pilots for what they are.  Commercial pilots, these days have less experience in manual flying than the older group such as Sully, de Crispigny and Moody.  If you doubt this read some of the information on the Professional Pilots rumour Network  (PPrune website )
Boss
Yes, I know of this, in fact its becoming an increasing cause of accidents, Sully himself has been outspoken on this subject.

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