Parkville tram crash: Fourteen taken to hospital after truck slams into tram

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 22 May 2017 14:07
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Looks very serious and appears to be at the intersection of MacArthur Road and Royal Parade.

Parkville tram crash: Fourteen taken to hospital after truck slams into tram

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Radio discussions saying the tram ran a ref light and hit the truck dead on.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I hope not, but there was an article I saw about one of the first-responders who was following the truck, and he's adamant they had the green light.

Now how long until our "industry experts" are saying ATP would prevent an accident like this?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
B2 2028, if anyone is interested.

I wonder if light rail sections like this would ever be included in the grade separation list, it isn't the first time things have gone sour at this location. In a way, it's weird that light rail isn't given right of way above road traffic as with heavy rail. The difference between light rail and regular tram lines is the right of way. Cars don't follow trams through Royal Park, it is a ballasted (e.g. not concreted like the 75) tram-only right of way and should be treated like a regular railway line, not a road intersection. If the trams are "too frequent" and would cause boom gates to be down more times than up, all the more reason for the area to be grade separated.
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

It's similar to the level crossings on the 96 & 109 light rail.
Issue with making it a full railway-style level crossing with boomgates is it is also a pedestrian crossing. They would still need to keep the traffic lights, like the combined lx/ped crossings at eg Brunswick Rd on Upfield line.

Certainly some changes need to be made, it's the second serious collision there in ~2.5 years.

BTW, partial grade separation of the tram was planned for East West Link:
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It is reported the police are reviewing reports from the truck and the tram drivers the light was green for both movements which I find hard to believe.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
It's similar to the level crossings on the 96 & 109 light rail. Issue with making it a full railway-style level crossing with boomgates is it is also a pedestrian crossing. They would still need to keep the traffic lights, like the combined lx/ped crossings at eg Brunswick Rd on Upfield line.
Bramt
I can't see why this can't be done in the same fashion as the crossing over Ingles St, Port Melbourne. From a design standpoint both are remarkebly similar. Both roads are 2 carriageways, with 2 traffic lanes each. Both have a ballasted light rail line crossing that road and both have a bike/ pedestrian path running parallel with the rail line. Also both see a similar level of tram frequency, and both are very busy roads.
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

AFAIK, Ingles st does not have pedestrian activated signals
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The crossing would be a rather easy one to grade separate, by dipping the tramway and walking trail under Elliott Av

The tram super stop would need to be rebuilt.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The boom gate cycle at Ingles Street, North Port (plus Bridge Street, North Port & Beach Street, Beacon Cove) on the Port Melbourne (Route 109) light rail:

Traffic lights:   green -> amber ->  red
Boom gate lowers
C-class tram passes
Boom gate raises
Traffic lights:   red -> green

takes less than 35 secs. Signals and boom gates are activated by the tram.

Route 96 (St Kilda light rail) doesn’t have boom-gate crossings. Bridport Street, Albert Park on the St Kilda (96) line and Swallow Street, Graham on the Port Melbourne (109) line have rail crossings protected by traffic lights only.
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
It is reported the police are reviewing reports from the truck and the tram drivers the light was green for both movements which I find hard to believe.
bevans
if the lights are computer-controlled then I think it is entirely plausible.  Look at the original "Italian Job" from the 1960's.  Given that system testing (especially regression testing) and other quality control processes are being squeezed and complacency slipping in it's possible that this case wasn't tested in a software upgrade!
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Raises the question of what happened to traffic in the other three lanes that would have been proceeding through the busy intersection under a green light? I'll wait for the official investigation report rather than those of the newspapers.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Raises the question of what happened to traffic in the other three lanes that would have been proceeding through the busy intersection under a green light? I'll wait for the official investigation report rather than those of the newspapers.
kitchgp
I think you'll be waiting a looong time. A look through the OCI Victoria website shows they have not published a tram incident report since 2011!
  themetptc Train Controller

Location: Ballarat
The crossing would be a rather easy one to grade separate, by dipping the tramway and walking trail under Elliott Av

The tram super stop would need to be rebuilt.
Nightfire
Actually it would be easier to have a tram bridge over Elliott Ave.  Heading to West Coburg after the Avenue is a substantial rising grade, likewise heading to the city after the Avenue there is a rising grade.  The intersection itself is a dip from a tramway view, and the road itself is relatively level.
Sim

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