SCT Announces Commencement of Dedicated Melbourne to Brisbane Freight Services

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
So paid work or volunteer work? Because they're not the same and some of us do both!

BG

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  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

So paid work or volunteer work? Because they're not the same and some of us do both!

BG
"BrentonGolding"


NOT that it is any of your business
20 years as  an Employee of the Railways and 5 years as a contractor

Your record is
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
7BM9 led by SCT 06 was noted on Railpage’s train tracking radar (screen shot) at 22.5 km NSW northern line in Sydney’s northern suburbs at 1936 hours (pm) QLD time Saturday 28JAN2017.  Same train, 7BM9 led by SCT 06, was noted on Railpage’s train tracking radar (screen shot) at 489 km NSW north Coast line Kempsey Wauchope area time 9:45am QLD time Saturday 28JAN2017.  That is 467 km in about 10 hours. Thanks Railpage for the train tracking radar website SmileSmile As noted on the train tracking radar thread, it is pretty accurate and a bonus to folk like me who doesn't live near an active train line. I have Varsity Lakes to the north and Casino / Kyogle to the south west.
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

7BM9 led by SCT 06 was noted on Railpage’s train tracking radar (screen shot) at 22.5 km NSW northern line in Sydney’s northern suburbs at 1936 hours (pm) QLD time Saturday 28JAN2017.  Same train, 7BM9 led by SCT 06, was noted on Railpage’s train tracking radar (screen shot) at 489 km NSW north Coast line Kempsey Wauchope area time 9:45am QLD time Saturday 28JAN2017.  That is 467 km in about 10 hours. Thanks Railpage for the train tracking radar website SmileSmile As noted on the train tracking radar thread, it is pretty accurate and a bonus to folk like me who doesn't live near an active train line. I have Varsity Lakes to the north and Casino / Kyogle to the south west.
"petan"


Due out of Leightonfield southern Sydney at around 2215 so either Radar is wrong or she has made time
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

7BM9 led by SCT 06 was noted on Railpage’s train tracking radar (screen shot) at 22.5 km NSW northern line in Sydney’s northern suburbs at 1936 hours (pm) QLD time Saturday 28JAN2017.  Same train, 7BM9 led by SCT 06, was noted on Railpage’s train tracking radar (screen shot) at 489 km NSW north Coast line Kempsey Wauchope area time 9:45am QLD time Saturday 28JAN2017.  That is 467 km in about 10 hours. Thanks Railpage for the train tracking radar website SmileSmile As noted on the train tracking radar thread, it is pretty accurate and a bonus to folk like me who doesn't live near an active train line. I have Varsity Lakes to the north and Casino / Kyogle to the south west.
"petan"


Due out of Leightonfield southern Sydney at around 2215 so either Radar is wrong or she has made time
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Northbound 4MB9 led by SCT 04 just passed southbound 7BM9 at the 489km post NSW north Coast line Kempsey Wauchope area time 9:45am QLD. Similar reports other days had this pass around northern Sydney suburbs near Hornsby so not the same passing region as other days thus different photo opportunities Smile I took a screen image of it showing on the Railpage train spotter as 4MB9 yet I assume it left Melbourne last night and 7BM9 left Bromelton last night so 4MB9 should have been 7MB9. Or, the train tracker software has a problem?
petan
Now located timetables ( MTP_2017-01-22_NSWQLD-400 northbound) which shows no 4MB9 due north Kempsey Wauchope area on a Saturday morning so maybe the one noted north Kempsey Wauchope area was re-timed due to the public holiday. Southbound timetable (MTP_2017-01-22_NSWQLD-500 Southbound) shows 7BM9 left Bromelton early this morning not last night as I wrote so correctly coded as 7BM9 where 7 = Saturday.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Thanks Petan,   Glad you've got this thread "back on track".   Like you I'm indebted to both the people who have set up and managed Railpage over the years and also to those who make their contributions to Railpage.   Being an oldie I can assure you to have access almost instantly to photos, sightings, links to articles and the Train Radar Tracking function opens up a whole new world for those who enjoy all aspects of railways and railroading.   Is it really the end of the world if a wonderful piece of technology like the Radar Tracker suffers a glitch!!!

This thread is a great example of how a number of Railpagers have contributed to both announcing and then discussing the developments of a particular aspect of railways that in this case we hope represents a bit of a breakthrough in seeing more freight on rail.   I certainly am very keen to see people contributing in sightings and observations so we can see how this develops.  

Can we keep it going that way.  (I too sometimes groan when I see something I dislike but now just let it go.   I've been beaten up on Railpage from time to time.  I've decided to maintain my interest and my views regardless.   I've learned a lot from many contributors and I enjoy reading the experiences of drivers and others who are actually on the job.  I hope someone might have learnt something from me).

Keep those observations and contributions happening!!!
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Watching 2BM9 cross 2MB9 at Berowa just a moment ago prompted me to ask if anyone has any updates on the number of wagons these services are loading up to???
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Internal SCT Bromelton track plan  http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/QP361s.pdf  

The new SCT Bromelton track entry is shown on this track plan. If you keep clicking on the little green boxes in the corners with arrows nearby , it gives standard gauge plans all the way to Roma St and the port and it also goes south past Coffs Harbour. Bromelton http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR352.pdf

Clapham Brisbane has the rail welder shown so perhaps plans datable from that http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/Brisbane/QR355.pdf

Dutton Park / Park Rd has green boxes for towards  Roma St lower right and the port in bottom middle and back to Yeerongpilly top left  http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/Brisbane/QR356.pdf

Thanks to Graham Vincent at http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/index.htm

EDIT; Altona Terminal SCT and the green box top left has the mainline plan http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/VP171s.pdf
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Thanks @petan very comprehensive.

Any ideas what the current yard pilot is at Laverton?
  a6et Minister for Railways

Report for **NO** crew car on 4BM9 on Locoshed Yahoogroup by Barry Cook via Phillip Clarke for Thursday 26JAN2017 at time 18.38 Yass Junction NSW: 18.38: (quote) SCT010 + SCT014 (a-b) + 1 flat wagon carry 1 round tanker & half of container + 23 louver/box vans on 4BM9 No crew car this time. (end quote)  I did not change the spelling.


4BM9 is the southbound one so either it arrived at Bromelton QLD without a crew car or there is a spare crew car at Bromelton. No crew car raises the question of crew arrangements???
As pointed out elsewhere the crew car on the first train was to convey SCT management.

AFAIK relay working is not permitted in NSW.

No idea where the crew changes are rostered, but probably Junee, Sydney, somewhere around Taree and possibly Brisbane.
bingley hall
My understanding is that crew cars are not used in NSW.

Its quite possible that SCT has been able to recruit crews made redundant by both PN and Aurizon from the North coast depots, as there have been many from Taree and Grafton put off over the years, depending on how long they had been off they would still have full SW and road knowledge qualifications, meaning a refreshing is that was required. Other aspect maybe that there were a number of crews employed as casuals at those depots meaning SCT could have canvassed them with the promise of full time work.

There are different scenarios as to their running and change overs. Sydney - Taree, then Taree - Bromelton, is the most likely, depending on the running time/time tabling of the train.  Its also possible that Grafton could come in somewhere as well.  What makes the NCL a bit harder is the distance and times of the trains and what peak sections come into play.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
As per advice from fellow Railpager Daly Waters this was the indicative crew working proposed;

"SCT crews will be from Laverton. Momentum crews will run the trains from Wagga or Junee to Brisbane.

No SCT crews to be based in NSW".


It's my understanding SCT have been changing crews in Cootamundra as well but stand to be corrected.   So yes crews are located in NSW but they are not SCT staff.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

Altona to Barnawartha then on to Wagga - SCT Melbourne crew.

Wagga to Cambelltown  - Momentum crew

Cambelltown to Taree - Momentum crew

Taree to Bromelton -  Momentum crew.

Subject to change.

Altona shunt loco - X 51, SCT local crew.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Thanks Daly Waters
  a6et Minister for Railways

Altona to Barnawartha then on to Wagga - SCT Melbourne crew.

Wagga to Cambelltown  - Momentum crew

Cambelltown to Taree - Momentum crew

Taree to Bromelton -  Momentum crew.

Subject to change.

Altona shunt loco - X 51, SCT local crew.
DalyWaters
What are momentum crews?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
What are momentum crews?
a6et
Labour hire company
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
http://momentumrail.com
  a6et Minister for Railways

http://momentumrail.com
james.au
Thanks for the link James but, still a few questions.

So how do they operate? I have never heard of this sort of employment before, but I'm not surprised by it though owing to way that most industries are going in regard to the casualisation of the workforce &/or having roaming staff that are no more than gypsy types. here today at one campsite and gone to another one tomorrow.

Prior to privatisation, NSW had a fair amount of depots that were very much seasonal as general goods was turned away from rail, meaning they usually only had a small number of regular train crews along with other floating staff or as some had the title of relief officer, home station  "Woop Woop"  often they never worked at Woop Woop but travelled by roster to work at many other stations/signalboxes etc.  

When a depot was short for enginement the railways would call for men to go on loan to the depots, especially when a seasonal or similar heavy lift of traffic generally occcured, they received some expenses to cover renting in those districts, mostly those who went were juniors to those at the specific depot and just got crumbs of work, but some liked it and often stayed after the loan period ended if they could get a permanent transfer.

Thing is though with the staff required to operate the SCT trains, would the be sourced from local area as full time or just on an as required basis?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
At one stage relay working was absolutely banned in NSW for some reason known only unto themselves. Is this still the case and, if so, does anyone know the reason?
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
I always thought it was the Union doing, membership protection among other things.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
At one stage relay working was absolutely banned in NSW for some reason known only unto themselves. Is this still the case and, if so, does anyone know the reason?
YM-Mundrabilla
Yet relay working was ok for long distance buses in NSW but not QLD in the 1980s. Don't know anything more recent as 1987 was the last long distance bus trip. I boarded the interstate coach in Coolangatta QLD for Melbourne. Driver drove across the border to Tweed Heads and collected the other driver and announced over the PA that relay driving (aka two -up system) was not allowed in QLD. The driver off duty's sleeping area was a cubby hole across the width of the bus behind the back seats. They changed every few hours all the way to Melbourne via the inland route.

One of the rail operators in QLD has ex passengers carriages redone as crew relay vans.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I always thought it was the Union doing, membership protection among other things.
nscaler69
Could well be Union but my recollection was that it was another of those issues that are OK everywhere nationwide except in NSW but I am not certain about it.
  a6et Minister for Railways

At one stage relay working was absolutely banned in NSW for some reason known only unto themselves. Is this still the case and, if so, does anyone know the reason?
Yet relay working was ok for long distance buses in NSW but not QLD in the 1980s. Don't know anything more recent as 1987 was the last long distance bus trip. I boarded the interstate coach in Coolangatta QLD for Melbourne. Driver drove across the border to Tweed Heads and collected the other driver and announced over the PA that relay driving (aka two -up system) was not allowed in QLD. The driver off duty's sleeping area was a cubby hole across the width of the bus behind the back seats. They changed every few hours all the way to Melbourne via the inland route.

One of the rail operators in QLD has ex passengers carriages redone as crew relay vans.
petan
Petan, a couple of aspects with this discussion firstly buses.  One of the governments, not sure which one now brought in legislation for road transport that regulated the hours and distances truck and coach drivers could do without a break. more especially bus drivers.  The first and most known one was on the Brisbane runs owing to the old Pacific highway conditions, this was before the road house stops as well.

A midpoint was decided on of Kempsey for drivers to change over for a break of several hours, one would drive down from Brisbane and then be relieved there by another driver who took over to Sydney, this also took place with trucks.  It lasted a few years until a change was made that allowed two drivers to be on the buses, and they were to change over at roughly two hour intervals and they went the whole distance between the capitals, the next change was brought in with the road house stops an the start of the stop revive survive initiative.

Trucks went early but they had to stop and put in their log books the driving time, and supposed to be monitered. The interesting thing is that you can travel the highways these days and not fin many interstate buses anymore, usually they come out as replacements for XPT's during shutdowns, and for me a real backward step.  Road transport in both passenger and freight is supposed to be regulated, and the drivers have to stop every so often for a break as the stop etc applies to them. A train driver does not have that advantage, if he has a competent mate he can hand over and get a break then, but he is still in charge, that's on freight but on a Pax service its go to the point of relief no matter the hours.

I don't know the reason why no crew cars exist in NSW but, train drivers fought hard for some old archaic conditions to be removed that used to apply up until the earlyish 60's, IIRC the last depot that had it in operation was Dubbo, but prior to that this working applied in several areas, especially Parkes.  A crew from the primary depot, Parkes/Dubbo would start their working week and work a train in steam days from there to the next general depot or barracks point outward from the depot. In each case those out depots had just enough crews to work set rosters including doing engine relays and servicing.

Dubbo worked in this manner Dubbo - Nyngan - 8 hours in barracks, then to Cobar 10 hours in barracks, return to Nyngan, 10 hours in barracks, then to Bourke, 10 hours in barracks then back to Nyngan, and if train working happened to fall in place the could end up going back to Cobar, Bourke or even Brewarrina, then back to Nyngan before heading home to Dubbo, they were supposed to be away no more than 7 days.

A similar pattern applied at Parkes, where the crews would work out bound to Broken Hill with breaks at (worst case) Condobolin, Euabolong west, Roto, Ivanhoe, Menindee, BH.  Here they could end up spending a couple of days before an east bound train was formed, meaning they could also be required to work a shift on the local Shunting engine, if that happened they had to have 11 hours off duty before and after that shift before plodding back to Parkes. If there was no train east for a few days, and one was to depart before they had the required amount of time off, they could be sent home passenger, if they had missed the comet then they rode the brake van, but that could mean the same stops on the way back unless the train was worked by crews from the intermediate depots.

This working was finally eliminated when the BH was dieseled, after a long dispute. When it was knocked out of Dubbo it was officially put out from the workings and the old award provisions allowing it were removed.

It is therefore possible that this could have been what stopped the idea of crew cars. England had a similar arrangement and it was only permitted in running from one point to the trains destination and return over that same route on return unlike the Dubbo and branches tour scenario.

The other aspect with that working and I know that at some AFULE divisional council meetings that some councilors would raise the issue of excessive barracks working in certain depots, especially when the railways were short of crews, and used men constantly to barracks rather than adopt change over working.  Some men loved to go to barracks for domestic get away reasons, whilst others hated it for the same reasons, as it deprived them of a family life, especially in seasonal depots. It also caused a lot of tensions with the wife and children if husband and dad was constantly away.
  packa Junior Train Controller

Both SCT BM and MB in North East Vic tonight.  Crossing at the Wangaratta sale yards it looks like.
  cuthbert Train Controller

I hear there is 4 locos on BM9 today.

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