Inland Rail: Only ‘red tape and political gutlessness’ stopping simple project

 

News article: Inland Rail: Only ‘red tape and political gutlessness’ stopping simple project

IT’S a bit like our own infrastructure version of the “Yowie’’ – plenty have seen visions of it, but no-one has been able to capture this magnificent, mythical 1700km rail corridor holding the key to untold economic riches.

  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
a private consortium wanting link to go thru Shepparton and Narrandera
It seems everyone wants this line to go through their town! Obviously that isn't possible.
Graham4405
Well, Shepparton would rather it passed near to but bypassed their town... I suspect most towns along any of the proposed Inland Rail route(s) would feel the same.

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  M636C Minister for Railways

a private consortium wanting link to go thru Shepparton and Narrandera
It seems everyone wants this line to go through their town! Obviously that isn't possible.
Graham4405
The cheapest solution is to convert the existing line to Shepparton to standard gauge, and any lines still in use north of there. Then convert the line from Shepparton to Dookie to SG and build a new SG line across to Bowser on the North East. Then Shepparton passenger trains could be extended to Albury providing extra services. Then any Brisbane bound freights could go through Shepparton and add the dozens of wagons bound for Brisbane, and similarly southbounds could drop off loads in Shepparton.

M636C
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
a private consortium wanting link to go thru Shepparton and Narrandera
It seems everyone wants this line to go through their town! Obviously that isn't possible.
The cheapest solution is to convert the existing line to Shepparton to standard gauge, and any lines still in use north of there. Then convert the line from Shepparton to Dookie to SG and build a new SG line across to Bowser on the North East. Then Shepparton passenger trains could be extended to Albury providing extra services. Then any Brisbane bound freights could go through Shepparton and add the dozens of wagons bound for Brisbane, and similarly southbounds could drop off loads in Shepparton.

M636C
M636C
Bowser ! Why ?

How about to Deverish and than Into the renoughts of Benalla yard, then turning East on a triangle junction.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Or Narrandera and do most of what the Inland via Shepparton would do (and more) at a fraction of the cost.
  M636C Minister for Railways

a private consortium wanting link to go thru Shepparton and Narrandera
It seems everyone wants this line to go through their town! Obviously that isn't possible.
The cheapest solution is to convert the existing line to Shepparton to standard gauge, and any lines still in use north of there. Then convert the line from Shepparton to Dookie to SG and build a new SG line across to Bowser on the North East. Then Shepparton passenger trains could be extended to Albury providing extra services. Then any Brisbane bound freights could go through Shepparton and add the dozens of wagons bound for Brisbane, and similarly southbounds could drop off loads in Shepparton.

M636C
Bowser ! Why ?

How about to Deverish and than Into the renoughts of Benalla yard, then turning East on a triangle junction.
Nightfire
Because this is a grand scheme with Federal Government backing and direct to Bowser woud be a shorter and faster route for through traffic. Going via Benalla would be little quicker than putting in a triangle at Mangalore and going both ways on the existing line.

By building a large loop via Bowser, the time penalty of going via Shepparton is minimised.

It would allow Albury passenger trains to go via Shepparton or Benalla and Wangaratta, with a station at Bowser serving Wangaratta if required, providing a more frequent service to Albury with little extra rolling stock by extending the existing Shepparton service.

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  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
What about the mountains on the Melbourne side of Wang?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
What about the mountains on the Melbourne side of Wang?
james.au

Mountains Question
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I don't know what they're called but there is a Warby Range Road running along side them on google maps.  Plus there is a Mount Bruno further along the northern side.  

Wont they complicate things by needing a second crossing?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Went to the Sydney industry briefing this week for the current tender being run by the ARTC.

Copy of the slide deck (from the ARTC website) at this link

Construction commencement within 2 years.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Continued from https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2029458.htm#2029458, in response to @kuldalai.

If Inland Rail goes via Shepparton

This is not happening.  Its going via Albury.
Not necessarily done and dusted yet .  ARTC has heart seton  taking off around Illabo but Private Consortium is pitching to Feds if they want  Private equity involvement then a route via Goulburn Valley will attract private funding whereas via Illabo will not .  Given the Federal government has no bickies in the tin, we shall wait and see .
kuldalai
If you're talking about NTR, my understanding  is that they want the Feds to hand over some $13bn to them, i.e., they are not looking to make or source the investment themselves. The Feds are looking at funding around $10bn, arrived at after a rigorous business case process, and I am extremely doubtful that they will increase this by $3bn without any economic analysis.  NTR has put nothing anywhere to show any of their economic reasons for their case.  When invited to by the Inland Rail Secretariat to do so, including an offer of free analysis from Infra Australia, they submitted nothing.  The only substantial documentation (1) they refer to is the Deloitte analysis commissioned by the Secretariat to analyse the route.  Whilst this analysis has problems, it didnt support the route via Shepparton as it cost $2bn more for only $300m additional benefit.  

In my view, continuing to lobby (refer to final 4 pages) for Inland via Shepparton isn't going to go anywhere.  I feel that NTR has latched onto the Food Bowl Councils to keep their case alive, given that no other Department at State or Federal level is interested.

From the Terms of Reference, this paragraph from the parameters for private sector involvement suggests to me that the route is set.  In the briefing given in Sydney, they suggested that the range within which the route could vary would be approximately 2km.

The Inland Rail route alignment is broadly consistent with the route identified in the Inland Rail Implementation Group Report with the capacity for amendments where such amendments improve the economic benefits and financial viability or the efficiency of approvals, delivery or service outcomes
Dept Finance Terms of Reference for Inland Rail Market Testing
A more serious discussion about rail from Narrandera to Seymour would reconsider the need to spend $2bn.  Building the line with standards similar to the Murray Basin program (i.e. 21TAL @ 80km) - i.e. standardising Seymour-Shep-Toc, and restoring Toc-Narrandera would be a far cheaper option and would provide i recon about 90% or more of the benefits that they are looking for (i.e. greater frequency and more competition to lower rail freight costs).  (Hey, they could even upgrade Seymour-Shepparton to 115kph running for pax services and improve the pax running too and as Shepparton uses N Class sets, having a larger pool of N Class locos + carriages for the entire North East area would improve the operating performance of the Albury route too).

(1) their economic fact sheet is too brief to me to suggest it has rigour, and the modelling it contains appears to be operational, and doesnt mention possible cost once.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

I don't know what they're called but there is a Warby Range Road running along side them on google maps.  Plus there is a Mount Bruno further along the northern side.  


Wont they complicate things by needing a second crossing?
"james.au"

There called the Warby ranges.

A route straight from Dookie through the ranges around the north of Wang to Bowser is unlikely to be any good, The Warby range's while only around 200 metres above the plain have VERY steep approachs in an East West direction. It would be easier  to go around the north of the ranges, to the west of KIllawarra. Even then its fairly undulating country East of Lake Rowan.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I don't know what they're called but there is a Warby Range Road running along side them on google maps.  Plus there is a Mount Bruno further along the northern side.  


Wont they complicate things by needing a second crossing?

There called the Warby ranges.

A route straight from Dookie through the ranges around the north of Wang to Bowser is unlikely to be any good, The Warby range's while only around 200 metres above the plain have VERY steep approachs in an East West direction. It would be easier  to go around the north of the ranges, to the west of KIllawarra. Even then its fairly undulating country East of Lake Rowan.
woodford
I doubt Shepparton to Bowser would be a useful V/Line passenger train route, as It misses most of the population In the region (Towns that would crave extra train services)
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
There was letter to the Editor in yesterday's (4/10/16) Toowoomba Chronicle from the ARTC's CEO discussing past and future community consultations along the 2Km wide corridor in this region. Input was also invited via 1800 732 761 or inlandrailenquiries@artc.com.au. An ARTC office will also be opened here soon.

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