Skyrail the entire network

 
  bomberswarm2 Locomotive Driver

Ignore all the selfish protestors worried about losing a couple of bucks on their homes, and do a skyrail to every line in melbourne. Where the track used to be, as well as selling the land to fund the skyrail constructions, place a 4 lane bike path (1 fast one slow) with underpasses at roads. Convert old rail bridges, this creates a bike only route that goes right to the edge of the CBD avoiding all roads and traffic lights.  The skyrail can return to ground level just before North Melbourne, Flinders St and Richmond respectivly. Capacity increase? Add a second, or third, or however many levels on top of the first sky rail. With this created, you'd be able to remove bikes from nearby roads, adding an extra lane for bus lanes, dedicated tram lanes, or just general traffic lanes. I'm not sure what the value of land is, but land's pretty damn expensive, espcially near the city, so it would offset some (potentially a large portion) of the costs. Does anyone know the cost of Skyrail per m/km? Crush the construction unions and half the building costs without unions rorting the government. Get more money by cancelling all road upgrade projects that add lanes to existing roads already at least 2 lanes in each direction wide.

Thoughts?

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  Flygon Train Controller

Location: Australia
I don't know what you've been smoking, but I'm not sure I'd want to have a go of it. Razz
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The skyrail can return to ground level just before North Melbourne, Flinders St and Richmond respectivly.
bomberswarm2

No no no.. Don't go down, go up!

Eureka Skydeck can double as the new Flinders street with a loop around to Rialto and The Melbourne Central office tower.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
There's no need to list all of the 1001 reasons why this is an utterly loony idea, but I will list two. Firstly the need to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in compo to each of tens of thousands of householders whose houses were massively devalued would bankrupt the state. (There's also the mega squillions it would cost to build which might be even more than the compo bill.)

Secondly, any political party that suggested this would not only lose the next five state elections, it would also face a mutiny by ordinary members with the MPs that backed it losing preselection and the leadership of the organisational party being overthrown.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Check this out, they say skyrail looks ugly, in this video they can make it look nice. Trenches can also look nice too with there was greenery in it. There are pros and cons for both but elevated rail has a lot more benefits than trenches.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB-noYwwlP0&t=0s

Of course not every crossing can be a elevated solution, if its located on the hill it would likely be a trench solution. But whenever possible an elevated option should be considered. It can be far superior for connection, open space to the community and shouldn't be dismissed by its overshadowing and ugliness.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Bogong
Well isn't this a place where you discuss topics on the Melbourne's rail network? I know my ideas are crazy and out of nowhere but I have a passion to improve the rail network and be an civil engineer when I'm older. I just thought it would be fun to discuss my ideas to a community interest in rail and see if any of you like them. Seems like I've meet someone who isn't open minded and thinks my ideas are as stupid as this one. I'll admit The Newport signalling rant was a mistake. But apart from that don't need to be so against me, everyone has their opinions you know.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
If Melbourne was to now deploy a rail network from the get go would it be better or more sensible to build that network as skyrail?
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
In no way would elevating even most of our suburban network be the way to go. Many sections are and have long been in cuttings. And there are sections at street level (obviously not in the streets themselves) that are higher than even the Flinders street viaduct or sections on embankments.
The South Morang and Hurstbridge lines both share an embankment parallel to Hoddle street. Both have outer sections higher than that embankment. Level crossing removals on the South Morang line, beyond Clifton Hill, will most certainly be rail under. Level crossing removals on the Upfield line will also most certainly be rail under. Remember the idea of underground Upfield line incorporated into the Melbourne Metro rail tunnel.
  MetroFemme Assistant Commissioner

Skyrail would not be required in greenfield areas but getting out of the city to subscribe might have been skyrail. A lot of the Japanese rail network is above ground. China also.

USA I am kit sure and also Europe.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Sorry, I was a bit harsh and grumpy. Sad Me bad.
I was planning to delete that first paragraph, and I still will if you delete that quote of it.
Bogong
Apology accepted Smile
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Remember the idea of underground Upfield line incorporated into the Melbourne Metro rail tunnel.
Myrtone
Your idea. I personally don't think linking the upfield line to the metro tunnel is wise at all. The tunnel is design with upto 30tph running through it. Sunbury/Melton/Airport will use all 30tph, there's no room for upfield. Upfield is better linked to Sandringham via City loop reconfiguration
  bomberswarm2 Locomotive Driver

There's no need to list all of the 1001 reasons why this is an utterly loony idea, but I will list two. Firstly the need to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in compo to each of tens of thousands of householders whose houses were massively devalued would bankrupt the state. (There's also the mega squillions it would cost to build which might be even more than the compo bill.)

Secondly, any political party that suggested this would not only lose the next five state elections, it would also face a mutiny by ordinary members with the MPs that backed it losing preselection and the leadership of the organisational party being overthrown.
Bogong
1. What value loss? They live behind a railway line, which as they say in their compaints against Skyrail, is noisy, dirty, trains running all hours of the night. They want to INSCREASE their home value by having the line put underground. If anything they'll gain value.

More importantly, the Australian consitution demands composastion only for claimed property. 0 properties would be claimed. It follows existing rail corridors.
Cost to the government for compo - 0 - not "MEGA SQUILLIONS".  State far from bankrupted.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Your idea. I personally don't think linking the upfield line to the metro tunnel is wise at all. The tunnel is design with upto 30tph running through it. Sunbury/Melton/Airport will use all 30tph, there's no room for upfield. Upfield is better linked to Sandringham via City loop reconfiguration
John.Z
If the metro tunnel had four tracks, not just two, it would be wise. Much of this tunnel is directly south of most of the Upfield line.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Your idea. I personally don't think linking the upfield line to the metro tunnel is wise at all. The tunnel is design with upto 30tph running through it. Sunbury/Melton/Airport will use all 30tph, there's no room for upfield. Upfield is better linked to Sandringham via City loop reconfiguration
If the metro tunnel had four tracks, not just two, it would be wise. Much of this tunnel is directly south of most of the Upfield line.
Myrtone
Upfeild line doesn't have any capacity issues, it is the Craigeburn line that has the issues. If there were four tracks in the Metro tunnel I would rather add the Craigeburn line into the tunnel not the Upfeild line.
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
If the metro tunnel had four tracks, not just two, it would be wise. Much of this tunnel is directly south of most of the Upfield line.
Myrtone
No it wouldn't be! The cost of going from two tracks in a tunnel to a four track tunnel isn't going to be double, it would be closer to FOUR TIMES THE COST!

That's the whole point of doing the metro tunnel - you might as well do new routes in new spots than trying to double up on every piece of existing infrastructure.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

If the metro tunnel had four tracks, not just two, it would be wise. Much of this tunnel is directly south of most of the Upfield line.
No it wouldn't be! The cost of going from two tracks in a tunnel to a four track tunnel isn't going to be double, it would be closer to FOUR TIMES THE COST!

That's the whole point of doing the metro tunnel - you might as well do new routes in new spots than trying to double up on every piece of existing infrastructure.
AzN_dj
I personally don't support adding two tracks into metro tunnel, but I do like to complement it with a metro 2 route in the future the one that runs between Clifton Hill and Newport
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Well isn't this a place where you discuss topics on the Melbourne's rail network? I know my ideas are crazy and out of nowhere but I have a passion to improve the rail network and be an civil engineer when I'm older. I just thought it would be fun to discuss my ideas to a community interest in rail and see if any of you like them. Seems like I've meet someone who isn't open minded and thinks my ideas are as stupid as this one. I'll admit The Newport signalling rant was a mistake. But apart from that don't need to be so against me, everyone has their opinions you know.
James974

Hey James...try not to take the knock-backs too personally.

Many people hide behind their screens and post abusive and unfriendly comments in here with complete anonymity...Mad

Good on you for having a go and good luck with your aspirations to be a civil engineer...Smile

Mike...

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