Comeng Refurbishment ideas

 
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Why make fridges, washing machines and TVs in Australia when you can order them by the boatload from China for $millions less? They even come with an added bonus, they last two years and one month (with a one year warranty, naturally) instead of 60 so you have to buy another one when the machine decides it doesn't want to work anymore!
Heihachi_73

Electrolux used to make Simpson-branded washers in Adelaide - they were tough as nails.  I reluctantly dumped mine several years ago because it used too much water and I replaced it with a new Simpson that was made in Thailand in the belief that I was doing the right thing for the environment...

Nothing but problems.  On/off button broke (under warranty), then the cycle-selector knob broke too (also under warranty).  By the time the warranty ran out the bowl span wildly out of control every spin cycle and I made the decision to put it on the nature strip, $$$ down the drain.  Then I got an Italian-made Whirlpool front loader and a whole new set of problems after six months... not a day goes by when I don't pine for my old Aussie-made Simpson.

We need our state governments to lead by example and buy Aussie-made.  It might be more expensive but damn it we need the jobs here - not in Poland or Italy.

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  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
Electrolux used to make Simpson-branded washers in Adelaide - they were tough as nails. I reluctantly dumped mine several years ago because it used too much water and I replaced it with a new Simpson that was made in Thailand in the belief that I was doing the right thing for the environment...

Nothing but problems. On/off button broke (under warranty), then the cycle-selector knob broke too (also under warranty). By the time the warranty ran out the bowl span wildly out of control every spin cycle and I made the decision to put it on the nature strip, $$$ down the drain. Then I got an Italian-made Whirlpool front loader and a whole new set of problems after six months... not a day goes by when I don't pine for my old Aussie-made Simpson.

We need our state governments to lead by example and buy Aussie-made. It might be more expensive but damn it we need the jobs here - not in Poland or Italy.
don_dunstan

Couldnt agree more.

Those who only see the immediate sticker price of anything arent understanding the "total cost of ownership" idea, nor the notion that there are often on-benefits  for looking to maintain manufacturing and its skillbase in this country
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
We had a 1989 Simpson washing machine right up to 2012, gave it to a neighbour as their much newer washing machine broke. It still works.

Its replacement was a Whirlpool with a 1 star energy rating (it's made in the USA, what do you expect!)
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Couldnt agree more.

Those who only see the immediate sticker price of anything arent understanding the "total cost of ownership" idea, nor the notion that there are often on-benefits for looking to maintain manufacturing and its skillbase in this country
SPSD40T2

It's a terrible shame we've come to the point where we are - Menzies would be rolling in his grave. It's not just the off-shoring of rail vehicles like the Xtrapolis - it's nearly everything we use.

Even things that we did well until recently like make steel railway lines has gone off-shore; I heard recently that Fortescue is building a line in the Pilbara made with steel from China (Baosteel) while the BHP Whyalla plant, which provided the steel for the Alice-Darwin line, lays idle. A friend of mine who works in engineering told me recently that the car industry destruction is just the thin edge of the wedge. Even heavy engineering projects like bridges and overpasses get pre-fabricated in China now before they're loaded onto ships in knock-down form and re-assembled at their destination.

The current war on the unemployed being fanned by the Murdoch media is subterfuge to disguise the fact that Abbott is accelerating the destruction of blue-collar jobs.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
We had a 1989 Simpson washing machine right up to 2012, gave it to a neighbour as their much newer washing machine broke. It still works.

Its replacement was a Whirlpool with a 1 star energy rating (it's made in the USA, what do you expect!)
Heihachi_73

I was sucked into buying that new Thai-made Simpson with that 3.5 star water rating; it was at the height of the drought so I thought I was doing the right thing.

We actually made things in Australia once upon a time that were hard-wearing and durable, things that we could be rightly proud of as a nation. I'd put the Hitachis and Comengs into that category although I'm sure that there'll be a lot of railway people who'll shoot me down for making that call...!
  MelbourneCity Chief Commissioner

Any word on when the refurbishment program begins?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Couldnt agree more.

Those who only see the immediate sticker price of anything arent understanding the "total cost of ownership" idea, nor the notion that there are often on-benefits for looking to maintain manufacturing and its skillbase in this country

It's a terrible shame we've come to the point where we are - Menzies would be rolling in his grave. It's not just the off-shoring of rail vehicles like the Xtrapolis - it's nearly everything we use.

Even things that we did well until recently like make steel railway lines has gone off-shore; I heard recently that Fortescue is building a line in the Pilbara made with steel from China (Baosteel) while the BHP Whyalla plant, which provided the steel for the Alice-Darwin line, lays idle. A friend of mine who works in engineering told me recently that the car industry destruction is just the thin edge of the wedge. Even heavy engineering projects like bridges and overpasses get pre-fabricated in China now before they're loaded onto ships in knock-down form and re-assembled at their destination.

The current war on the unemployed being fanned by the Murdoch media is subterfuge to disguise the fact that Abbott is accelerating the destruction of blue-collar jobs.
don_dunstan
BHP couldn't or wouldn't produce the rail to meet the schedule. There were stories that they thought they could stuff FMG construction by doing so. Don't know if true or not.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
We had a 1989 Simpson washing machine right up to 2012, gave it to a neighbour as their much newer washing machine broke. It still works.

Its replacement was a Whirlpool with a 1 star energy rating (it's made in the USA, what do you expect!)

I was sucked into buying that new Thai-made Simpson with that 3.5 star water rating; it was at the height of the drought so I thought I was doing the right thing.

We actually made things in Australia once upon a time that were hard-wearing and durable, things that we could be rightly proud of as a nation. I'd put the Hitachis and Comengs into that category although I'm sure that there'll be a lot of railway people who'll shoot me down for making that call...!
don_dunstan
The Hitachis were good at what they did.
The Comengs did not quite make it in many ways and are still deficient in airconditioning/fresh air percentage. They are also too cramped to really take advantage of every seat.
  slowcoach Junior Train Controller

Any word on when the refurbishment program begins?
MelbourneCity
So far, less seats, more handrails near the doors for both EDI and Alstom Comeng trains. Most EDI Comeng have different, flatter knobs but I still prefer buttons like those on Siemens and
X-trapolis. Few EDI Comeng have new LED Destination boards on 1 end. Not sure what else to come besides a makeover inside and out with all those scratched windows and tagged walls.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Wish they would put a hole in the top of the Alstom Comeng fronts where the old Connex stickers used to be and put the large LED destos there. I can't believe [it's not butter] they are still using the same low-resolution LED signs in the offside window, especially after the same signs were all ripped out of the first-series X'Traps in favour of the newer ones with the bold fonts - yes, the internal PIDs of both Comeng types look dated as well and should be replaced with the X'Trap type too, while swapping out those awful-sounding speakers and/or speaker wiring while at it.

And yes, the Simpson washing machine is still going strong, as is our Yank Tank with its 1 star rating. Smile
  ogigacz Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Sorry to bring up and oldish thread, but I have just noticed a picture of a "newly refurbished" Comeng...

http://vicsig.net/photo/20944

I was wondering if any knew if anything else had been done except for some new stickers?
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Sorry to bring up and oldish thread, but I have just noticed a picture of a "newly refurbished" Comeng...

http://vicsig.net/photo/20944

I was wondering if any knew if anything else had been done except for some new stickers?
ogigacz
Inside is some trial arrangements of things such as hanging hand straps, different seat coverings for regular seats and a different colour for priority seats similar to trams, new floor to ceiling grab handles.

The pictures aren't on the VicSig website yet, but they are on Faceboook so I assume they'll make it there eventually.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Sorry to bring up and oldish thread, but I have just noticed a picture of a "newly refurbished" Comeng...

http://vicsig.net/photo/20944

I was wondering if any knew if anything else had been done except for some new stickers?
Inside is some trial arrangements of things such as hanging hand straps, different seat coverings for regular seats and a different colour for priority seats similar to trams, new floor to ceiling grab handles.

The pictures aren't on the VicSig website yet, but they are on Faceboook so I assume they'll make it there eventually.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Sorry to bring up and oldish thread, but I have just noticed a picture of a "newly refurbished" Comeng...

http://vicsig.net/photo/20944

I was wondering if any knew if anything else had been done except for some new stickers?
Inside is some trial arrangements of things such as hanging hand straps, different seat coverings for regular seats and a different colour for priority seats similar to trams, new floor to ceiling grab handles.

The pictures aren't on the VicSig website yet, but they are on Faceboook so I assume they'll make it there eventually.
  MrToastyyy Beginner

What facebook page are they on?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Interesting that 698M happens to be in there, being the first refurbished Comeng way back in 2000. Even more interesting, considering I was under the impression that the chopper motors were going to be withdrawn. Why else was Metro going chopper hunting recently?
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Interesting that 698M happens to be in there, being the first refurbished Comeng way back in 2000. Even more interesting, considering I was under the impression that the chopper motors were going to be withdrawn. Why else was Metro going chopper hunting recently?
Heihachi_73
I was under the impression that they'd refurbish units in exactly that way, the first one refurbished would be the first one done next time, but that does not take into account the who chopper motor thing you have mentioned.

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