Southern Cross Station had been redeveloped for the better or worse back in 2006/7. But when they designed it never thought that it could get this busy with the boom in patronage in 2008 and onwards. Since then the station is very busy and the escalators at both ends cannot take the amount of people leaving the station. Although the subway below is left untouched, but is blocked up for the public to use. Just need to reopen the entrances to the subway and upgrade it and you get another easy entrance and exit to the station. It's great news that they are upgrading Flinders Street station with their old subways/concourse entry points and removing the fence at the Elizabeth Subway. Southern Cross needs that extra entry point and would not cost much at all to open it to the public for use.There was a flurry of comment in the media and in this forum some time back about this proposal . But since then it has gone very quiet .
Hello James974 and others,Why would the subway need to be disabled access compliant? It's not as if it's the only access to the station and the platforms.
Subway will not reopen as it is not Disabled Access compliant and subways are considered a high risk in the event of a terror attack. Currently the pedestrian cycle for Bourke, Spencer and Collins St are long enough to clear the current passenger load. If need be an extra 20 seconds could probably be added without causing too much road traffic delay.
Best wishes and regards, Radioman
Hello James974 and others,That is utter nonsense, Perth was able to do it. Their city link project built a subway that was DDA compliant (using lifts) and it is very open and connected the main station and their underground station. It is very well designed to reduce noise from trains and not a high risk area for any danger. For Southern Cross you only need to widen the subway, put new signage and panelling and some lifts and and it is complete.
Subway will not reopen as it is not Disabled Access compliant and subways are considered a high risk in the event of a terror attack. Currently the pedestrian cycle for Bourke, Spencer and Collins St are long enough to clear the current passenger load. If need be an extra 20 seconds could probably be added without causing too much road traffic delay.
Best wishes and regards, Radioman
I am trying to remember the route as I have recently used the service, but the subway is used by Travellers Aid to move disabled passengers between the suburban platforms and the country platforms on their golf buggy. Recently, I had to travel between a Craigieburn arrival at Southern Cross and platform 2 for a Geelong train. I was told to go wait outside the lift on platform 8 and was taken on a rather interesting route vis the subway to platform 2 I think it was. I presume that this would be a similar route to those travellers travelling between the suburban lines and V/Line platforms.Check this show the old underpass and signage that says underpass to be used by Travellers Aid via the ramps http://www.railgeelong.com/gallery/geelong-line/southern-cross/144_4489.jpg.html
The subway's purpose Is for behind the scenes station services (this formerly took place at the Southern end of the old station layout, but has been swapped around)Perhaps is it possible to make the subway dual purpose, or maybe it can be used during peak times at the very least. Then a new access doesn't need to be provided as such and won't cost much. If not enough room maybe could do with a little widening on existing subway and upgrade it so it's open and not dingy and unsafe. Lifts, escalators can be retrofitted into the design. New shops area could be added below from the savings by using the existing subway. There is so much potential there be such a waste just leave the subway in its awful state.
If greater passenger access to the platforms Is required expect nothing but a new build access set up.
Though If you visit Deutsche Bahn's busiest station Hamburg HBF, they only use overhead concourses at each end of the train hall.
Perhaps is it possible to make the subway dual purpose, or maybe it can be used during peak times at the very least. Then a new access doesn't need to be provided as such and won't cost much. If not enough room maybe could do with a little widening on existing subway and upgrade it so it's open and not dingy and unsafe. Lifts, escalators can be retrofitted into the design. New shops area could be added below from the savings by using the existing subway. There is so much potential there be such a waste just leave the subway in its awful state.OHS bureaucrats would totally knife this Idea In the back !
Hello James974 and others,
Subway will not reopen as it is not Disabled Access compliant and subways are considered a high risk in the event of a terror attack. Currently the pedestrian cycle for Bourke, Spencer and Collins St are long enough to clear the current passenger load. If need be an extra 20 seconds could probably be added without causing too much road traffic delay.
Best wishes and regards, Radioman
Flinders Street Station's pedestrian subways are a joke and a major embarrassment for a City like Melbourne.
Anyone up for closing the two subways at Flinders Street if they are a terrorism risk?
This disabled accessibility excuse has gone way too far, Melbourne's train stations are just as anti-wheelchair as any other station not called Heyington, and trams are even worse (D1 trams run on routes which have very few accessible stops outside the CBD, while they run A and B classes on routes which have tons of platform stops). I think this is actually the one and only time that buses beat both trains and trams in Melbourne.
Railway stations will always be anti-wheelchair until an accessible entry/exit point is provided on both ends of each platform. Even newly built stations fail the disability test. Heatherdale gets an olive-green-cigarette-packet stamp of disapproval for not having an exit at the down end despite the carpark being right next to the platforms. Of course the only exit provided is all the way out at Heatherdale Road. Ironically it was more accessible when it was above ground for fifty years prior.
Flinders Street Station's pedestrian subways are a joke and a major embarrassment for a City like Melbourne.At least the subways are getting upgrades very soon, and yes they are don't meet the accessiblilty act. But remember it would need alot of demolishing for it to happen. The concourse at Flinders street at least has lifts for those to access. But at the Elizabeth subway you could retrofit lifts on the opposite side to enable access via the west side of Fllinder street, but that is unlikely to happen.
Hello All,Did they rule out building a new subway?
I asked the question of one of the wider Project team when the subway was to be re opened , and the reply was that it would not reopen due to not be disability accessible. It would require either a ramp or a lift.
The proximity of buildings rule out a lift , and the narrow footpath ruled out the ramp , hence it was and remains closed.
Best wishes and regards, Radioman
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