The problem with Melbourne

 
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
No argument with that at all. And I am not saying we should have a Transport system of that of London. It is all relative for London's rail networks are far far larger and much. much more complex than ours. In the Greater London Area there would be nearly 700 Stations to our 240 odd. Toronto has a pop and density similar to that of Melbourne, but their transport system is way better than ours. Simply saying that London has more money than Melbourne is simplistic. It takes political will as well. London's Public Transport was a piece of crap during the Thatcher Years. Indeed London's PT only got better when the then Labour Government set up Transport for London. An agency with real authority not that PTV joke that we have here.

The trouble is that politicians are only willing to spend money on big ticket items that feed their ego. The Melbourne Metro is going to be a new railway grafted on a creaking old commuter network. The existing system should be fixed first.

Michael

I would suggest that the new metro can provide a significant help to the creaking metro system in Melbourne. At the very least people will know where the train is going along this line. Several times while visiting Melbourne I have boarded a train supposedly going to where I need at Flinders street station only for it's destination to be changed and I end up somewhere not where I wanted to go.

Having said that there can be no doubt that the metro system is pathetic and in desperate need of maintenance of any sort. The track and overhead quality is abysmal and the amount of issues that you have on hot days are incredible.
simstrain
I find (as an Irregular user) the City Loop direction change as very crap and confusing.

Sometimes there seems to be no trains that run from Richmond direct to Flinders Street, some lines should permanently run the loop clockwise and others counter clockwise (like how the Clifton Hill loop always runs runs clockwise)

I don't know how tourist work It out ! (Haven't seen this confusing running direction In European Cities)

The other silly thing Is Flinders Street Is referred to as It's a dead end terminal station !
(A Train from Frankston to Werribee should have 'Werribee via FSS" on the head board not just Flinders Street)

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

As a tourist I can tell you that I have no idea how it works. Which is why I much prefer the use of your tram system which is much easier to understand. This is why I think this new metro route will be just what is needed and also why I think the south yarra interchange is needed.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The City Loop changing directions is ridiculous, especially with two line groups from Richmond, which would be perfect to have one run clockwise and the other counter-clockwise. I think Metro/PTV are worried about capacity and safety issues at Richmond if this were to be how the trains worked though. For a major interchange station, it's not really suited to the task.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The problem with Melbourne is metro and PTV. Insufficient planning and action with constant deferring of projects.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
@mejhammers1 - source please?  I have some reading to do it seems.
james.au
Source London Underground - Wikipedia.

Victorian Network - I must admit is a guess based on the low fares we have in Victoria and the high subsidies for the V/Line Network.

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
You wanna know the problem with Melbourne

- Old outdated signalling
- Flinders needs a major upgrade
- We need another 100 new Xtrapolis Trains
- Siemens Trains need to be used more, two are stabled at Brighton every weekend and never get used
- We need a Doncaster Rail
- Comengs should have been gone 5 years ago
- We need an Airport Rail
- We need a Rowville Line via Melbourne University
- Trams are outdated could do with another 200 E Class
- Busses are infrequent
- Melton Line needs electrification
- Stony Point Line needs electrification
- No Train To Chadstone
- Myki is a joke, we need a tourist card for tourists coming to a Melbourne

I haven't even mentioned how we don't even fund Schools, Hospitals and that our Transport System is so screwed it's not funny

Oh The Worlds Most Liveable City. Well an Average House Price of 1.3 in 3 years time welll welll I might have to live in a commission flat, estate or in Broadmeadows or Kannanook
SandyUser17
Old outdated signalling                                                
True Dat

We need another 100 new Xtrapolis Trains                    
Its a pity we have to buy more of xtrapolis 100 which is an old, obsolete platform

We need Doncaster Rail                                              
Not heavy rail, extend 48 or build light rail instead

Comengs should have been gone 5 years ago                  
Yes at least started to be phased out on the Metro Network and re-purposed as DMU or Rolling stock for the V/Line Network

Trams are Outdated                                                    
The Government is building new trams. They could also re-build and reconfigure Z class trams as they are retired

Buses are Infrequent                                                  
Until the Current Bus Contracts are expired a much needed overhaul of the Bus Network will have to wait. I think there are just too many companies operating Melbourne's Tiny Bus Network.

Melton Line Electrification                                            
Will Happen

Stony Point Electrification                                            
No need to happen

Train to Chadstone                                                      
Nice to have but where would they put it without spending billions!

Michael
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

The problem with Melbourne is old and middle aged NIMBYS who don't want to have their suburbs developed with greater density. As an inner city resident (Collingwood) its clear that so much inner city land is wasted on obsolete forms of housing that are inefficient uses of land. The middle suburbs are even worse.

We need MORE inner city apartments (4-5 levels) and more dense suburbs in the middle ring (multiple units per block even 2-3 story townhouses). Then the density starts going up and PT becomes the only option.

Even then more could be done with the current densities, as people have said...there is always money for roads.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Simply too many people. Twisted Evil
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Simply too many people. Twisted Evil
YM-Mundrabilla

I didn't breed.
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
Simply too many people. Twisted Evil

I didn't breed.
The Vinelander
I was waiting for someone to say "Thankfully" SmileSmileSmile
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
The problem with Melbourne is that it's Melbourne. The relatively few who cared the slightest about their city are now the ones who want out but can't afford to move, let alone save up a fortune for a new place ($300k for a 1 bedroom apartment where the only thing that fits is a bed and a TV, is not worth it). Melbourne is now only for suits, cashed up hipsters, AFL footy players and Chinese property moguls. The rest are in dilapidated housing built in the 1940s through 1970s (or in the case of the inner city, the late 1800s through 1930s) or sleeping outside Flinders Street Station.
  mrmoopt Chief Commissioner

Location: _
Thank you Woodford for helping to articulate the trend that I have been noticing on these forums as of late, particularly when it comes to a certain administrator posting hysterical news articles about "Melbourne's Transport Woes" and proclaiming each time that Andrews is a dead man walking. This is despite the fact that his government is actually working really hard as they are at the moment to bring much needed transport infrastructure into Victoria, amongst other projects and policies outside of the transport sphere.

It is a shame that there is no pleasing certain people unless the Premier waves a magic wand and everything gets done at once.
OzFrog
The original op is right- densities need to increase. Especially in inner West. It is not an easy fix
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The original op is right- densities need to increase. Especially in inner West. It is not an easy fix
calt
Arguably Footscray is much worse because of the number of cheap looking high rises that have gone up there. It certainly hasn't 'gentrified' in the way that everyone has been expecting it to despite the increase in population.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The rest are in dilapidated housing built in the 1940s through 1970s (or in the case of the inner city, the late 1800s through 1930s) or sleeping outside Flinders Street Station.
Heihachi_73
People are going to have to get used to all those homeless camps all around the inner city; it's going to be a permanent feature because there simply isn't any affordable housing for the poor. I think we also have to accept that as a society we don't really care about the people stuck on the bottom any longer - my late grandfather used to tell me of the large camps of homeless during the Depression pretty much in exactly the same places that they're springing up now along the river and in laneways.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The rest are in dilapidated housing built in the 1940s through 1970s (or in the case of the inner city, the late 1800s through 1930s) or sleeping outside Flinders Street Station.
People are going to have to get used to all those homeless camps all around the inner city; it's going to be a permanent feature because there simply isn't any affordable housing for the poor. I think we also have to accept that as a society we don't really care about the people stuck on the bottom any longer - my late grandfather used to tell me of the large camps of homeless during the Depression pretty much in exactly the same places that they're springing up now along the river and in laneways.
don_dunstan

Apparently where Cosco is now located on Footscray Road and from there to the waters edge, there used to be quite a big shanty town where I'm told after the Queen Victoria market closed for trading, the poor people used to head there to scavenge.

Mike.

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