Preserved S set Cars

 
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Since the first S sets were withdrawn, it's not known which cars will be saved. So far I know that three have been stored at Broadmeadow. These are:

C3805: The first S set car built.

T4150: One of the cars on a Royal Special (I don't know when or where, though).

C3814: No idea. (It still has CityRail logos, which may be the reason it was preserved, but that doesn't seem significant).

Are there any others that are being preserved or that are possible candidates for preservation?

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  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
They're no longer at Broadmeadow.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Where are they?
  Colonel Leon Junior Train Controller

Location:
CityRail isn't telling us much about preservation...
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

CityRail isn't telling us much about preservation...
Colonel Leon
Because it is up to NSW Rail Heritage. Actually you will find Howard Collins (Sydney Train CE) quite amenable to rail preservation as he was while employed by London Transport.
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

CityRail isn't telling us much about preservation...
"Colonel Leon"



Nor will they as CityRail no longer exist try Sydney Trains instead
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

Since the first S sets were withdrawn, it's not known which cars will be saved. So far I know that three have been stored at Broadmeadow. These are:

C3805: The first S set car built.

T4150: One of the cars on a Royal Special (I don't know when or where, though).

C3814: No idea. (It still has CityRail logos, which may be the reason it was preserved, but that doesn't seem significant).

Are there any others that are being preserved or that are possible candidates for preservation?
"NSWGR_C3813"



C3801 was the first S set car built perhaps you mean C3805 is the first Production series Car built
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
C3801 was the first of the Tulloch Prototype Cars, but it was rebuilt as T4797 and was scrapped. C3804 is closest to original condition, and I'm pretty sure that T4799 (ex - C3803) is in storage somewhere...
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

C3801 was the first of the Tulloch Prototype Cars, but it was rebuilt as T4797 and was scrapped. C3804 is closest to original condition, and I'm pretty sure that T4799 (ex - C3803) is in storage somewhere...
"NSWGR_C3813"


You no doubt mean C3804 IS IN original condition
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
CityRail isn't telling us much about preservation...
Actually you will find Howard Collins (Sydney Train CE) quite amenable to rail preservation [...]
nswtrains
That'll be because he's on the THNSW board as well.

See his Linkedin
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

C3805, T4150 and C3814 have been moved to Carriage works at Redfern and are in the care of HET.

Here is a video posted by Sydney Trains vlogs (all credit to him) showing a transfer of the 3 cars in Feb 2015, however they have since been moved to Redfern in about Oct 2016



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmmMBn3TG4Q

C3814 holds no historical significance of note but was preserved because it was another series 1 motor car to go along with C3805. I can only assume this one was chosen because it was probably in excellent condition. According to the Het updates over last few months they have been looking over/testing the 3 cars and have requested/formulated a list of spares required for the cars to Sydney Trains. Apparently the last Series 1 Comeng power cars were withdrawn in Jan 2014 and almost all have been scrapped. Here is a good status list of the silver double deckers as of June 2014, including a list of those scrapped:- https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11370759-0-asc-s575.htm

There was a question posted during a chat some people had with Howard Collins and another high-up member (possibly with sydney trains) back in around May 2016 and the question was asked whether more S set cars would be preserved and the general answer was that once the last of the S sets are retired they would have a look at other candidates.

As you can see from the above link there are some interesting candidates including C3001 (first Goninan power car built), C3986 (last comeng power car built), C3765 (last of the C3741-C3765 range built). Hopefully though which ever ones they choose to preserve, they put precedence on the condition of the car (how original it is as well as the condition overall) over the significance of the number.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
C3840 is still at Petersham, making another of the last Mk1 cars not scrapped.

And is it likely that any of those supposed candidates will be saved? They all do their significance. Also, are any ex - driver trailers likely or that are preserved? (As in cars D4010 - D4096).

I heard a rumour that some K sets are going down with the S sets? Is this true?
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

C3840 is still at Petersham, making another of the last Mk1 cars not scrapped.

And is it likely that any of those supposed candidates will be saved? They all do their significance. Also, are any ex - driver trailers likely or that are preserved? (As in cars D4010 - D4096).

I heard a rumour that some K sets are going down with the S sets? Is this true?
NSWGR_C3813

I imagine they'll probably preserve at least one example of each type. So far they have 2 MK1 Comeng power cars and a Goninan trailer. There is still the driving trailer as you said (are any still unconverted into trailers?), a Comeng trailer (T49xx), Goninan power car (along with probably a spare), etc. Interesting that you mention C3840, it's been painted all grey if I'm not mistaken, hard to tell if it would ever run again. Haven't heard anything about the K sets.


It's interesting to note that the State Gov in Dec 2016 announced that they have entered into a new contract for more Waratah trains due to start coming around probably by end of 2018. These will probably replace the last of the S sets, although it'll be interesting if they extend the contract to perhaps start replacing the K sets as well. I was on-board a K set earlier this month on a very hot day (above 30 deg C) and the air con didn't help much. Got off and switched to a T set (the car was actually a former G set car) and was fine.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
I've seen photos of C3840 from inside Petersham Training College and it turns out the other side is unpainted (other than the yellow doors). Will they scrap this car once the other S sets are withdrawn?

Also, how will HET restore C3805 & C3814? I for one hope they either get painted Tuscan or PTC Blue.

EDIT: Apparently trailer cars don't have as much significance as motor cars. Why's that?
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

I've seen photos of C3840 from inside Petersham Training College and it turns out the other side is unpainted (other than the yellow doors). Will they scrap this car once the other S sets are withdrawn?

Also, how will HET restore C3805 & C3814? I for one hope they either get painted Tuscan or PTC Blue.

EDIT: Apparently trailer cars don't have as much significance as motor cars. Why's that?
NSWGR_C3813
In regards to trailer cars, I think they are all significant, generally, one of each has been preserved, however in something like a 4-car set you need bare minimum 2 motor cars and it's wise to keep a 3rd as a spare in a worst case scenario. A simple example is the 4-car heritage U2 set where they've preserved 3 motor cars (one as spare) and two trailers, one representing a TF and the other an ETB.

I'm curious as well what will be done with the preserved S-set cars. I think running heritage tours now won't be that popular because some still run on the network. However, one day when they are long gone, there will be a desire to have heritage runs with them.

I'm not sure if any of the heritage electrics will be painted in the blue/white PTC scheme. I believe C7485 is painted in that scheme although not sure if it will remain like that.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
If HET are going to make a heritage set out of these cars, shouldn't they purchase C3840? Or have they already made preparations? And are HET going to buy another trailer, or are they leaving it as a three car set?

In a similar subject, when I saw F1 last year at the Transport Heritage Expo, it had three motor cars and one trailer (arranged as C3426, T4527, C3218 & C7396). Do HET have another trailer or is that how F1 has always been?
  Spinner5711 Train Controller

Sydney Trains owns all of the carriages.  DD Trailers?  A second one will be decided on in good time.

Single Deck Set F1?  There are four or so trailers and perhaps six power cars.  It runs as presently configured to give redundant traction capability to enable it to work itself out of the section in case of failure.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

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I've just looked at the HET news page, and it claims a list of missing electrical parts of C3814 has been sent to Flemington. It also claims that once these parts are fitted, the car (and T4150) will be powered up to be given a clean in the interior.
  zordmaker Train Controller

Location: NSW
I've just looked at the HET news page, and it claims a list of missing electrical parts of C3814 has been sent to Flemington. It also claims that once these parts are fitted, the car (and T4150) will be powered up to be given a clean in the interior.
NSWGR_C3813
Now known as "L4", these three cars stored at Redfern have since been powered up and attached to HET's generously large shore supply. Electrical repairs have been carried out on 3805 and missing equipment now replaced. The set has now been internally cleaned and rubbish removed.

Comeng trailer D4006 has been reserved by Sydney Trains to join the set eventually, making a 4 car consist. There are no further plans for it at this stage apart from making sure sufficient spare parts are recovered as others are retired.

T4814 (Tulloch DD trailer, part of W set W3) is currently about 1/3 the way through a repaint in to Blue and White.

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  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

For the S-set lovers, the Trolley Wire June 1980 issue is an interesting read, link to pdf below:-

https://www.sydneytramwaymuseum.com.au/members.old/Trolley_Wire/188%20-%20Trolley%20Wire%20-%20Jun%201980.pdf


I've summarised most of the main points from Page 22 of the issue which has some interesting info on important events which occurred in 1980 and of course involved the S-sets, which were very much "the" suburban train at the time. Included is info on car/set formations for the Pilot and Royal Trains as well as the first electric train to Waterfall. Not sure which (or if any) of the particular S-set cars that were part of these train still exist among the S-sets still in use today, apart from T4150, but I guess that would be an interesting question for the S-set fans.

Summary below in case the file is lost/deleted. Hope it's of interest!

Page 22 - The Sydney Scene. Railways

ROYAL TRAIN
- Mentions that during a brief visit to Sydney on Tuesday 27 May 1980 the Queen and Prince Phillip travelled from Bankstown to Martin Place by train.
- In place of loco hauled air conditioned stock used on previous occasions, two 4-car double decker suburban sets were used, one as the pilot train and the other to convey the Royal Party.
- The pilot train comprised C3059-T4131-T4133-C3053 and carried the set number R2
- The second / Royal Train comprised C3061-T4151-T4150-C3060 with the seating on the top deck of T4150 altered for the Royal Party
- The set plates were light blue with yellow lettering surmounted by a crown. These 2 sets subsequently became S76 and S77.
- Departure was 22 minutes late, with the pilot train leaving at 12.27pm and the Royal Train departed 5 minutes later and was followed by diesel locomotive 7320
- The locos were to stand pilot at DELEC and Eveleigh depots but due to the latter being strike bound 7320 was commandered from shunting at Flemington and stood in the loop at Bankstown before following the Royal Train.
- The electric trains were provided by Punchbowl depot


WATERFALL ELECTRIFICATION
- Mentions that after being postponed at the last minute due to track bonding not being completed the first electric train to run to Waterfall under it's own power arrived there on Thursday, 5 June 1980.
- There is mention that a single deck interurban U-set reached Waterfall behind steam in 1966 and that wide suburban cars had passed through previously en route to Port Kembla for scrapping.
- The first electric train to Waterfall was made up of four 2-car sets.
- The train was comprised of (from down end) T45 (C3965-D4091), T28 (C3011-D4021), T15 (C3937-D4069), T14 (D4061-C3829).
- The last car (C3829) was noted as painted in "old" red, while the others were all unpainted.
- The island platform at Waterfall was extended at the up end to accommodate 8-car electric trains, although this work was not complete in early June and the form work on the down side was foul of wide electric loading gauge, hence the first train arrived by the up refuge loop and subsequently ran forward onto the up main then crossed onto the down line of the platform before reversing back into the up platform for departure.
- Mentions that there was insufficient wire over the up track south of the station to allow an 8-car train to clear the loop without crossing to the down line.
- A new timetable was introduced on Sunday, 6 June 1980 when the Illawarra line was integrated with the ESR with all trains to be double deck.
- Electric train services to Waterfall commencing on that same day (June 6) without ceremony.


ROLLING STOCK
- Mentions that with all impending operation of integrated ESR and Illawarra line with all double deck stock the remainder of suburban area was to be mainly serviced by single deck stock.
- With this in mind the Minister for Transport announced the delivery of 100 air conditioned double deck suburban cars would be expidited.
- Also mentions delivery of additional 30 double deck interurban cars
- Mentions that Comeng Power Car C3765, the last of an order of 25 double deck motor cars was delivered in May 1980.

SETS has further interesting info on the S-sets:- http://www.sets.org.au/library/index.php?id=ddht


Here is a lovely shot of S12 arriving at Lidcombe station c. 1974 featuring Tulloch DD trailers and Mk1 Power Cars painted Red. The trailing Power Car is none other than the preserved C3814 Smile

Credit to CPH3 for sharing this shot.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/steam_locos/8391081957/
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
There is also the VIP Special 2 car S set which was used on the Richmond Electrification in 17 August 1991. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) cars C3823 (a Mk1 motor) and driver trailer D4051 led the special from Riverstone to Richmond along with railmotors 602/702 and later 670/770 which had to be hauled by 4831 which was on standby duty. There was another 2 car set I believe but I am unsure of the car No.'s
  zordmaker Train Controller

Location: NSW
CityRail isn't telling us much about preservation...
Colonel Leon
"Cityrail" isn't going to say much about anything...

"Sydney Trains" however, might.

Three S Set cars are currently preserved at Redfern. A fourth will be added. There is some consternation though as to the possibility of swapping one of the "currently preserved" motor cars for a slightly more "working" one, so we don't have to fix a whole heap of stuff that's been torn off it.

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