Ropes Creek Info

 
  viaprojects Train Controller

Looking at Google Earth and thinking of a question asked about the area in general, how hard would it be to reopen the Ropes Creek line from St Mary's past Ropes Creek and through to ROUSE HILL to connect with the currently being built line ??
This area of western Sydney is continually growing with Rouse Hill going from a few houses on acreage to a rapidly expanding suburb.
gordon_s1942


St Mary's station to the straight section of track is the problem. the 90 degree turn near Dunheved station has been a problem for the life of the line....  buying the sites near the station is long out of the question.. been asked too higher cost..

future plans - none - any idea's got ripped up with the sleepers. there is space due to the history of the area....

[*but*] the main topic has been the same for decades no funding for the projects it all goes into roads not real public transport options - just look at the Parramatta rail projects and the airport rail projects list of options - all stopped.

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  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Line opened WW2 but Parramatta /Penrith route not electrified until 1955 so whatever steam hauled carriages and steam locomotives was around in that time and electric carriages after the line was fitted for electric trains.
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

Looking at Google Earth and thinking of a question asked about the area in general, how hard would it be to reopen the Ropes Creek line from St Mary's past Ropes Creek and through to ROUSE HILL to connect with the currently being built line ??
This area of western Sydney is continually growing with Rouse Hill going from a few houses on acreage to a rapidly expanding suburb.
gordon_s1942
Totally impossible, as the road to Ropes Crossing sits on top of where the line was. The only part of where the line ran that is left is from just north of Christie St to opposite St Marys Leagues Club. The rest has been built on or was cut years ago by the extension of Dunheved Rd to Christie St.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Ok, so clearly it's too late for the old line. But does anyone have photographs of Red Rattlers at Ropes Creek? This would help with the confusion with Tulloch cars...
  viaprojects Train Controller

Ok, so clearly it's too late for the old line. But does anyone have photographs of Red Rattlers at Ropes Creek? This would help with the confusion with Tulloch cars...
NSWGR_C3813


no chance - remember the site was a defence force site - the whole line had security at the time. you may find a few b/w photos.... any colour photos are of the time the site is open to public.

you can do a few Google search's using the station name's and line name and even found this  http://www.nswnsg.org.au/Layouts.htm in the mix..... n scale layout of south creek. an maybe some contact info...
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
From the 70's I remember an electric parcel van with 2? older single deck running from St Marys.
I vaguely recall a shuttle St Marys/Ropes Ck/St Marys/Penrith in the morning and afternoon and catching "the Dunheved train".

The munitions factory was towards the end of the line. Whilst there were some federal warehouse buildings near St Marys, the line mostly ran through the industrial estate.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
What about that old footbridge?

As I said earlier, I am recreating Ropes Creek Station in Sketchup. There are very few good photographs of it before it was burnt down recently. It's literally the last thing I need to do to complete it.

With the rolling stock, so basically various Red's were seen at Ropes Creek. But does anyone recall Tulloch Double Deckers there? There might not have been any at Ropes Creek in particular, but I need to know what I'm looking for and for what trains to own in exchange for throwing money at Berg's.
  viaprojects Train Controller

What about that old footbridge?

As I said earlier, I am recreating Ropes Creek Station in Sketchup. There are very few good photographs of it before it was burnt down recently. It's literally the last thing I need to do to complete it.
NSWGR_C3813


try http://www.nswnsg.org.au/ or http://www.arhsnsw.com.au/ both will have the details - one done the layout and both have the plans


With the rolling stock, so basically various Red's were seen at Ropes Creek. But does anyone recall Tulloch Double Deckers there? There might not have been any at Ropes Creek in particular, but I need to know what I'm looking for and for what trains to own in exchange for throwing money at Berg's.

NSWGR_C3813


you only need to buy - red set's - 513 , 504, 529...  s sets - 550 . and repaint - 509 electric parcel van

http://www.bergshobbies.com.au
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Thanks for the help, although I quite like the PTC Blue Parcel Van, the livery just somehow suits it well.

So these are the ones I need:

Red set:

- 513 (Standard 4 Car Set with one Tulloch 1940's trailer)

- 504 (What Looks to be a Tulloch 1950's Set)

- 529 (Another Tulloch 1950's Set with DD Trailers, L7 Logos)

- 522 (PTC Blue Parcel Van)

S set:

- 550 (Plain Silver 4 - Car Set)

U set:

- 536 (Singular Headlights, Lift up windows, Large Pantographs, Coach Corridors or Rubber Connectors)

Note: There is photographic evidence of U set Single Deck Interurbans being used on Ropes Creek, so it would be best if there was at least one on the layout.

Adding up the cost of every piece of rolling stock, this would cost $3,400! Crazy right?

So does anyone know of any set numbers in these formations?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Think I remember a picture of a Tangara, at Ropes creek. Unsure how the timeline worked, between introduction of those, and closure of the line.

Development in that area is off the planet, yet no corridor was persevered, light rail between St Mary's, and Windsor/Richmond?

Newcastle truncation?

Short term gain, long term pain.
michaelgm

Actually there is a corridor utilising the ropes creek line. The only difference is that instead of going straight a t the industrial estate it turns right and heads back towards the richmond line behind shalvey. Elevation would be required but it is still possible for the metro to head south west and through this area.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Funnily enough I saw some wagons on the beginning of the line the other day.

My father told me that the public was not allowed on trains through to Ropes Creek but he was once able to talk his way through.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
I have found a photograph of NSWGR Red Set W5, which is in the same arrangement to the Berg's set No. 529. Does anyone know any former sets in the arrangements of other Berg's 4 - car set packs?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p8ONQzDPOH8/VmZMqdXqNVI/AAAAAAAAFJ0/MQnJGMHmCdw/s1600/IMG_0046.JPG
  viaprojects Train Controller

I have found a photograph of NSWGR Red Set W5,
NSWGR_C3813


w5  is just a plate number... it would have changed a short period after the photo was taken




which is in the same arrangement to the Berg's set No. 529. Does anyone know any former sets in the arrangements of other Berg's 4 - car set packs?

NSWGR_C3813


buy a set. then most of the questions you have will be solved with new ones - bergs does sell books .......
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Apologies for bumping up this topic, but thought this might be some interesting info.

tressteleg1 posted a video showing the workings of parcel vans. From about 4:35 you see a video of the Sydney Tramway Museum Sat, 22 March 1986 tour conducted on the Ropes Creek line, the final electric train to run over the line after it's official closure on 21 March 1986.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMpMIMzzRFI

Also of note is this link, a 1986 Sydney Tramway Museum Newsletter http://www.sydneytramwaymuseum.com.au/members.old/SPER_News/SPER%20News%201986.pdf

Posted throughout is some info here and there about preparations and negotiations with the S.R.A. for the tour, however page 19/33 in the PDF has interesting info on the whole tour, it's journey, outgoing costs and profits made which went towards securing a new site for the Museum. A few key points from the doc:-

- original plans were to run a 4-car mixed set much like the P1 service with 2 passenger cars + 2 parcel vans however an additional trailer was needed to accommodate for the number of people attending
- the final consist of the tour train (as seen in tressteleg1's video above) was comprised of C3102-T4279-T4391-C3773-C3779.

From this consist, 3 of the 5 cars have survived and have been preserved by RailCorp and are in the care of H.E.T., namely, C3102, the wooden trailer T4279 and Parcel Van C3773/C3653.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Too bad that parcel vans were phased out. Apparently, the reason they went is because they could only deliver parcels to train stations, and people would go and pick them up from the stations. Could it have survived if, say, there were electric vans to send them from station-to-door?

One good thing is that level crossings were already scarce in Sydney by this time? Were any of them still manually operated?
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Not sure. To be honest I only have a very vague memory of parcel vans. I was still a few years away from being 10 when their last service ran however i always found them interesting and wanted to go on one and see what it was like. Thanks to that video I got to see just that. Hopefully C3653 is not too far gone and could be made operational again. I wonder whether it still retains 2x360HP motors and the original compressor which you hear clicking over in that video, or if that was swapped out or altered when it was used as the brake test car.

I think as you mentioned the fact that they delivered to the train station led to that method falling out of favour to direct-to-home delivery of such goods/items via trucks and vans.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Hey again,

I just need some info about the freight stock that ran in Ropes Creek during the 1960's until the line's closure. I saw a Sydney Trains Vlogs video on some abandoned freight hoppers on part of the line. This may give a clue to what ran during that time, but what locomotives ran there? Any photos would help too.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhm3QB0ZZMI


Thanks guys,

NSWGR_C3813
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

In case you are interested in some photos of the P1 train composition, as has been mentioned it was 2 parcel vans + 1 trailer + 1 motor car. The trailer it seems was either standard or tulloch trailer (or driving trailer as stated by some) and a 2-motor standard or Tulloch motor car.

Credit to all relevant individuals for these shots.

Late 1970's. P1 (heading back to Flemington Car Sheds?) with Parcel Van 3557 + 3xxx + Tulloch Trailer + Standard motor car (it would appear)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RcF3upnQMNM/SVtW-cRvsII/AAAAAAAAAf0/2HD79_ks4mo/s1600-h/p1-book+1.jpg

Taken in 1979. P1 arriving into Sydney Terminal at 4:30am for the commencement of it's service with standard motor and tulloch trailer.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133770415@N04/32132484151/

Taken in 1979. P1 at Ropes Creek with Parcel Van 3557.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133770415@N04/25285713010/

Taken in 1979. A great shot here of P1 at St Marys after a trip to Ropes Creek and back with preserved Parcel Van 3553, the passenger cars being a Tulloch trailer and standard motor.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133770415@N04/34737296471/

Taken in 1979. P1 with preserved Parcel Van 3553 in the lead about to leave Dunheved for Ropes Creek. 3553 (aka 3773 aka 3653) also had the distinction to be part of the last electric train over the Ropes Creek line with C3102, T4279, T4391 and C3779/3559 on STM's 22 March 1986 tour
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133770415@N04/34868425945/in/photostream/

Taken 1981. P1 at Riverstone. Comprising Tulloch Motor Car, Tulloch Trailer and 2 parcel vans
https://www.flickr.com/photos/29029178@N03/4142432012/in/photolist-crjHCw-9eSAku-7j43HA-WuTakg-9eS5EL-9ePt18-Jmkp2N

Taken in 1983. P1 arriving back at Flemington Car Sidings with preserved Parcel Van 3553/3653 in the lead, the set featuring a Tulloch trailer and standard motor.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133770415@N04/25625420735/in/pool-2772838@N24/

Photo of Parcel Van 3559 with the "Blue Spot Express Parcels Service". I have to say this particular livery with the large blue spot and the yellow lines as typically seen in the 2-car diesel 600/700 series and DEB sets is probably my favourite.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RcF3upnQMNM/RmnlL-YVVtI/AAAAAAAAAHU/TYiVAE8GSC4/s1600-h/Blue+spot+parcel+van+2.jpg



Below are a few interesting shots of the 3 original (and only) purpose-built steel parcel vans (Walsh Island) prior to some minor modifications in the mid 1970's to make them in-line with the mid-late 1970's conversions of standard motor cars.

C3901 (aka 3551) at an unknown location probably in the mid/late 1960's
https://www.flickr.com/photos/monty4401/4936980360/in/pool-1563921@N20/

Taken in 1966. C390x at the Bankstown Parcels Office with "FAST ELECTRIC PARCEL VAN" on the side
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8793648@N06/2652710922/in/pool-1563921@N20/
  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

Thanks SydneyCider. Those photos are a great historical record.

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