Melbourne Rail Duplication Authority

 
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

New thread replaces this one called Melbourne Rail Upgrade Strategy Plan, trying to delete this thread. Any moderators are welcome to remove the thread.


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  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Duplication of the current already duplicated  Caulfield-Dandenong line would, in my opinion, bring the most beneficial service improvement and economic benefits to the network.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Duplication of the current already duplicated  Caulfield-Dandenong line would, in my opinion, bring the most beneficial service improvement and economic benefits to the network.
Boss
Any improvements to the Cranbourne (and distantly to.... *ahem* Leongatha) line would be a moot point unless this happens.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Someone replied about how should do all the projects together to reap all the benefits.

Heres my reply I tried to post before:
Yes, your right I could bundle the projects together so takes less time and disruption. But highly unlikely all will happen all at once since I believe there would be other projects that could happen alongside the duplication to increase the benefits. These projects could be rail extensions (Cranbourne, Upfeild) , level crossing removal (anywhere on the network), quad track (Camberwell to Box hill, Melton) and high capacity signalling (anywhere on the network)
James974
I didn't mean all projects at once. I meant all projects related to a given line at once.

Oh, and give the job to the LXRA to do in conjunction with level crossing removals.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
A lot of work listed here.  How would you prioritise it, and where would the money come from?

Some of the suggestions would be related to level crossing removal and other works.  For example, duplication to Lilydale would have to be tied in with the Maroondah Highway crossing removal, and if not done concurrently then whichever of these occurs first would have to make allowances for the other.  

Beyond Diamond Creek is not "just country".  It's a rapidly growing area - have you been there lately?  It would not make sense, in this day and age, to abandon a perfectly good railway line, albeit limited to single track at present.   Several years ago there was a proposal to close the line beyond Eltham;  now we have a suggestion to close it beyond Diamond Creek - will Wattle Glen be next?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Box Hill to Ringwood should have been designed for three tracks ever since the LXRA started. Laburnum and Nunawading were both done with a gap for a future third track, and then they said screw that and did the rest of the grade separations two tracks wide. I wonder if the tracks at Blackburn and Heatherdale will become pretzels in today's heat.
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Duplication of the current already duplicated  Caulfield-Dandenong line would, in my opinion, bring the most beneficial service improvement and economic benefits to the network.
You mean Quadding between Caufeild-Dandenong which I totally agree with you. But I think easier to duplicate the Cranbourne line first, then quad the line between Caufeild and Dandenong. This is because there is not much room at the Caulfeild end to expand to four tracks, need to demolish properties that sit next to the railway. (and note; won't be good politically either since the skyrail backlash)
James974
James974, I used duplicating not quadding to fit within the name of the Forum.  It is of course the same outcome.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Any positive or negative feedback is welcome!
dthead

In the ETTT (Epping Thornliegh Third Track) A section near Epping station, and a creek bridge near Beecroft, were built on viaducts rather than tall embankments.

Tall embankments might have problems with excessive width, and stability problems, so viaducts with tall piers seem to be a better solution in hilly terrain.

Another example is the curving (Highway) Sea Cliff Bridge near Stanwell Park, which has its piers almost in the sea. The piers present only a small target for ocean waves, which just wash around them. A viaduct in the sea might also be a solution to the problematic Dawlish section in UK.

New railways built by the Chinese in China and Africa also have long sections on viaducts, which creates easy grade crossings for wildlife, etc.

So keep this in mind for your proposed duplication proposals.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
1. Duplicate Heidelberg to Rosanna (funded)
2. Duplicate Deer Park to Melton (funded)
3. Quad Caulfield to Dandenong, as a part of SkyRail project.
4. Duplicate Dandenong to Cranbourne
5. Duplicate Moorolbark to Lilydale (incorporate into LXRA projext with Maroondah HWY crossing in Lilydale)
6. Duplicate Gowrie to Upfield. Rehabilitate, duplicate and reopen line from Upfield to Somerton (Roxburgh Park)
7. Duplicate Seaholme to Westona

Do these in this order. Should keep 'em busy for a decade or so.

After that if there is any money left;
8. Duplicate Greensborough to Eltham,
9. Duplicate remainding sections of the Altona loop
10. Duplicate Ferntree Gully to Upper Ferntree Gully
  InTransit Station Staff

At first I thought the thread title was satirical... yet another authority to duplicate the same skill set of other authorities....
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Overall very well thought out, but you left out duplicating the rest of the Hurstbridge line probably be 11. or 10. Also note the Quad to Caulfeild to Dandenong is not likely to happening under skyrail.
James974
I purposely left out the remainder of the Hurstbridge line (Eltham to Hurstbridge) as I don't think duplication is warranted there. Beyond Eltham the line doesn't require a much heavier service than it currently gets. Beyond Diamond Creek to Hurstbridge the line is mainly through a rural landscape. Wattle Glen is among the quietest stations on the METRO network, and Hurstbrisge isn't far behind, a 40 minute service will more than suffice for the years to come.

As for Caulfield to Dandenong, I agree the Quadding isn't likely to happen, but it definitely should. This is the busiest line in Melbourne, and is only going to get busier in the coming years. 2 tracks won't cut it for much longer.
  damooops Junior Train Controller

Location: The Revenue Raising State
G'day all.
What about the missing link out west? Werribee to Wyndham Vale with stabling?
There is also a new proposed line from Infrastructure Victoria from Thomastown or Lalor to Wollert.
Cheers all
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Going to do full re edit on the main thread post to make it clear it not just duplication in the scope of the works involved.
James974
In the future DO NOT DO THIS.

Now a lot of this thread makes no sense, other users of this thread responded to what you put in your opening post, now that you have completly changed this post it makes a lot of the earlier responses invalid. If you want to update your opinion of what direction you think this thread should go in, do so in a new post.

This thread is now an incoherent mess.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Going to do full re edit on the main thread post to make it clear it not just duplication in the scope of the works involved.
In the future DO NOT DO THIS.

Now a lot of this thread makes no sense, other users of this thread responded to what you put in your opening post, now that you have completly changed this post it makes a lot of the earlier responses invalid. If you want to update your opinion of what direction you think this thread should go in, do so in a new post.

This thread is now an incoherent mess.
Gman_86
Sorry, I decided now to rethread the list onto a new thread and keep it consistent. Its called Mebourne Rail Upgrade Strategy Plan. Just deleted most of stuff on this thread hopefully the whole thread can be removed and discuss on the new one. Thanks for your insightful comment, I learn next time not to mess up the thread like this one.

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