Gippsland line Upgrade

 
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Funding has been put into this project in the latest state budget, which will invest 1.45 billion dollars solely on regional rail upgrades.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34blpMj220g

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  acbeer91 Station Master

I wonder if between Morwell and Traralgon they will use some of the old Briquette line for the duplications. Lay new tracks and sleepers obviously but the base is all still there and might save some time.

The 'relocation of train stabling facilities from Traralgon' part is a bit confusing, since they have just recently done some work to improve tracks for stabling.

A bit dissapointing that there's no announcements for rail east of Traralgon but hopefully there's some more to come.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Why would there need to be the need to remove stabling from Traralgon the major hub for rail in gippsland?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Why would there need to be the need to remove stabling from Traralgon the major hub for rail in Gippsland?
bevans
To make way for a second platform at Traralgon. Relocated stabling will be at a dedicated facility with more space. Doesn't look like there's going to be any downside from this upgrade at all.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Why would there need to be the need to remove stabling from Traralgon the major hub for rail in Gippsland?
To make way for a second platform at Traralgon. Relocated stabling will be at a dedicated facility with more space. Doesn't look like there's going to be any downside from this upgrade at all.
LancedDendrite

That is good news.  Will trains still be stabled at Traralgon?  I was imaging the stabling to be moved for an ugly developer lead change to the precinct?
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
The reason that train stabling at Traralgon could be shifted elsewhere is because inner CBD land next to railway stations and coffee culture is becoming increasingly valuable for apartment developments. It wouldn't be difficult to imagine up to 50 apartments going in on railway land at Traralgon.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
The Youtube clip is a bit confusing. It shows an extension of the existing duplication through Moe but there is no mention of a second platform there.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

The Youtube clip is a bit confusing. It shows an extension of the existing duplication through Moe but there is no mention of a second platform there.
DirtyBallast
Is this pdf map is better but your right no mention. As others said needs to be more detail first.
http://economicdevelopment.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/1468468/DEDJTR-Gippsland-Line-Upgrade_Line-Map.pdf
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Last time I went to Bunyip Station, there was only 1 platform, not the 2 shown by the Government.

Odd how a second platform at Moe Isn't mentioned, I would assume one will be built with the extension of the duplication.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The map indicates they are building new platforms at Bunyip and Longwarry. Moe seems to miss out as it isn't listed.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I think that it is a given that the first priority will be the duplication of the Bunyip/Longwarry section, including the new platforms at those stations, but I have formed the opinion that the remaining package of works through the Latrobe Valley will be delivered 'salami' like.

Surely if a new platform is promised for Morwell, then it stands to reason that the Morwell Loop will be extended east of the station, whether it involves a rejuvenation of part of the EnergyBrix spur or not. That is one project.

Relocation of stabling at Traralgon is a separate project.

A second platform at Traralgon, dependant on the above apparently, is separate again (and in my humble opinion, pointless). Duplication between Morwell and Traralgon would also involve skewing the existing track through the freeway culvert 'tunnel' but even if a 40 minute frequency eventuates, it is unclear if crosses between these two towns will ever be necessary.  

I am disappointed that it appears that a joining by duplication of the Morwell and Hearne's Oak Loops will not occur. I am also disappointed that realignment to remove the speed restrictive curves just Up of Morwell River, and also at Nilma, has not been mentioned. I am sick of lazy timetabling that allows trains to travel at nobbled speeds because there is a slow section 'just ahead'.

The separate project to extend duplication through Moe is a no-brainer, but again, there is no mention  of a second platform there. The scope of this project should also include grade separation of the Lloyd Street level crossing; 42 trains per weekday at the moment including the Paper train, in an urban environment.
  drunkill Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Avon river bridge replacement will eat a lot of the funding for the Gippsland Line. Good to see improvements, but this along with all the other stuff announced this week is being funded by the 'bonus' from the port of Melbourne sale, this is the Andrews Government blackmailing the Feds into coughing up/returning our money. Hopefully a second round of funding and more projects announced as election promises for later next year if they get a second term.

Great news.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
^ Blackmail? You mean, like, what the previous administration did with the EastWest link?

Hopefully this clears it up:

https://www.facebook.com/harrietshingmp/posts/1249175778514845
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Relocation of stabling at Traralgon is a separate project.

A second platform at Traralgon, dependant on the above apparently, is separate again (and in my humble opinion, pointless). Duplication between Morwell and Traralgon would also involve skewing the existing track through the freeway culvert 'tunnel' but even if a 40 minute frequency eventuates, it is unclear if crosses between these two towns will ever be necessary.  
DirtyBallast
It won't be full duplication between Traralgon and Morwell, the map indicates a 9km passing loop/lane in this section. This finishes just east of Maryvale Junction.

Sensible works packaging would involve bundling the abovementioned passing loop, second platform at Traralgon and new stabling sidings together at the very minimum, possibly also throwing in the Morwell works as well. The second platform at Traralgon won't go ahead until replacement stabling is available. Both will be required in order to support a more frequent timetable.

Now, whether Metro will be able to provide more Melbourne suburban paths post-Skyrail to enable this is another matter entirely.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

All a complete waste of money compared to the need to add tracks between Caulfield and Dandenong.

Currently, the optimum speed for V/Line to travel from Dandenong in towards the city is at about 23 kmh.  That keeps the train rolling along rather than stopping and starting as the spark in front makes its stops.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
All a complete waste of money compared to the need to add tracks between Caulfield and Dandenong.
DalyWaters
Not really, especially when you consider that not every passenger travels into the city. I agree that there are bigger fish to fry which will bring more overall benefit particularly to average speed, but as long as the train continues to roll along through the 'burbs then the several minutes gained by not crossing another service at Morwell or Hearne's Oak loops or waiting near Bunyip or Longwarry is still worthwhile. More importantly, once the works are completed, there will be virtually zero chance of one late service creating a knock-on effect which currently results in V-line trains missing their paths.

This infrastructure program is all about reliability, which in my humble opinion is more important than average speed. Put it this way, if V-Line trains no longer miss their paths as a result of these works, in effect the average speed will have risen dramatically anyway compared to what currently occurs.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It has been suggested locomotive hauled trains on the Gippsland line will be terminated at Pakenham.  Has anyone else heard this?

The Avon River bridge is most probably be upgraded and Vlocity trains will run on the refurbished Caulfield to Dandenong Corridor.  

Why would the government want to ban locomotive hauled trains from Caulfield to Dandenong?
  acbeer91 Station Master

I've heard that suggestion a few times, from memory most recently it was a recommendation by some transport advicacy group based around the pakenham area. It's a very unpopular proposition for anyone who lives east of Pakenham.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

All a complete waste of money compared to the need to add tracks between Caulfield and Dandenong.
Not really, especially when you consider that not every passenger travels into the city. I agree that there are bigger fish to fry which will bring more overall benefit particularly to average speed, but as long as the train continues to roll along through the 'burbs then the several minutes gained by not crossing another service at Morwell or Hearne's Oak loops or waiting near Bunyip or Longwarry is still worthwhile. More importantly, once the works are completed, there will be virtually zero chance of one late service creating a knock-on effect which currently results in V-line trains missing their paths.

This infrastructure program is all about reliability, which in my humble opinion is more important than average speed. Put it this way, if V-Line trains no longer miss their paths as a result of these works, in effect the average speed will have risen dramatically anyway compared to what currently occurs.
DirtyBallast
You will note the careful diagrams in the releases regarding the duplication which tell more by what they are not saying.  Most sites identified for duplication have existing formations - read relatively cheap installations.  There is nothing to indicate that the track will be duplicated in its entirety Moe to Traralgon.

Looking at the sites:

Bunyip to Longwarry - this will be duplicated, bridge built.  No issue.
Moe - duplication will only go as far as the Narracan creek - nothing to indicate the duplication past the creek and through the Haunted Hills.  Heavy earthworks required
Morwell, it will be an extension via the former briquette line toward Monash way.  Nothing to indicate duplication of the bridge and embankment over the road, and toward the Maryvale exchange sidings.

The odd one out is the 9km at the Traralgon end.  I am not so familiar with that area but would suggest the original electrification in places allowed for dual track but largely there is just the single formation.

The Morwell River works will be to address the remaining Armco culverts which have been proven twice in recent history not to have been managed that well.

The detail will come out.  There will be some improvement in reliability but based on the current information its not a duplicated track from Moe to Traralgon.
  stooge spark Train Controller

Doesnt tralagon already have two platforms?  Could the second perhaps be re activated?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Doesn't Traralgon already have two platforms?  Could the second perhaps be re activated?
stooge spark
You're referring to the old platform, which is both decommissioned (AFAIK) and also a bit short. It'll be easier to demolish it, consolidate Traralgon to 2 mainline-quality through tracks, put a spur on the Down end of the new Up line platform to the old roundhouse and build a new platform. The new stabling facility will be larger and more secure than Traralgon Yard for storing train sets overnight, so there shouldn't be any issues with 'consolidating' Traralgon yard.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
There have been mixed messages about the Avon River bridge at Stratford in the media materials.
Some say it will be 'upgraded' whilst elsewhere it says 'duplicated'.
Surely nobody would ever consider another patchup job on that lengthy structure,
nor would duplication of any part of a thinly used passenger line.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

There have been mixed messages about the Avon River bridge at Stratford in the media materials.
Some say it will be 'upgraded' whilst elsewhere it says 'duplicated'.
Surely nobody would ever consider another patchup job on that lengthy structure,
nor would duplication of any part of a thinly used passenger line.
gippslander
It will be upgraded first with the other upgrades planned as part of Gippsland line Upgrade stage 1, then the next stage Gippsland rail line upgrade stage 2 will be later which involve have the avon river bridge be duplicated.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
There have been mixed messages about the Avon River bridge at Stratford in the media materials.
Some say it will be 'upgraded' whilst elsewhere it says 'duplicated'.
Surely nobody would ever consider another patchup job on that lengthy structure,
nor would duplication of any part of a thinly used passenger line.
gippslander
Add a sprinkling of logic to the patched-together press releases and the answer is... the Avon river bridge will be replaced by a new structure.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

There have been mixed messages about the Avon River bridge at Stratford in the media materials.
Some say it will be 'upgraded' whilst elsewhere it says 'duplicated'.
Surely nobody would ever consider another patchup job on that lengthy structure,
nor would duplication of any part of a thinly used passenger line.
Add a sprinkling of logic to the patched-together press releases and the answer is... the Avon river bridge will be replaced by a new structure.
LancedDendrite
You making it more confusing, all it is getting an upgrade as part of stage one of the project, the next stage of the project involve duplicating the Avon bridge. I read the media releases and this is what is happening

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