Southern Highlands Express to Canberra

 
  act_railfan Station Master

Dear Railpage users,

I was reading some old threads and came across a discussion about
the Sydney central to Goulburn inter-urban service, that runs a couple of times a day in
either direction.

once upon a time did this inter-urban service also terminate in Canberra?

some old state-rail timetables and Wikipedia mention a Southern Highlands Express (80's-early 1990) service
that went Central, Strathfield, Campbelltown  , most stations in southern highlands Goulburn
then proceeded to Canberra.

If so ..  was this a country service that required a booked seat?

or an inter-urban service where one could purchase a ticket with no-reservation prior to boarding?

Any Information would be helpful.

Thankyou

Ps, here is the link to the old timetable circa 80's or 1990??  that a previous user posted along time ago.

http://s417.photobucket.com/user/TE2815/media/DownSouthernHighlandsearly90s.jpg.html

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The ARHS Bookshop in Redfern has a series of small books, one of which is the "Southern Highlands Express' by Peter Attenborough. This has some information about the Canberra service which was part of this named train. I have also seen these books in the Railfan Shop in Mont Albert (Melbourne) if that's any help.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Check the public timetables here http://www.coalstonewcastle.com.au/public/documents/
  M636C Minister for Railways

The Southern Highlands Express was extended to Canberra using the existing upgraded, gas heated N type cars in the 1980s.

Towards the end of the loco hauled service this formed an early morning service to Sydney and an evening service to Canberra. The train consisted of eight or so air conditioned cars, six of which formed the commuter service and were effectively economy class with old type reversible seats or the original style first class reclining seats with green vinyl covers both of which often had cloth covers. The other two cars which usually consisted of an SDS and RDH formed the booked seat service with "daynighter" seating. I think the commuter passengers could access the buffet but presumably they were discouraged from sitting in the reserved seat cars. The train was hauled by two locomotives, often two 422 class, but I think the final service had two 44s.

I don't think passengers could purchase unreserved seats beyond Goulburn, so the commuter cars were effectively empty from Goulburn to Canberra and return, although I seem to recall riding in one of the better cars because I could (the air conditioning and lighting was working for the whole journey.)

The same service could be provided today by coupling an Endeavour set to the Explorer on the Canberra service.

Peter
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


The same service could be provided today by coupling an Endeavour set to the Explorer on the Canberra service.

Peter
M636C
Tend to agree, I think rollingstock wise right now they cannot do it, but with the replacement XPT's and XPL's on their way, long term the 5 x Gouburn services and 3 x Canberra services a day need to be combined to a single operation running at least 5-6 x times a day to Canberra with an early starter from Gouburn and late finish.
  Phantom47 Locomotive Driver

Location: In The Shire
The ARHS Bookshop in Redfern has a series of small books, one of which is the "Southern Highlands Express' by Peter Attenborough. This has some information about the Canberra service which was part of this named train. I have also seen these books in the Railfan Shop in Mont Albert (Melbourne) if that's any help.
Valvegear
Ring Eveleigh Press (02) 9311 2036 if you can't get a copy. They are the publishers and still have stock.

Phantom47
  act_railfan Station Master

Thanks guys, I ordered the "Southern Highlands Express"
book from an Ebay seller last-night. cant wait to read it RazzRazz

I was doing some old thread digging and It turns out that the Southern Highlands Express that terminated
in Canberra back in the early 1990s, as a mixture of non booked and pre-booked seats.
Was indeed a Cityrail service until loco hauled services were withdrawn in late 1993.

It ran Central, Strathfield, Liverpool, Macarthur and all stations to Canberra

so for a short time the old Cityrail network actually extended past goulburn
to Canberra.

can anyone else confirm this?

thanks
  act_railfan Station Master

I wonder one would of received a cityrail ticket with Canberra printed on it
after booking it.

Because I remember traveling from Central to Bathurst on a v-set
then connecting coach at Lithgow.  It was a unique setup as they had to book my seat on the coach and then I
received a printed Cityrail ticket with Bathurst as my destination.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

I wonder one would of received a cityrail ticket with Canberra printed on it
after booking it.

Because I remember traveling from Central to Bathurst on a v-set
then connecting coach at Lithgow.  It was a unique setup as they had to book my seat on the coach and then I
received a printed Cityrail ticket with Bathurst as my destination.
act_railfan
I believe Bathurst is part of the Cityrail Network, the Bathurst Bullet is Cityrail?
  act_railfan Station Master

so nobody can confirm that the Southern Higlands express to Canberra
in the early 1990's was operated by Cityrail?? Crying or Very sad
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
so nobody can confirm that the Southern Higlands express to Canberra
in the early 1990's was operated by Cityrail?? Crying or Very sad
act_railfan
I believe that it was not a Cityrail train but by the early 90s, I was no longer a railway employee about that region.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

so nobody can confirm that the Southern Higlands express to Canberra
in the early 1990's was operated by Cityrail?? Crying or Very sad
act_railfan
Is it really that important?
  act_railfan Station Master

It is Important because, Im trying to collect Information about Railway history in Canberra.

Secondly when state rail was subdivided into two units Countrylink and Cityrail,
The Southern Highlands Express was an Inter-urban train.

One would assume it was operated under the Cityrail brand.??


Thankyou Railpage users for your input so far.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
The wider Goulburn and Canberra region has rail museums which probably have enough documents to save you re-inventing the wheel. I know the Canberra ARHS is closed but there may be people linked to it who are prepared to discuss this topic, remembering most museums have members interested in a wide range of topics, not just locomotives and rollingstock. The museum at the Goulburn roundhouse is worth a visit for this topic as well.
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
From memory and confirmed by my random tiemetable collection, the southern highlands between Campbelltown and Goulburn became "interurban" and thus incorporated in the urban timetables of State Rail in the early 1980s. In the 1979 tt it was still a country service south of Campelltown. My 1984 tt has it as a suburban/interurban service. Between Goulburn and Canberra though it was a country service.

There were other lines that became interurban at the same time. To the north, the interurban zone was extended beyond Wyong to Newcastle and the Hunter valley and the south coast between Helensburgh and Nowra became interurban.
  act_railfan Station Master

From memory and confirmed by my random tiemetable collection, the southern highlands between Campbelltown and Goulburn became "interurban" and thus incorporated in the urban timetables of State Rail in the early 1980s. In the 1979 tt it was still a country service south of Campelltown. My 1984 tt has it as a suburban/interurban service. Between Goulburn and Canberra though it was a country service.

There were other lines that became interurban at the same time. To the north, the interurban zone was extended beyond Wyong to Newcastle and the Hunter valley and the south coast between Helensburgh and Nowra became interurban.
tonyp
Hey!!

wow, I had no idea that Newcastle was considered a country service back in those days???

Could you purchuse a ticket to Canberra back then, without a booking? was Canberra included on the inter-urban ticket?

ps. do you have a copy of that 1984 timetable to scan??

thanks
Andrew
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven

wow, I had no idea that Newcastle was considered a country service back in those days???

Could you purchuse a ticket to Canberra back then, without a booking? was Canberra included on the inter-urban ticket?

ps. do you have a copy of that 1984 timetable to scan??

thanks
Andrew
act_railfan
See my PM reply Andrew. Canberra was never on an interurban ticket.
  act_railfan Station Master

also one more question guys.

did the the Southern Highlands express during the 1980's have a buffet car?

if so... how did the food back in the state-rail days compare to the food offered on trainlink services today?
(was it all pre-packaged microwave stuff?)

  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Hmm...some glutinous meat product, doesn't look very appetising. If I was that hungry, I think to stay on the safe side I'd stick with the vegie option.

Mike.
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

Hmm...some glutinous meat product, doesn't look very appetising. If I was that hungry, I think to stay on the safe side I'd stick with the vegie option.

Mike.
The Vinelander
I have had a few of the NSW trainlink meals.   They don't look that appetising at all, but they do taste pretty good.
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
The meal offering they give now is an improvement of what it was under the Countrylink brand, even if its still not cafe/restaurant quality.  Interesting that there used to be a Canberra service via Liverpool, if they tried that today no-one would use it! Just imagine hearing this at Central "The train on platform 3 goes to Canberra, first stop Liverpool then Glenfield, Campbelltown, Macarthur then all stations to Bowral, then all stations to Goulburn and then, all stations to Canberra" That would be a 5 hour trip easily today.
  msct095 Station Master

Interesting that there used to be a Canberra service via Liverpool, if they tried that today no-one would use it! Just imagine hearing this at Central "The train on platform 3 goes to Canberra, first stop Liverpool then Glenfield, Campbelltown, Macarthur then all stations to Bowral, then all stations to Goulburn and then, all stations to Canberra" That would be a 5 hour trip easily today.
bowralcommuter
You are assuming that people want the whole trip. I don't know why anyone would do Sydney to Canberra by train when Murrays is faster, cheaper, and better timetabled. However if you want to stop off/commence somewhere in the middle, Murrays is no good and then you aren't necessarily looking for the fastest end to end time.

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