Qube Workings

 
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
B76 & VL356 are currently (1520hrs) sitting just on the up side of Seymour on a down freight (Tocumwal I Presume) awaiting line clear. Running just a bit late.
Gman_86
Mooroopna at 17 17. Dropped off 6 wagons. Report elsewhere that crew ran out of hours.

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  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I found it again at Murchison East where it crossed an N on an Up Shepparton Pass just after 1630.

This is very late for this train, is this due to QUBE locomotives/ crew being pushed past their abilities, or was there a disruption this morning?
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
I found it again at Murchison East where it crossed an N on an Up Shepparton Pass just after 1630.

This is very late for this train, is this due to QUBE locomotives/ crew being pushed past their abilities, or was there a disruption this morning?
Gman_86
Reported elsewhere that the up return of this service departed Shepparton at 00 30 this morning - Thursday. About the time today's down should have been departing Melbourne.
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
DN Qube BG Grain through Gheringhap I assume to Nullawil this afternoon with G532, S303, B74
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Qube grain is currently in Bendigo yard and soon to head North to Woorinen.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Qube grain is currently in Bendigo yard and soon to head North to Woorinen.
Carnot
It ended up returning to Melbourne empty last night.  Looks like a faulty wagon was removed and left in Bendigo.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Qube grain is currently in Bendigo yard and soon to head North to Woorinen.
It ended up returning to Melbourne empty last night.  Looks like a faulty wagon was removed and left in Bendigo.
Carnot

Cue outrage Razz
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Qube grain is currently in Bendigo yard and soon to head North to Woorinen.
It ended up returning to Melbourne empty last night.  Looks like a faulty wagon was removed and left in Bendigo.
Carnot

Wondering why the entire train had to return to Melbourne was the track unavailable for the run to the loading point?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Qube grain is currently in Bendigo yard and soon to head North to Woorinen.
It ended up returning to Melbourne empty last night.  Looks like a faulty wagon was removed and left in Bendigo.

Wondering why the entire train had to return to Melbourne was the track unavailable for the run to the loading point?
bevans
WOLO! Or maybe RainO?

BG
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Qube grain is currently in Bendigo yard and soon to head North to Woorinen.
It ended up returning to Melbourne empty last night.  Looks like a faulty wagon was removed and left in Bendigo.

Wondering why the entire train had to return to Melbourne was the track unavailable for the run to the loading point?
WOLO! Or maybe RainO?

BG
BrentonGolding
Yup.

In fact the list is endless and not always rail related either.
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MafzzGn7PXw
Another Woorinen Granie not sure if UP or DN. (Not my Video)
  Carnot Minister for Railways

^This was the return Up trip this afternoon through Bendigo.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

VL356 & S303 are in Woorinen collecting grain today.  I believe this is the first time a VL has ventured through Bendigo and Swan Hill.

Meanwhile, the "Antiques Railshow" consisting of S313-T376-T356-T395-B75 is running the Tocumwal freight.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Meanwhile, the "Antiques Railshow" consisting of S313-T376-T356-T395-B75 is running the Tocumwal freight.
Carnot

Two things:
1. The fuel burn and maintenance must be pretty big on this - 5 locos can't be cheap to run
2. Is this profitable still?  If yes, then all good, but if no, what is QUBE doing to fix it?  Could GML run this service too?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Meanwhile, the "Antiques Railshow" consisting of S313-T376-T356-T395-B75 is running the Tocumwal freight.

Two things:
1. The fuel burn and maintenance must be pretty big on this - 5 locos can't be cheap to run
2. Is this profitable still?  If yes, then all good, but if no, what is QUBE doing to fix it?  Could GML run this service too?
james.au

No one forced QUBE to take on these contracts. They took them on and would have costed accordingly knowing full well what motive power was available. They could easily have undertaken the task with road transport if they so desired especially if it was cheaper.

James if you think you can do better with $5m locos upfront, there is nothing stopping you going for it.

You Vics crack me up. Whinge like crazy because there's not enough freight on rail, then when someone comes along and does something about it (as the incumbent operator is walking away from the task) whinge like crazy because in your eyes they aren't doing it properly Razz

Marginal traffics demand marginal solutions.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is the Tocumwal goods run by Qube (not PN) a marginal service and if so in what respect?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Is the Tocumwal goods run by Qube (not PN) a marginal service and if so in what respect?
bevans
Not so much this year given the big agricultural yields at present.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is the Tocumwal goods run by Qube (not PN) a marginal service and if so in what respect?
Not so much this year given the big agricultural yields at present.
Carnot

I would tend to agree if you are considering the volumes coming out of the area now and which will be growing.  Qube have done an excellent job picking up business in the MIA and around the murray river.  It excites me on what may be possible coming out of the rice crop as we have already discussed on there and with Mildura going over to SG here's hoping Qube want to play a role.

One question and perhaps this is for @emmastreet but can we expected further growth in rail freight from the Goulburn Valley?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Meanwhile, the "Antiques Railshow" consisting of S313-T376-T356-T395-B75 is running the Tocumwal freight.

Two things:
1. The fuel burn and maintenance must be pretty big on this - 5 locos can't be cheap to run
2. Is this profitable still?  If yes, then all good, but if no, what is QUBE doing to fix it?  Could GML run this service too?

No one forced QUBE to take on these contracts. They took them on and would have costed accordingly knowing full well what motive power was available. They could easily have undertaken the task with road transport if they so desired especially if it was cheaper.

James if you think you can do better with $5m locos upfront, there is nothing stopping you going for it.

You Vics crack me up. Whinge like crazy because there's not enough freight on rail, then when someone comes along and does something about it (as the incumbent operator is walking away from the task) whinge like crazy because in your eyes they aren't doing it properly Razz

Marginal traffics demand marginal solutions.
bingley hall

Bingley you've significantly misinterpreted the underlying flavour of my questions.

From what I've seen reported here and through youtube channels that cover this, the QUBE train used to be lead by G Class locos, and somewhere recently there have been issues with the specific Gs that were used and they've been replaced with what is being called the Antiques Railshow.  I am assuming that the costings were done with the G cl etc power, not the STTTB lineup.  Im thinking that perhaps the contracts are actually quite good in that this lineup might still be making money for QUBE (or at least breaking even), otherwise they would have had either another lineup of locos or pulled out of the contracts.  I don't know, i just feel that the locos on the service are not the locos QUBE quoted for given the issues with the Gs.  Im glad to see that the service is still running despite the loss of the Gs.  My comment on GML was a possible theory as to what they are going to do with GML (as is being discussed in another thread too).

Also, I am not a Victorian, and am actually from NSW.  However I see this distinction as irrelevant, as I consider states to be irrelevant and really consider myself an Australian who happens to live in Sydney at this point in time of my life.
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

1. QUBE reportedly having loco issues with some G class, hence they still have to run the APEX (1 G) plus the Maryvale (another 2) using the 4 G class and one VL as their BG fleet. The VL is off to get some grain, so with 3 G already in use, that leaves only one for maintenance plus to run second unit on the grain, so that leaves nothing for the Toc/Deni (long-term contracts). Hence they have to hire one decent power loco for the grain, and whatever else they can source for the Toc/Deni. If they are going to retain contracts, they have to deliver, even if one train on one day is unprofitable. Standard business practise, wear the occasional losses to keep the larger business.

2. They used to run lash-ups such as S/T/T/T/B, but not necessarily all locos would be powering always. With that Toc (isn't it a Deni on Monday?) they would probably have at least 3 locos shut down or idling off-line to Murchison East on the Up; they have to stop there a while for the cross with the 16:31 Shepparton, and that's time to get the others started/on-line. Still not greatly efficient, but less expensive than it might otherwise be.

3. The Murray Basin job will free up heaps of BG locos for SG. Apart from QUBE's own locos, there are numerous locos available for hire on SG, and most of these are high horsepower and efficient machines. This may be the last year we see these consists in freight trains; it's a bonus for the preservation groups, who I understand have factored it to be only basically one season, and aren't making longer-term plans than that. Enjoy the sights and sounds while you can, it may be their last freight trips ever.

4. The GML, if converted to BG, would likely be as a replacement for another of the existing fleet (4 G and the VL), and would likely use bogies from whatever loco went back to SG. They did that with the VL (356?), which after engine failure was exchanged for 362 (?) using the same bogies. I understand the dead engine hasn't been repaired, and may not be. Nevertheless, QUBE are still running with only 5 locos of 3000hp, after that they have to lease. Back to para 1; they need 2 for the Maryvale, one for the APEX, 2 for the Deni/Toc. Still none left for servicing nor for extra trains. But then, if you were looking at a network about to go mainly sg, would you spend money getting more bogies for one or two seasons? Maybe you would hire the heritage fleet as well.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
Is the Tocumwal goods run by Qube (not PN) a marginal service and if so in what respect?
Not so much this year given the big agricultural yields at present.

I would tend to agree if you are considering the volumes coming out of the area now and which will be growing.  Qube have done an excellent job picking up business in the MIA and around the murray river.  It excites me on what may be possible coming out of the rice crop as we have already discussed on there and with Mildura going over to SG here's hoping Qube want to play a role.

One question and perhaps this is for @emmastreet but can we expected further growth in rail freight from the Goulburn Valley?
bevans
Qube are the only rail operator servicing the Goulburn Valley out of Mooroopna and that has been very spasmodic lately. Tatura Milk are the biggest exporter in the GV and Kreska's  have that contract and there is no reason why they would switch to rail. No fruit grower/packing shed in their right mind would put a container of fruit on a train from Mooroopna. Reliability or the lack of it has just about finished any rail traffic originating in the GV.
Qube's biggest loading out of Mooroopna has been containerised grain from Elmore for Emerald Grain.
And if  unreliability hasn't killed off rail traffic from here the introduction of HPV's almost certainly will


And yes hbedriver the train running today would have been the Deni.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
G521-S313 ran an UP very short grain from Geelong overnight seen via the triangle and into Totty yard.

It is not like Qube to be running Bg to Geelong?
  trainz64 Station Master

Location: Sydney
Hey everyone,

Not exactly on topic compared to all the other posts, but just a question for anyone in NSW, does anyone know when 4112 will run again? It seems it hasn't been running for at least a week now and I'm curious as to what's going on?
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
QUBE would be spewing they can't take advantage of a PN free week of no BG traffic (PN enforced lock out). If only they had an extra set or two of grain wagons and some more Locos....

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