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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The handing back of worksites to traffic on time or even early has been a big priority for all the major road infrastructure projects which are going on around Adelaide at the moment. Lessons were learned from the Southern Expressway duplication project and if this was the Darlington Upgrade, Torrens2Torrens or Northern Connector projects then there would surely be a proper investigation.

I'm not sure there will be for this rail project though, it was not too long ago that there was little concern from the government when the Seaford line ran months over time and only opened as far as Noarlunga.

Communication from Adelaide Metro was worse than useless though, with strangers on Facebook being more useful than their heavily promoted MetroMate app. Unlike the construction contractors where there's at least a chance they will take it seriously, I'm 100% sure this won't be subject to a proper investigation.

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  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
The Ghan from Darwin would have passed through on Saturday morning as did the Ghan back to Darwin on Sunday at 12:30pm
Pressman
A post in another forum (Farcebook) had pictures of NR41 for 2AM8 attached to NR109 and NR74 for 1AD8 when they arrived at Keswick on Sunday morning with a comment about a closure of Torrens Junction after the passage of 1AD8.  

I interpreted it to mean the SG was closed after the Ghan passed Sunday lunchtime until sometime Monday.

Richard.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The Ghan from Darwin would have passed through on Saturday morning as did the Ghan back to Darwin on Sunday at 12:30pm
A post in another forum (Farcebook) had pictures of NR41 for 2AM8 attached to NR109 and NR74 for 1AD8 when they arrived at Keswick on Sunday morning with a comment about a closure of Torrens Junction after the passage of 1AD8.  

I interpreted it to mean the SG was closed after the Ghan passed Sunday lunchtime until sometime Monday.

Richard.
rwatts
NR41 was indeed at APT Sunday morning. Maybe some common sense as works could have delayed it on Monday Morning
  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
NR41 was indeed at APT Sunday morning. Maybe some common sense as works could have delayed it on Monday Morning
Pressman
Yes, I read your post in the "Red & Silver Ghan loco sightings" thread (as I always do!) and thought of commenting there.  The FB post I cited was actually by the chap I understand usually operates the shunter at Keswick.

Richard.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
The Gawler line track closures remained in place this morning on both lines.    The effect of this is to effectively reduce the Gawler line to single track working over the cross-over from the Port line to the Gawler line.

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kipioneer
On Tuesday the evening peak traffic didn't suffer much delay at Torrens Bridge.  Some trains were held for a minute or two before proceeding over the crossover.

One thing I did notice was that the feathers from the Up Gawler and Up Port on to the Gaol loop have disappeared. The signals at Torrens Bridge received new LED heads some time ago so I assume the loop feathers were removed then.

Alex C
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Are their any speed restrictions for the Freights around the Torrens Junction areas, with all these works taking place?, and as an aside, I thought the Ghan came back into Adelaide on the Friday ?

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  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
A 30 southbound starts at Nth Adelaide Stn.

Edited: There are 20 TSRs both north- and southbound across the junction and the dogleg deviation.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
A TSR of 20 was imposed over the new pointwork on the Up and Down Gawler lines at Gaol, following removal of the stop boards early yesterday afternoon.  However trains were still being diverted on to the Port lines at 14:30.  Today the Gawler lines were back in use.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Are their any speed restrictions for the Freights around the Torrens Junction areas, with all these works taking place?, and as an aside, I thought the Ghan came back into Adelaide on the Friday ?
Kind Regards
lsrailfan
Between May and October the Darwin to Adelaide Ghan runs as the Expedition special.
It takes an extra day for the journey with a 12 hour stop over in Alice Springs (normally 3.5hrs) and an 11 hour stop over at Manguri (Coober Pedy). Both stop overs have Off Board tours.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Work this weekend has included:
  • fitting the screen panels to posts W of Port Rd
  • piling on S side of line between Park Tce and Gibson St
  • excavation in areas previously piled in fork of Port and ARTC lines
  • cabling work between N Adelaide and Gaol Jn
  • installation of concrete beams on top of the piles between Port and Gawler lines at Torrens Jn.  Some of the beams include anchorage bolts for steel overhead masts
  • significant track works at Gaol Jn.  It appears that the crossovers and connection to the Gaol loop have been replaced by plain track.  This afternoon the Gawler Up line had been lifted between Gaol Jn and the new crossover installed last month.  The Gawler Dn was also being relaid at the same location.  These changes would seem to preclude direct movements between the Gawler line and Platforms 1-4 at ARS.

Alex C
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Interesting video on the construction of the Torrens Road bridge over the South Rd expressway - only half of it is complete so it will be a very wide bridge when finished?

Video here: DPTI SA.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Interesting video on the construction of the Torrens Road bridge over the South Rd expressway - only half of it is complete so it will be a very wide bridge when finished?

Video here: DPTI SA.
don_dunstan
That link doesn't seem to work DD
Is this the one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APi8wwpU4Gc
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It will have to be wide, because it will have five traffic lanes (two each way, plus space for right turns in the middle), a bike lane on each side and a footpath on each side.

The bridges at Grange Road and Torrens Road both have extra width to allow space for signalled right turns (and u-turns to access the other side of South Road) to be completed from opposite directions at the same time, with traffic passing to the right of traffic doing the opposite move.

Grange Road render:


Torrens Road render:


Compare them to the 2009 bridge at Anzac Highway, which was not built wide enough to allow right turns from South Road to Anzac Highway to go from both directions at the same time.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me



Torrens Road render:

justapassenger
Gotta love these "artist's impressions"!
Either the bus on the lowered south road roadway is going against the flow of traffic or it has it's doors on the wrong side! Shocked
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I would say that it's a European bus with doors on the wrong side for Australia, you can just see a Euro style rear vision mirror poking out the front.

Having a rear vision mirror fitted is correct, it would clearly be wrong if one of those were to be seen in an area served by Light City Buses.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
The bus could be a from one of the bus rapid transit systems in South Africa where the bus loads onto an island platform in the middle of the road.
Traffic is on the left so these buses have doors both sides.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Another weekend closure and Bustitution for Grange, Outer Harbor and Gawler lines this weekend.
Ongoing works for Torrens Junction underpass and Park Terrace underpass.
Interestingly saw Stop boards on both tracks at St. Clair station!

And the comical display on a substitute bus travelling along port rd. the dot matrix display showing "Graneg" Shocked
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Seaford/Tonsley services are suspended between Adelaide and Oaklands after a woman driving a Mercedes blundered into the path of a Seaford-bound train at the Emerson junction.

Thankfully for the prospects of keeping an Oaklands-Seaford service running and not having the inner section of the route choked up with EMUs that can't go anywhere, this happened around 3:30pm before the daily six car transfer from Seaford Meadows depot to the city for the peak extras.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Just saw the story on the local 7 News, the Mercedes in question looks like a write-off, it almost got wedged underneath the train - the woman driving was extremely lucky. Apparently the Seaford line is still closed so it will be peak hour chaos -

Also did anyone see the news story being done on the Torrens to Torrens project - they keep saying it's only "months" away from completion but I drove past yesterday and I have my doubts...
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Also did anyone see the news story being done on the Torrens to Torrens project - they keep saying it's only "months" away from completion but I drove past yesterday and I have my doubts...
don_dunstan
Are you sure that was the T2T project and not the much simpler Torrens Rail Junction Project?

The T2T website says it is scheduled to be finished by the end of 2018.

The Torrens Rail Junction Project is supposed to be finished early next year with the lowered track to enter service in December. There will be a couple more full-time closures to come when the heavy lifting will be done.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Are you sure that was the T2T project and not the much simpler Torrens Rail Junction Project?

The T2T website says it is scheduled to be finished by the end of 2018.
justapassenger
It was T2T because they drove a 4WD along the trench near Port Road and showed work on the various bridges including Torrens Rd. I drive past the worksite once or twice a week and work is certainly proceeding quickly but 12-15 months is not "months away" - there's still quite a lot of digging to do and in many places they have barely started.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Perhaps it was referring to just one component of the project, such as the excavations under the bridges? I don't think it would be T2T Alliance trying to mislead people, not when they have the actual date on their website.

It could also have been a production mistake, such as "14 months" being written rather than "fourteen months" and therefore becoming just "months" once loaded onto the teleprompter.

Just saw the story on the local 7 News, the Mercedes in question looks like a write-off, it almost got wedged underneath the train - the woman driving was extremely lucky. Apparently the Seaford line is still closed so it will be peak hour chaos.
don_dunstan
She is certainly lucky that it was an A-City EMU that hit her head on. Older designs like the 3000 Class or the VLocity would have increased the chance of being trapped underneath the front.

The Seaford line train service resumed around 6:30pm.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Perhaps it was referring to just one component of the project, such as the excavations under the bridges? I don't think it would be T2T Alliance trying to mislead people, not when they have the actual date on their website.

It could also have been a production mistake, such as "14 months" being written rather than "fourteen months" and therefore becoming just "months" once loaded onto the teleprompter.
justapassenger
I think it was just a journalist getting too excited. As I said earlier, my own observation is that there's still a lot of work to be done although the part around Port Road is certainly well advanced.
She is certainly lucky that it was an A-City EMU that hit her head on. Older designs like the 3000 Class or the VLocity would have increased the chance of being trapped underneath the front. The Seaford line train service resumed around 6:30pm.
justapassenger
I wonder if there will be any footage of the actual accident; chances are someone with a dash-cam was waiting at the boom gates. Interestingly this railway crossing is slated for removal when the South Road project moves into that area; it will be entirely re-built with South Road to go under the railway line and the Cross Road/interchange apparently to be built above.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Interestingly this railway crossing is slated for removal when the South Road project moves into that area; it will be entirely re-built with South Road to go under the railway line and the Cross Road/interchange apparently to be built above.
don_dunstan
As this area of the North South Corridor project has not gone beyond concepts, anything could happen. There have been all sorts of concepts including the realignment of the rail corridor to remove the rather tight curve just southwest of Emerson Crossing. One I have seen includes using the old Hills Industries site.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Whatever happens, I would be extremely surprised if the railway crossed the NSC at ground level with roads both below and above. The practicality of having the Cross Road intersection at anything other than ground level rules it out.

The NSC is inevitable, but I do see it turning into a political project in terms of one major party preferring an elevated motorway while the other prefers the motorway in a trench, and the party in power at the time getting their choice of strategy. Both main parties in SA agree completely on having rail as a low priority in any respect other than shoving it out of the way for road traffic, so DPTI will have no choice but to rebuild the railway around whatever gets chosen as the headline priority for the motorway.

If the railway was a priority in the project, then it would result in the North-South Motorway being sunk, the intersection between Cross Road, South Road and the motorway ramps at surface level and the railway over the top. It would be the method of least disruption for the railway, just like the bridge built over the T2T section of the NSC with just weekend works and one short shutdown for the heavy lifting. The optics are better too, it's good for motorists to see public transport cruising overhead while they are stuck in a traffic jam.


I think it's fanciful to suggest the line will turn right after Raglan Ave to head through the former Hills site, left to straighten up and then turn right again to point towards Clarence Park station. You won't be able to make things faster by replacing two curves with three in the same space.

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