State Govt's Regional Rail Revival

 
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
We're heading a bit off topic but I semi-agree. Mrs and I fly occasionally enough to make it seem normal rather than exciting, and during a flight I might recline the seat slightly, but never all the way. Sometimes a passenger in front of me might do the same but it has never been an issue. I am of average height so if you feel confined maybe you should pick an airline that provides greater legroom? (see my previous post)

Just sayin', there is a massive difference in real terms between a seat pitch of 29" and 31".
Didn't they adjust the pitch of the seating in the VLocity carriages a few years back?  Maybe it was between the first batch and the second order.  I recall that they decided to make them more upright.

Ross
Rossco T
Late reply. Pitch = distance between seats, i.e. knee room, determined by the measurement of the gap between where they are bolted to the floor.

The seatback angle on VLocity carriages was made slightly more upright with the introduction of the intermediate cars, and I assume on all sets built since then. As far as I know the pitch has never been altered.

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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
DO you think Chester has been good for Victorian infrastructure funding?

He seems to be saying the right things?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
DO you think Chester has been good for Victorian infrastructure funding?

He seems to be saying the right things?
x31

When we see the pudding tomorrow (i.e. the Federal Budget) we will have some sort of indication as to what impact has been had.

I doubt we will see any funding for the regional rail projects though in this budget, given the timing of the state announcement.

When the Andrews govt hands over business cases for the regional rail projects, and they are assessed, we might see next years budget include some of them.
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

I doubt we will see any funding for the regional rail projects though in this budget, given the timing of the state announcement.
james.au
The fed budget will say "$x allocated for Asset Recycling Initiative"

Ie, it is spent, and can't be spent elsewhere.

As the state government lodges the paperwork for each project they intend to spend that money on, the fed will direct that money to the aligning project.

The feds might chest beat and say they won't fund X or won't fund Y, but as we saw with the Metro tunnel, they will likely end up funding it regardless.

It all comes down to the rules in relation to the ARI. If there is nothing legally stop them from allocating money to a state project, they have to hand it over.

Remember the Feds also said the state govt missed the deadine for the ARI. Yet they backflipped on that too..
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
DO you think Chester has been good for Victorian infrastructure funding?

He seems to be saying the right things?

When we see the pudding tomorrow (i.e. the Federal Budget) we will have some sort of indication as to what impact has been had.
james.au

Seeing the pudding is no proof of its palatability...

Therefore the 'proof, is never in the pudding',... but more correctly, and which is always mis-quoted these days...the Proof of the pudding is in the Eating.

Mike.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
DO you think Chester has been good for Victorian infrastructure funding?

He seems to be saying the right things?

When we see the pudding tomorrow (i.e. the Federal Budget) we will have some sort of indication as to what impact has been had.

Seeing the pudding is no proof of its palatability...

Therefore the 'proof, is never in the pudding',... but more correctly, and which is always mis-quoted these days...the Proof of the pudding is in the Eating.

Mike.
The Vinelander

But at least with the pudding in sight, you have some sort of indication of what you are getting!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
But at least with the pudding in sight, you have some sort of indication of what you are getting!
james.au
Ah but dear James, that is the whole point of the expression "The proof of the pudding is in the eating" (I always say tasting instead of eating, don't know why)

You can look at the pudding, be tempted by it's delicious sight but until you take that first bite you have no idea if it is a dud or not!

The federal government may put the pudding out on the window ledge tomorrow night to cool, you may see it and indeed smell it's aromas drifting past your nose but it may turn out to be nothing but a bitter, floury mess for us Victorians to wash down with a Cafe Latte, a Car'ton Draft or a glass of Heathcote Shiraz in order to rid the vile taste from our mouths as the folks of Brisvegas and Sydney feast on the Magic Pudding that is the Federal - State infrastructure spending pool!

BG
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
But at least with the pudding in sight, you have some sort of indication of what you are getting!
Ah but dear James, that is the whole point of the expression "The proof of the pudding is in the eating" (I always say tasting instead of eating, don't know why)

You can look at the pudding, be tempted by it's delicious sight but until you take that first bite you have no idea if it is a dud or not!

The federal government may put the pudding out on the window ledge tomorrow night to cool, you may see it and indeed smell it's aromas drifting past your nose but it may turn out to be nothing but a bitter, floury mess for us Victorians to wash down with a Cafe Latte, a Car'ton Draft or a glass of Heathcote Shiraz in order to rid the vile taste from our mouths as the folks of Brisvegas and Sydney feast on the Magic Pudding that is the Federal - State infrastructure spending pool!

BG
BrentonGolding

Brilliant BG, brilliant!

But id put it this way.  If Brisvegas and Sydney get pudding tomorrow night, and Melbourne gets none, then what is there for you to taste but to look at us northerners consuming our delicious morsels....!  Also, if you have a pudding on the ledge, then id be grabbing it and taking it regardless of how good it is, as they will probably gladly recycle it into biscuits or some other downstream morsel for others to enjoy (looking at you Tas and NT) if you don't!!
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Another quick snippet here from the Wimmera MailTimes,

http://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/4648946/ararat-gains-more-vline-services/?cs=224

BigShunter.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Another quick snippet here from the Wimmera MailTimes,

http://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/4648946/ararat-gains-more-vline-services/?cs=224

BigShunter.
BigShunter

doing the math should mean  one additional up and one additional down service per day maybe an early departure and late return?
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Fed budget today, hopefully the Feds don't dud Victoria on national significant infrastructure, cough RRR project.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Good to finally see some express operation of Warrnambool's between Melbourne and Geelong as reported.

https://www.vline.com.au/Resources/fact-sheets/Aug-TT-fact-sheet

Hopefully going forward, this will extend to other Inter-City destinations and a streamlining of their timetables as well to eliminate some stops.

Mike.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

Good to finally see some express operation of Warrnambool's between Melbourne and Geelong as reported.

https://www.vline.com.au/Resources/fact-sheets/Aug-TT-fact-sheet

Hopefully going forward, this will extend to other Inter-City destinations and a streamlining of their timetables as well to eliminate some stops.

Mike.
The Vinelander
What is a 'service'?   Its it a new train path or is it an additional stop added to the time table of an existing service?

Is it just window dressing?
  steve195 Train Controller

Good to finally see some express operation of Warrnambool's between Melbourne and Geelong as reported.

https://www.vline.com.au/Resources/fact-sheets/Aug-TT-fact-sheet

Hopefully going forward, this will extend to other Inter-City destinations and a streamlining of their timetables as well to eliminate some stops.

Mike.
What is a 'service'?   Its it a new train path or is it an additional stop added to the time table of an existing service?

Is it just window dressing?
skitz
I think if they mention a station, e.g. "Deer Park will have 5 extra weekday services," then it means an extra stop for existing trains.
On the other hand, if they say there is a new service on a line, that usually means an extra train path.
Though there are exceptions, for example, an 'extra Ararat service' could just be a Ballarat train that has been extended to run to Ararat. The extra Shepparton service they've announced can't run until they build a new crossing loop, so it will actually be a train to Seymour and then a coach the rest of the way until the loop is completed.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Fed budget today, hopefully the Feds don't dud Victoria on national significant infrastructure, cough RRR project.
James974

Just heard the first part of the budget speech, looks like we're off and running.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

A 3+ hour journey to Warrnambool on a Vlocity would be loud and uncomfortable on those seats.
x31
go and get your back checked or stop moaning and groaning all the time
  steve195 Train Controller

Yep, let's get cracking.


Victoria will receive $500 million in the 2017–18 Budget to build a better regional rail network with improvements to the North-East Line, the Gippsland Line and the Geelong Line, as well as a study into improving the Shepparton Line. Victoria will also receive an additional $20.2 million for Murray Basin Rail, taking our total commitment to this project to $240 million. In addition, the Government will provide $30 million towards the development of a business case for the Melbourne Airport Rail Link. A further $460 million is available for Victorian infrastructure projects, which will be negotiated between the Australian and Victorian governments.
Infrastructure Minister Media Release
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I heard the good news in the Fed budget, seems like they've come to an agreement. Does anyone think the consultation on the Regional Network Development Plan has any influence with the projects they have committed to regional rail? Probably fast tracked these upgrades due to the more money than expected from the lease of Port of Melbourne?
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
I doubt very much the Feds would know anything about the PTV Regional Network Development Plan.
The bureaucrats who advise them are all based in Canberra - anything outside Civic might as well be in another galaxy to them.                
And the Federal Infrastructure Minister is a Gippslander, who has to head off a lot of local media coverage about the crap state of the Gippsland line, and tried to give reasons why it was difficult to fund. However, he has been more than happy to support very dodgy duplication of underutilised freeways like the Princes Hwy Traralgon-Sale and Waurn Ponds - Winchelsea.
The 2017 federal Budget support for rail is welcome, but has been done through gritted teeth.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I doubt very much the Feds would know anything about the PTV Regional Network Development Plan.
gippslander
I meant whether the "State Government" knew the RNDP consultation triggered the amount of responses that serious investment was needed for regional rail upgrades, and so therefore lead to the decision of the overall Regional Rail Revival plan? Was there any community input into pushing these upgrades to the Government, like during the whole consultation of that plan?

I know politics played a role for sure, due to the push of upgrades typically in Liberal seats and then point fingers directly at them. But I'm asking whether it was totally the state government's idea, or that community consultation on the RNDP help shaped the overall projects in RRR.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The Princes Highway between Traralgon and Sale won't be a freeway !
Just a 100 km/h divided 4 lane highway.

It's riddled with roundabouts (the section coming Into Sale Is ridiculous !)
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
J974, after observing dozens of state and federal budgets, I have learnt that neither major party spends scarce funds on pork barrelling in safe seats, they only pork barrel in marginal seats. So with no marginal federal seats in Gippsland, you can disregard any vote grabbing, pork barrelling motive.

Both parties only spend what is necessary in seats they hold by a decent margin and in seats that they will never win. Safe seats generally miss out, no matter what party holds them. However both parties lavish marginal seats with all sorts of goodies in the hope of winning voters over to their side.

As we get older, we all inevitably get sceptical about political motives. There are very few unquestioning believers over the age of 40. Sad
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

Chester has done a good job for the Libs and all us Victorians with the budget as the cash will assist a lot with much needed upgrades on a regional network bursting in Australia's fastest growing state. Much resources are required for V/line upgrades with the inky problem now can V/line manage the upgrades effectively?
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

The 2017 federal Budget support for rail is welcome, but has been done through gritted teeth.
gippslander
Nah. It was predictable.

The Gippy line was the worse for service, at a time when we've seen years of (un-abating) growth in use. This isn't 1980 anymore. People use trains because (for many) it's cheaper than commuting by cars. With household expenses and debt at an all time high, train travel is now popular amongst the electorate. Where before, people wouldn't be caught dead sitting next to a fat smelly foamer on the way to work.

These issues with the lines are well documented. So acting on them was just a matter of time.

The previous narrative of all governments and politicians has shifted with the recent Trump/Brexit epoch. What we have known for the last 30 odd years, is no more. The capitalist mantra is at an all time low. So trains are now back in vogue.

The trend is your friend, until it ends.
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

As we get older, we all inevitably get sceptical about political motives.
Bogong
OT but mainly cause most don't understand politics.
I'm a little fascinated by it. As it's all a rouse. But produces workable results.

Basically it is your high school debate, and two sides are put forth, and the audience decides.
I've seen my fair share of "holy grail" ideals in my short lifetime, so it's great we live in a country with inbuilt checks and balances that makes one justify any needs and claims.

ie.
We should build HSR!!!
Really? How should we fund it?
Ummmmm. Save Medicare!

You get the drift.

It's actually quite poetic. A poem full of BS. But the end result is actually quite beautiful. What a great and safe country we live in.

I find where people get disenchanted or sceptical is when they vehemently believe a narrative as truth, without objectivity.
They pick a side, and fail to consider the opposing arguments. The solution is to step back, and watch the dance in motion. And appreciate it for what it is...

Apologies for the digression, but thought it worth a mention.

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