Railpage Radar and Trainfinder.otenko down for 1 day straight

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Never used train finder or Artc just radar which o found to be very. Very good so I hope it returns.

The people here are quite resourceful and clever so hopefully it will be back.

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  BagOfComengs Beginner

No One Knows what im doing Wink
  marvin Assistant Commissioner

Location: Mars... "The Earth? Oh, the Earth will be gone in just a few seconds!"
http://definitlyartc.my-free.website/
BagOfComengs
Are you related to TranzitJim ?


marvin
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  M636C Minister for Railways

Access to loco phone numbers has not been available on 4TRAK client since mid last year.
bevans
I recall seeing phone numbers in 4Trak but since I wasn't interested in them, I didn't notice if they went away, for which I take your word. I never recall seeing them in Trainfinder. If the phone numbers went away from 4Trak, presumably, they disappeared from Trainfinder, which used 4Trak as its data source, at the same time...

This would suggest that the hysteria on this forum about Trainfinder providing phone numbers is completely incorrect... and could not be the reason for closing down "public access" to 4Trak six months after the numbers were removed.

At least I still have my 4Tel coffee cup on my desk at work.

Peter
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
At least I still have my 4Tel coffee cup on my desk at work.
M636C

Does that help you to find trains somehow? Smile
  Trainguy01 Station Master

Location: Casino
Railpage radar was back online yesterday. Seems to be down again. Hopefully it stays online next time
  NODDY242 Station Master

Location: Kiama Region NSW
Was that yesterday or the 8/2/17 at 1559:31?
  NODDY242 Station Master

Location: Kiama Region NSW
Sorry Trainguy I see it was on yesterday it previously showed the 8/2......
Are these just errors?
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Two reasons told to me by ARTC personnel as to why public access has been stopped.
An idiot had set up his gear very close to the up track at a location on the short south so that he could get a shot of a down train. He was noticed by a passing ARTC crew who stopped their car. When told that he was in a very dangerous position and if an up train came around the curve the driver would be very stressed by what he was seeing the idiot replied that he had checked Radar and there was nothing showing approaching on the up, so he thought it was safe.
Evidence found on a graffiti vandal's phone that indicated they had been using one of the aps to locate the whereabouts of a specific locomotive that had been targeted. Apparently there are "competitions" amongst this community of "artists" to see which group can be the first get their work on to certain locomotives, usually ones that have newly entered service or are heritage units.
There are doubtless other reasons as well, but the above two are typical of how the actions of a few have ruined the situation for everyone else.
Somehow I was led to form the impression that Railpage Radar had been officially sanctioned. Here's hoping the team who have worked very hard to develop the facility are able to negotiate with ARTC and can develop the ap in a way which addresses any concerns that ARTC have. As many people have said, I would be happy to pay an annual subscription fee and go through a rigorous ID process, but from what I'm hearing from people in the rail industry, I'm not holding my breathe in anticipation of access to the system being made available.
BW
  Trainguy01 Station Master

Location: Casino
It was yesterday the 10th. Just jumped on this morning to find the location of many trains, however unfortunately I have since refreshed the page so the trains have disappeared. However the error message displays when the site was last online, yesterday the 10th of February.

Here is a screenshot of the error message
  NODDY242 Station Master

Location: Kiama Region NSW
Thanks Bevan for clarifying the situation
Its a shame some people ruin it for the more considerate..Unfortunately that happens in a lot of situations in life.
We will have to leave in the hands of the negotiating team & the ARTC
Regards Noddy242
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Sorry Trainguy I see it was on yesterday it previously showed the 8/2......
Are these just errors?
NODDY242

We received train data yesterday.
  Booly Junior Train Controller

it is a real shame that public access has been stopped thanks to idiots not using it for what it is intended for . To the most of us that used it for what is was meant to be use for now have to suffer . Rail photography to most of us is a hobby, so knowing when there is a train / several trains at a particular location makes it worth while putting in the effort & time to go out and photograph in a responsible manner .
So to all those idiots that have wrecked it for everyone else thanks alot !
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
it is a real shame that public access has been stopped thanks to idiots not using it for what it is intended for . To the most of us that used it for what is was meant to be use for now have to suffer . Rail photography to most of us is a hobby, so knowing when there is a train / several trains at a particular location makes it worth while putting in the effort & time to go out and photograph in a responsible manner .
So to all those idiots that have wrecked it for everyone else thanks alot !
Booly
A lynch mob always gives people a nice warm fuzzy feeling.

Bevan's comments may carry some weight, but are in fact two isolated incidents. ARTC may well have decided to pull the pin after being influenced by these, but there are still other factors at work.

Others involved with provision of the ARTC tracker have not mentioned any of the more rabid concerns raised in this or other threads.

The main concerns are the unauthorised use of the ARTC feed and the unauthorised access to ARTC's 4-Trak.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Sorry Trainguy I see it was on yesterday it previously showed the 8/2......
Are these just errors?

We received train data yesterday.
bevans
Could it be arranged that brief displays of data occur on Saturday morning?

I was told on Friday that 4Tel were happy to provide a version of 4Trak to run on phones but ARTC don't want the data available.

I went out yesterday. Having checked MyTrip, it was clear that the southern line was closed to passenger traffic. No suburbans south of Fairfield or west of East Hills and no Endeavours. There was a Western Coal on the Illawarra, so we assumed that traffic would run via Unanderra.

4PS6 ran pretty much as expected with only two NRs and we got it at all the usual spots in nice light. We got a QUBE grain departing Goulburn with two QBXs in good light. The car's thermometer in shade under a tree read 40 degrees at that stage.

A PN empty grain with very clean 8173 leading an 82 leading the rake mainly of ex coal hoppers (NHYF/NHVF). There was brilliant light at the top bridge with light still on the nose, and similar at the lower bridge. Gunning had been blanked out by the approaching cloud front so we went home.

On arriving home I opened MyTrip again and found 4PS6 around Mortdale (which answered that question) and 6BM4 around Cowan (good we didn't wait for it...)

When I first looked at MyTrip, freight trains showed up as grey circles with question marks, now they appear with train numbers in black circles. There are still display oddities with freight trains and some passenger trains. Only one Manly Ferry (Narrabeen) of the two running appears. Last night's up Northern Tablelands appeared as two trains (maybe the trailing section left the radio on) but more importantly didn't update its position although the timetable showed where it was.

But it's a lot more use than a blank screen.

Peter
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

it is a real shame that public access has been stopped thanks to idiots not using it for what it is intended for . To the most of us that used it for what is was meant to be use for now have to suffer . Rail photography to most of us is a hobby, so knowing when there is a train / several trains at a particular location makes it worth while putting in the effort & time to go out and photograph in a responsible manner .
So to all those idiots that have wrecked it for everyone else thanks alot !
Booly
As I originally stated, there are a range of reasons for the changes in access that have been implemented. Part of it is the general improvement to the security of systems used to manage critical infrastructure, brought on in part by the now well publicised hacking of the BOM system by the Chinese last year. Just as Sydney trains have now made access to their STNs, etc, protected by rigorous ID and password allocation, ARTC and JHR are moving in the same direction. What has happened with 4Trak was inevitable anyway.
I'm hoping that if the Railpage team is in contact with the appropriate ARTC personnel  they can negotiate some form of access that provides a secure feed of selected data to the Railpage server, and that users are not granted access to this "Radar" until a more rigorous identification process has been implemented. Perhaps this could be that an applicant has to have been a contributing member of the Railpage community for a reasonable period of time, or can be "vouched for" by two such members. Part of the application could also involve a person having read a set of "rules" that outline how network operators expect photographers to conduct themselves. Something similar to what Sydney Trains have issued as a guide to hobbyists engaged in railroad photography.
BW
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
M636C  I went out yesterday. Having checked MyTrip, it was clear that the southern line was closed to passenger traffic. No suburbans south of Fairfield or west of East Hills and no Endeavours. There was a Western Coal on the Illawarra, so we assumed that traffic would run via Unanderra.
Peter
If still via Unanderra last night then 7BM9 might have gone that way and 7MB9 today?
  NODDY242 Station Master

Location: Kiama Region NSW
7BM7 is coming via Unanderra & Robertson this afternoon going to try & get him between Robertson & Sheepwash Rd
I think 7BM4 is not far away from him also
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
it is a real shame that public access has been stopped thanks to idiots not using it for what it is intended for . To the most of us that used it for what is was meant to be use for now have to suffer . Rail photography to most of us is a hobby, so knowing when there is a train / several trains at a particular location makes it worth while putting in the effort & time to go out and photograph in a responsible manner .
So to all those idiots that have wrecked it for everyone else thanks alot !
As I originally stated, there are a range of reasons for the changes in access that have been implemented. Part of it is the general improvement to the security of systems used to manage critical infrastructure, brought on in part by the now well publicised hacking of the BOM system by the Chinese last year. Just as Sydney trains have now made access to their STNs, etc, protected by rigorous ID and password allocation, ARTC and JHR are moving in the same direction. What has happened with 4Trak was inevitable anyway.
I'm hoping that if the Railpage team is in contact with the appropriate ARTC personnel  they can negotiate some form of access that provides a secure feed of selected data to the Railpage server, and that users are not granted access to this "Radar" until a more rigorous identification process has been implemented. Perhaps this could be that an applicant has to have been a contributing member of the Railpage community for a reasonable period of time, or can be "vouched for" by two such members. Part of the application could also involve a person having read a set of "rules" that outline how network operators expect photographers to conduct themselves. Something similar to what Sydney Trains have issued as a guide to hobbyists engaged in railroad photography.
BW
Bevan Wall
Are such rigourous controls in place for Flightradar24 or is this just another case of the rail industry having ideas above its station Razz
  walfactor Station Staff

I am usually a quite type of person, now that I have retired,Due to medical reasons, I am stuck within 4 walls, my interest revolve around rail activities and was glad to see Trainfinder / Radar or whatever ,so that I could keep my interest going and see what was going on.
With the demise of these access and information I find that life is back to the just sit around, To those persons who due to their persistent mis-behaviour thank you, you have given another reason to dislike greedy, obnoxious people who fail the basic common sence that most of us have. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!
I know that your request to not ask, but just a update on Radar, Iam still unable to get any data on the map, only the error message.

Back to the dark ages,
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
.....To those persons who due to their persistent mis-behaviour thank you, you have given another reason to dislike greedy, obnoxious people who fail the basic common sence that most of us have. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!
.....
walfactor
Persistent?

There is no evidence to support that.

Only the rabid outpourings of the rebels without a clue on social media.
  sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

Location: Off-line
7BM7 is coming via Unanderra & Robertson this afternoon going to try & get him between Robertson & Sheepwash Rd
I think 7BM4 is not far away from him also
NODDY242
Daring to share again!

7BM4 has only just rolled into Sydney so it'll be a while yet before he arrives down your way. NRs 26, 2 & 94 in charge when he crossed the Parramatta River at 13.45.

Hope this saves you hanging around too long in the hot sun!

Cheers

Steve
  M636C Minister for Railways

7BM7 is coming via Unanderra & Robertson this afternoon going to try & get him between Robertson & Sheepwash Rd
I think 7BM4 is not far away from him also
NODDY242
Checking Anytrip, 7BM7 was at Como at 1428

No sign of 7MB4 (not that that means anything...)

Still , partial data is better than nothing....

Peter

Edit: 7BM4 at Meeks Road Junction at 1447
  NODDY242 Station Master

Location: Kiama Region NSW
Hi thanks noted 7BM4 he is running late..
I am at Robbo in a rolling scotch mist & 17 degrees
I think I will wait for 7BM7 hopefully here about 415pm
Been a good day to recheck photography sites out so I it hasn't been totally wasted..
Certainly cool now Steve...
  sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

Location: Off-line
Hi thanks noted 7BM4 he is running late..
I am at Robbo in a rolling scotch mist & 17 degrees
I think I will wait for 7BM7 hopefully here about 415pm
Been a good day to recheck photography sites out so I it hasn't been totally wasted..
Certainly cool now Steve...
NODDY242
Sun's gone from here now too. Lasted just long enough to catch FIE003 coming back into Sydney as D178, solo LE, B-end leading.

And before I get told off by the mods, I'll put any further interesting or unusual eyeball reports into the Sightings forum where they belong. Anyone else willing to share what they're seeing, in as close to real-time as we can? It might be one small way to help identify ourselves as responsible rather than selfish railfans.

Cheers

Steve

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