Bendigo-Echuca service indefinitely disrupted

 

News article: Bendigo-Echuca service indefinitely disrupted

A faulty level crossing north of Bendigo has indefinitely disrupted the Bendigo-Echuca rail service.

  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
To be proactive you need to have the funds to go out and do active maintenance. I would wager that neither V/Line or Metro are being given the appropriate funds to go out and do actual preventative maintenance.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Preventative maintenance is maintenance which is planned/scheduled to be undertaken before 'whatever' is known to be likely to fail, become unreliable or become unsafe. As such, all rail maintenance prior to failure or disaster is some form of preventative maintenance. Some is planned and some is not - that is the secret of success.

These days most maintenance (call it what you like) is based on a kilometre run basis although some may still be time based.

The 'trick' is to have the staff, knowledge, talent, experience and records etc to be able to foresee, plan and schedule maintenance before a failure occurs. This is in addition to on the ground inspection and knowledge.

Think of preventative maintenance as something between a 'use by date' and a 'best before' date but based on kilometres run rather than time. The kilometres that a wagon runs is easier kept these days with computerised train loads and wagon histories.

Freight rolling stock, at least, is scheduled for differing levels of (preventative) maintenance based on kilometres run but every wagon is examined prior to its departure on a train regardless to detect any unforeseen defect like flat wheels, sharp flanges or missing or worn brake blocks etc.

Assuming that Vline follow the above principles of maintenance I cannot understand how a large part of their Vlocity fleet suddenly had condemned wheels almost overnight.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
To be proactive you need to have the funds to go out and do active maintenance. I would wager that neither V/Line or Metro are being given the appropriate funds to go out and do actual preventative maintenance.
TOQ-1

I have heard from an internal source V/Line was well aware of the reduced maintenance on the VLocity sets and was even warned by the builder (Bombardier) that putting off the maintenance was dangerous and not recommended.  The CEO lost his job for undertaking such a dangerous practice.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
To be proactive you need to have the funds to go out and do active maintenance. I would wager that neither V/Line or Metro are being given the appropriate funds to go out and do actual preventative maintenance.

I have heard from an internal source V/Line was well aware of the reduced maintenance on the VLocity sets and was even warned by the builder (Bombardier) that putting off the maintenance was dangerous and not recommended.  The CEO lost his job for undertaking such a dangerous practice.
bevans
If that was the case he should be sacked and so should the minister.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Preventative maintenance is maintenance which is planned/scheduled to be undertaken before 'whatever' is known to be likely to fail, become unreliable or become unsafe. As such, all rail maintenance prior to failure or disaster is some form of preventative maintenance. Some is planned and some is not - that is the secret of success.

These days most maintenance (call it what you like) is based on a kilometre run basis although some may still be time based.

The 'trick' is to have the staff, knowledge, talent, experience and records etc to be able to foresee, plan and schedule maintenance before a failure occurs. This is in addition to on the ground inspection and knowledge.

Think of preventative maintenance as something between a 'use by date' and a 'best before' date but based on kilometres run rather than time. The kilometres that a wagon runs is easier kept these days with computerised train loads and wagon histories.

Freight rolling stock, at least, is scheduled for differing levels of (preventative) maintenance based on kilometres run but every wagon is examined prior to its departure on a train regardless to detect any unforeseen defect like flat wheels, sharp flanges or missing or worn brake blocks etc.

Assuming that Vline follow the above principles of maintenance I cannot understand how a large part of their Vlocity fleet suddenly had condemned wheels almost overnight.
YM-Mundrabilla
Ahhh, planned vs. unplanned maintenance. I am thoroughly sick of the latter usurping the former in my line of work.

The aspect not mentioned in your post is the one regarding resources (maintenance workers are resources, not people, y'see). If one is made busy responding to unplanned maintenance, then the planned maintenance goes out the window. Budgetary constraints may not allow a resultant catch-up. Let's suppose that the unplanned wheel issue got in the way of routine planned maintenance elsewhere, and it is only now that the chickens have come home to roost. Plausible?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
To be proactive you need to have the funds to go out and do active maintenance. I would wager that neither V/Line or Metro are being given the appropriate funds to go out and do actual preventative maintenance.

I have heard from an internal source V/Line was well aware of the reduced maintenance on the VLocity sets and was even warned by the builder (Bombardier) that putting off the maintenance was dangerous and not recommended.  The CEO lost his job for undertaking such a dangerous practice.
bevans
As an aside, I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that back in the late 80's or early 90's a directive was made to save money by not fully servicing N Class locos; instead of periodical full oil changes, just keep topping them up with fresh oil!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Further to my previous comment the issue with the level crossing activations across the same period was (I am reliably told from within) due to the wheels of the trains not shunting the track circuit joint correctly due to lack of maintenance on the wheel side.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Further to my previous comment the issue with the level crossing activations across the same period was (I am reliably told from within) due to the wheels of the trains not shunting the track circuit joint correctly due to lack of maintenance on the wheel side.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The Auditor General of Victoria has REPEATEDLY warned Vic Track and the governement of maintence short falls and there consequence and so far little has been done. The latest such report................

http://www.audit.vic.gov.au/publications/20161107-Rail-Franchisees/20161107-Rail-Franchisees.html

says Vic track is looking at altering the franchise agreements forcing maintence expenditure, the problem though is STILL the government not provding enough funds. Both major parties appear to have repeatedly ignored the Auditor General's reports on the railways maintence short falls.

As I have always said we the public MUST understand we NEED to spend the funds........................................

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The report, as  usual with the Auditor general makes for interesting reading, in one section it says Bombardier warned VLine that there reduced maintence setup was going to cause problems, so VLine DID know what was going on..............................

woodford
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Preventative maintenance is maintenance which is planned/scheduled to be undertaken before 'whatever' is known to be likely to fail, become unreliable or become unsafe. As such, all rail maintenance prior to failure or disaster is some form of preventative maintenance. Some is planned and some is not - that is the secret of success.

These days most maintenance (call it what you like) is based on a kilometre run basis although some may still be time based.

The 'trick' is to have the staff, knowledge, talent, experience and records etc to be able to foresee, plan and schedule maintenance before a failure occurs. This is in addition to on the ground inspection and knowledge.

Think of preventative maintenance as something between a 'use by date' and a 'best before' date but based on kilometres run rather than time. The kilometres that a wagon runs is easier kept these days with computerised train loads and wagon histories.

Freight rolling stock, at least, is scheduled for differing levels of (preventative) maintenance based on kilometres run but every wagon is examined prior to its departure on a train regardless to detect any unforeseen defect like flat wheels, sharp flanges or missing or worn brake blocks etc.

Assuming that Vline follow the above principles of maintenance I cannot understand how a large part of their Vlocity fleet suddenly had condemned wheels almost overnight.
Ahhh, planned vs. unplanned maintenance. I am thoroughly sick of the latter usurping the former in my line of work.

The aspect not mentioned in your post is the one regarding resources (maintenance workers are resources, not people, y'see). If one is made busy responding to unplanned maintenance, then the planned maintenance goes out the window. Budgetary constraints may not allow a resultant catch-up. Let's suppose that the unplanned wheel issue got in the way of routine planned maintenance elsewhere, and it is only now that the chickens have come home to roost. Plausible?
DirtyBallast
Yes entirely possible where unplanned rectification/repairs (which are often not true 'maintenance') can overtake preventative maintenance (PM) which, had it been carried out properly, would/should largely replace the former.

In my day every wagon would have a PM due km of which there were several basic levels but I don't remember the km or precisely what was done at each PM. Suffice it to say when the km limit was approached at which the wagon was to receive its PM action would be taken by maintenance coordination to arrange that PM. Depending upon the wagon condition this could be as little as a thorough inspection. On the other hand the wagon may need workshop attention.

None of the foregoing replaced or diminished in any way the regular examination every time the wagon departed on a train.

There was sometimes a reluctance on the part of terminal or wagon deployment staff to cut a wagon from a consist and on occasions it was necessary for maintenance coordination to physically red card a wagon to ensure its removal from traffic. Regular, but announced, audits were undertaken by Safety Authorities to ensure that wagons were not operating past their set 'use by' dates. I don't know if this is still the case.

It seems to me that we are/should be approaching a Royal Commission into Vline. It won't happen of course until there is a Granville in Victoria.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I think funding is the key. Even after the V/Line wheel crisis, V/Line was not given additional funding for maintenance, and they even said they wouldn't need it. Surely that means that other aspects of maintenance were lost while they spent months bringing VLocities back up to scratch and into service?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The report, as  usual with the Auditor general makes for interesting reading, in one section it says Bombardier warned VLine that there reduced maintence setup was going to cause problems, so VLine DID know what was going on..............................

woodford
woodford

Of course they did.  Even Metro knew of the issues with VLocities and level crossings etc.  I was of the view the government, that is the ALP sicne taking office injected far more money into V/Line for maintenance.  This was announced here in https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/protecting-and-improving-vline-for-regional-passengers
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Travelled out to Epsom today.



You think they could have noticed the spelling mistake before they printed multiple copies of the sign and hung them over the station?
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
Travelled out to Epsom today.



You think they could have noticed the spelling mistake before they printed multiple copies of the sign and hung them over the station?
TOQ-1
But the spell-checker said it was fine!

I know of some of the older generations (older than me) who would interpret that as a sign of lack of respect for the job, company and it's customers
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I know of some of the older generations (older than me) who would interpret that as a sign of lack of respect for the job, company and it's customers
HardWorkingMan
It's a complete lack of attention to detail. Hey, we all make spelling/typographical/grammatical/punctuation errors (you made one in your post, see if you can find it), but this is an official sign providing (mis)information to their (potential) customers.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why is there a train behind the sign on the platform?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Why is there a train behind the sign on the platform?
james.au
Trains are still running to and from Epsom station.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Travelled out to Epsom today.



You think they could have noticed the spelling mistake before they printed multiple copies of the sign and hung them over the station?
But the spell-checker said it was fine!

I know of some of the older generations (older than me) who would interpret that as a sign of lack of respect for the job, company and it's customers
HardWorkingMan
Sadly, par for the course. What else do you expect? Sad

Thankfully, I hope, the author does not issue Train Orders in his/her spare time.......
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

While people worry about some poor sod rushing around and making a simple spelling mistake, no-body seems to discuss the bizarre official VLP spin; how can they get away with taking people off a train (the safest form of land transport) and onto a bus (which has a far worse safety record) and claim that safety is their biggest concern?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Travelled out to Epsom today.



You think they could have noticed the spelling mistake before they printed multiple copies of the sign and hung them over the station?
But the spell-checker said it was fine!

I know of some of the older generations (older than me) who would interpret that as a sign of lack of respect for the job, company and it's customers
Sadly, par for the course. What else do you expect? Sad

Thankfully, I hope, the author does not issue Train Orders in his/her spare time.......
YM-Mundrabilla

This soooo sums up the management of V/Line.  No attention to detail whatsoever!
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why is there a train behind the sign on the platform?
Trains are still running to and from Epsom station.
Carnot

Ah, makes sense.  I just assumed that sign was at Echuca!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
But the spell-checker said it was fine!

I know of some of the older generations (older than me) who would interpret that as a sign of lack of respect for the job, company and it's customers
HardWorkingMan

Are you certain your spelling of it's is correct in this context?

Mike.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
While people worry about some poor sod rushing around and making a simple spelling mistake, no-body seems to discuss the bizarre official VLP spin; how can they get away with taking people off a train (the safest form of land transport) and onto a bus (which has a far worse safety record) and claim that safety is their biggest concern?
hbedriver
Because the government doesn't care and the opposition is incompetent That's why!

Note that I don't grace either government or opposition with a capital letter and no member of either deserves the honorific 'Honourable' any bloody body.............
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
But the spell-checker said it was fine!

I know of some of the older generations (older than me) who would interpret that as a sign of lack of respect for the job, company and it's customers

Are you certain your spelling of it's is correct in this context?

Mike.
The Vinelander
That is what I referred to in my post earlier!

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