Tangara Original Doors

 
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Hi all,

Does anyone know whether the original Tangara doors still exist? If so, where can I find them?

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  Colonel Leon Junior Train Controller

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Hi all,

Does anyone know whether the original Tangara doors still exist? If so, where can I find them?
NSWGR_C3813
I'm pretty sure all the Tangaras have new lightweight doors. I'm not sure if they preserved any of the old doors.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

Does anyone know if there is any real time savings from using the new doors?  When I was last went used the ESR and Illawrra line, it was at a time where about half still had the old doors and half had the new ones and I couldn't tell much of a difference in the opening and closing time.
Or is it just a maintenance reduction thing?
  Matthew Train Controller

Does anyone know if there is any real time savings from using the new doors?  When I was last went used the ESR and Illawrra line, it was at a time where about half still had the old doors and half had the new ones and I couldn't tell much of a difference in the opening and closing time.
Or is it just a maintenance reduction thing?
tazzer96
The new doors are significantly lighter. As a result, the plug mechanism should be more reliable so less door faults / trains out of service.

I don't think the actual door actuators are new, the same air-motor moves the doors at the same speed it's aways done.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
The NEW doors are made to be kick proof, as in many cases the bottom panels on the old doors always got kicked out by those stupid vandals always out to destroy public transport. Sydney Trains were sick of repairing these, so they designed new doors which were similar to those fitted to the M set Suburban Trains. They also needed the Tangaras to last longer without ending up the same as those Red Rattlers, as at the time they were poorly maintained and weren't overhauled as much as required. The new doors save time and cost of being repaired as they do not have those panels below the windows.

EDIT:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2o9UwoTgteg
  Colonel Leon Junior Train Controller

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I once looked up the post where the door revolves on and saw 2 numbers on a digital screen (you have to look hard). The numbers change when these new doors open and close. There's also a clip of it on YouTube.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxQRCQUj0fk
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Ok, so both part of the door mechanism and the doors themselves have been replaced. But can anyone tell me if the original doors still exist? If they don't, would you guys be able to help figure out how they were made?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Ok, so both part of the door mechanism and the doors themselves have been replaced. But can anyone tell me if the original doors still exist? If they don't, would you guys be able to help figure out how they were made?
NSWGR_C3813
Why would they still exist? The rail services in NSW no longer hang on to useless stuff to clutter up the place. What is the point of your query. Who cares how they were made? Probably not much different to the new ones but lighter. Some of you guys have too much spare time on your hands.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Ok, so both part of the door mechanism and the doors themselves have been replaced. But can anyone tell me if the original doors still exist? If they don't, would you guys be able to help figure out how they were made?
NSWGR_C3813
All Tangara doors were completely rebuilt during their refurbishments, basically all original doors are still there
just been transformed to look like the H Set doors

See these photos

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/60Gh_KmqFF0/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ukmtvbtYKDc/maxresdefault.jpg

I would say that they kept the original framework "How else will it fit" and resheeted the doors pretty simple
I hope this helps
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Don't you mean the M set doors?
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Don't you mean the M set doors?
NSWGR_C3813
Oh yeah! M set doors's thanks for the correction mate Smile
  M636C Minister for Railways

Ok, so both part of the door mechanism and the doors themselves have been replaced. But can anyone tell me if the original doors still exist? If they don't, would you guys be able to help figure out how they were made?
All Tangara doors were completely rebuilt during their refurbishments, basically all original doors are still there
just been transformed to look like the H Set doors

See these photos

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/60Gh_KmqFF0/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ukmtvbtYKDc/maxresdefault.jpg

I would say that they kept the original framework "How else will it fit" and resheeted the doors pretty simple
I hope this helps
cityrail-rulez
I don't think anything of the original door is left.

The original doors were much thicker (and heavier) than the new doors.

The new doors are the same width and height as the original but are about half (or less) the thickness.

One of the problems with the old doors was if the doors failed in the open position they were out of gauge and the train couldn't be moved. The new doors appear to sit closer to the side and might avoid that problem.

The door mechanism is mainly the same, with new drive belts.

One of the features of the old doors was that they were very heavy and when open they used to "sag" into a tilted position. The new doors still do this but it is less noticeable.

The covering of the doors was a grey plastic moulded material which included the ribs above and below the windows. This was later painted yellow, of course. I think the original intention was to have glass in the lower panel but I can't remember if this was ever the case.

I haven't seen the original set 6101/5101/5102/6102 in some time, but it was a little different as built. I assume it has been upgraded like all the others. It would be the one to restore to original condition.

Peter
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
That set (Now T20) is a likely candidate for future preservation by either HET or SETS. A train of that significance is one I would scared to touch. (Not really!) What I mean is that I'd rather let it go into more official hands rather than having it private hands where it is vulnerable to vandalism.
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

The NEW doors are made to be kick proof, as in many cases the bottom panels on the old doors always got kicked out by those stupid vandals always out to destroy public transport. Sydney Trains were sick of repairing these, so they designed new doors which were similar to those fitted to the M set Suburban Trains. They also needed the Tangaras to last longer without ending up the same as those Red Rattlers, as at the time they were poorly maintained and weren't overhauled as much as required. The new doors save time and cost of being repaired as they do not have those panels below the windows.

EDIT:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2o9UwoTgteg
"NSWGR_C3813"


Oh yes please do tell us how Badly maintained the Red set cars were when withdrawn
Or perhaps you could actualy stick to Facts instead of fiction
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

That set (Now T20) is a likely candidate for future preservation by either HET or SETS. A train of that significance is one I would scared to touch. (Not really!) What I mean is that I'd rather let it go into more official hands rather than having it private hands where it is vulnerable to vandalism.
"NSWGR_C3813"


So privately preserved Cars are more likely to be vandalised funny how that has not happened to the SETS cars
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

CityRail don't care about the fans of their rolling stock. I was almost going to ambush the Transport Minister when I heard he was going to replace the V sets with new Intercity carriages from South Korea. Also, nobody in the government cares about the S sets and eventually K sets and C sets going to the scrap yard, instead they are really excited about new Waratah replacements. So, why would they go to the trouble of preserving the old Tangara doors let alone old S, K and C sets? Of course, I couldn't think of anyone who would buy any of these components (old doors in this case) so they could look at it. If CityRail only preserved a couple of the U sets, I can't imagine why they would preserve a door.
"Colonel Leon"


CityRail do not care because CityRail has not existed for several years now

Try Sydney Trains

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