Canberra ARHS

 
  x31 Chief Commissioner

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Today's the big day! I wish everyone the best on the outcome, although, as known to anyone whose been through a liquidation, the only real winner are the liquidators.

At least those with funds have the chance to secure history. I do note that our Scottish Neighbour hasn't been mentioned on any channel. I wonder what he thinks of the whole situation.

For anyone on the ground in Canberra, if possible, we'd all love to hear how the day pans out.

Update: If you register, you can view the auction (and even bid!) online:
http://console.slatteryauctions.com.au/console/public_console.php?aid=2991
Who or what is the 'Scottish Neighbour'?

Boyd Munroe, had a few ex-Victorian passenger cars, two 49s and 3112?
Often had ARHSACT hook and pull for him.
steven_h
Thanks Steven.
Not that well known around here.
  ssaunders Train Controller

An auction it is https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/bid-to-save-historic-act-rail-museum-rejected-ahead-of-auction
x31

The article is factually incorrect even down to the amount owed. Obviously information supplied by those wanting to buy the equipment which is no big deal. Same people I wonder who took the Administrator to the Supreme Court wanting particular nominated people as the trustees but rejected by the court.

It's rumoured the Administrator might go after them for costs, which no doubt to a chunk of money from today's auction to cover.
  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

Does anybody have any news from today's auction?
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Canberra news on ABC at 7 reported 400k in sales.
I really hope we get to find out who bought what, soon.

UPDATE: http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/abc-news-act/NN1701C183S00
Skip through to 18:50.
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Tens news Adelaide said the same thing, $400,000 in sales inc $37,000 for a steam engine.
  steven_h Train Controller
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
According to the Seven News report a chap called Tony Fenwick from Newcastle bought 3102.  I wonder if he wants to do something with it or if he simply wants an engine at his property...

It would also be interesting to know what happened to 3013 as both engines, despite their condition are the best steam assets to make use of with 3016 for the future, either for operation or as a source of parts / spare boilers.
  M636C Minister for Railways

According to the Seven News report a chap called Tony Fenwick from Newcastle bought 3102.  I wonder if he wants to do something with it or if he simply wants an engine at his property...

It would also be interesting to know what happened to 3013 as both engines, despite their condition are the best steam assets to make use of with 3016 for the future, either for operation or as a source of parts / spare boilers.
TheFish
3016 is superheated.

Both 3102 and 3013 are not superheated.

The boiler is different and the cylinders are different.

Peter
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner
  locowork Beginner

Ladies & Gentlemen
Does anyone have a listing of the prices realized or even some of the prices.
slatterys will not advise the prices paid, unlike other auction houses.
TIA
  ivahri Train Controller

Canberra news on ABC at 7 reported 400k in sales.
I really hope we get to find out who bought what, soon.

UPDATE: http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/abc-news-act/NN1701C183S00
Skip through to 18:50.
steven_h
Why? I don't think we have any right to know who buys what- other than to satisfy the sticky beaks among us. If an item winds up with another heritage group they will most likely tell us soon enough, but if someone used their own money to buy an item for themselves then that is their business and not ours. These have not been publicly owned assets for a very long time, so this expectation to be informed is BS. I'm sorry for the private creditors who got burned by Espee rail... and I'm sorry that a great collection has had to be broken up because a group of individuals screwed up as directors.


Richard
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Sticky-beak/curiosity yes... but as a volunteer (when I lived in Canberra) who helped restore carriages and helped out on trips, I'd love to know which group/organisation to support next if/when any of the cars I helped on run again.
  ivahri Train Controller

Sticky-beak/curiosity yes... but as a volunteer (when I lived in Canberra) who helped restore carriages and helped out on trips, I'd love to know which group/organisation to support next if/when any of the cars I helped on run again.
steven_h
I'm sure you will find out soon enough... their websites will answer your question soon enough.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Canberra news on ABC at 7 reported 400k in sales.
I really hope we get to find out who bought what, soon.

UPDATE: http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/abc-news-act/NN1701C183S00
Skip through to 18:50.
Why? I don't think we have any right to know who buys what- other than to satisfy the sticky beaks among us. If an item winds up with another heritage group they will most likely tell us soon enough, but if someone used their own money to buy an item for themselves then that is their business and not ours. These have not been publicly owned assets for a very long time, so this expectation to be informed is BS. I'm sorry for the private creditors who got burned by Espee rail... and I'm sorry that a great collection has had to be broken up because a group of individuals screwed up as directors.


Richard
ivahri
Honestly; if you were at the auction you would have known who paid what so why is it a big secret. I am not a great fan of the liquidator in any case.
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Some more from the ABC and worth a listen:
http://www.abc.net.au/radio/canberra/programs/breakfast/what-happened-at-canberra-rail-museum-auction/8770224
Carnot
Keith Jones says he will restore the COR petrol tank wagon.
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Some more from the ABC and worth a listen:
http://www.abc.net.au/radio/canberra/programs/breakfast/what-happened-at-canberra-rail-museum-auction/8770224
Carnot

Two end-platform cars to the Old Canberra Inn, Lyneham.
(Unless I google'd the wrong Ben Johnston)
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Interesting ABC report. I noticed that the ubiquitous Keith Jones bought a couple of wagons to take to Dorrigo where, he claims, they will be restored. I've got a cynical ten bucks that says they won't be, and will just join the existing rust 'n rot pile.
  ivahri Train Controller

Canberra news on ABC at 7 reported 400k in sales.
I really hope we get to find out who bought what, soon.

UPDATE: http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/abc-news-act/NN1701C183S00
Skip through to 18:50.
Why? I don't think we have any right to know who buys what- other than to satisfy the sticky beaks among us. If an item winds up with another heritage group they will most likely tell us soon enough, but if someone used their own money to buy an item for themselves then that is their business and not ours. These have not been publicly owned assets for a very long time, so this expectation to be informed is BS. I'm sorry for the private creditors who got burned by Espee rail... and I'm sorry that a great collection has had to be broken up because a group of individuals screwed up as directors.


Richard
Honestly; if you were at the auction you would have known who paid what so why is it a big secret. I am not a great fan of the liquidator in any case.
nswtrains
It isn't a secret... but the buyers and liquidator have no obligation to tell anyone who asks. If you were there & knew the bidder good for you, however if I had bought a carriage for my farm I wouldn't wish it publicised on Railpage. Thieving, tight arsed bastards are everywhere...
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Another lesson to be learned..................

If you own a heritage asset and gift it to a heritage organisation be warned!  I know at least one steam engine and two carriages were privately owned and gifted to ARHS(ACT) by their owners.  These were included in the auction and may now be lost.  I know the new owners have no legal requirement to preserve the items, but they do have a moral responsibility to do the right thing.  We will (maybe) see what happens.

If you do own a heritage asset it would be much safer to retain ownership of the item and lease it to the heritage group.  Alternatively the group should set up a body, at arms length, that owns the assets and lease or loan them to the heritage group for preservation/display/restoration/operation (as many businesses do).  If you retain personal ownership you must prepare and retain documentation detailing the arrangements, and ensure that you have a record of clearly defined ownership.

I can only shiver in horror at the thought of many of these items becoming Hyundais or chook sheds.

It looks as though the administrators were frustrated by some do-gooders and were in no mood to entertain an 11th hour rescue attempt.  It also appears the administrator was strictly focussed on getting as much return on the assets as possible, and bugger any moral responsibility to ensure the future safety of these heritage assets.  There may have been a very bad choice of administrator.

Happy preserving,

John
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

It looks as though the administrators were frustrated by some do-gooders and were in no mood to entertain an 11th hour rescue attempt.  It also appears the administrator was strictly focussed on getting as much return on the assets as possible, and bugger any moral responsibility to ensure the future safety of these heritage assets.  There may have been a very bad choice of administrator.
c3526blue
There is no morality when it comes to picking over the remains of a failed venture. $$$ are the only thing that matters.
The fact that they were heritage items that we loved, and have an interest in their future, sadly matters not one jot.
  alexk Locomotive Driver

Location: Not far from Thornleigh
In response to steven_h's message regarding prices realised, I did note some by following the auction console link. Some prices were:
$4 000 for the shell of 4468;
$5 500 for the 3AG bogies (not  the 3AF bogies);
$10 000 for 3013.

I'm not sure what happened after lot 68 or 69, it seemed that the bidding online function wasn't working so phone bidding was the only option or otherwise on site bidding. I don't know what price was rrealized for the remaining components of 4468 as a consequence. Its a shame that the end platform set 52 appears to have been separated. The 3AG bogies were certainly useful spares for TAM906 as well. From reading the old thread on 3013 here on Railpage Preservation forum it sounded like a significant amount of work had already been performed when it was at the LVR at Cowra to return it towards operation but some of the ancillary yet essential components were missing.

Hopefully that helps you out a little.

A question for M636C or others a little more knowledgeable, were the 30 class tanks using a saturated boiler for their working lives? In my literature the 30T (tender) class used both saturated and superheated boilers. What was the difference in the cylinders between the superheated and saturated 30T class locos?
  allsmiles Station Master

Being an administrator is not a pleasant job (not that I am one or had direct experience). They are a breed of heartless and often sole less individuals who's own costs need to be satisfied long before anything is disbursed.  By the time administrators have been appointed mismanagement of the establishment has been out of control for a long time.

Heritage stock should have been under the ownership of a trust that is not connected or owned by any particular individual or company that can use it for collateral to build up another business.
  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT

A question for M636C or others a little more knowledgeable, were the 30 class tanks using a saturated boiler for their working lives? In my literature the 30T (tender) class used both saturated and superheated boilers. What was the difference in the cylinders between the superheated and saturated 30T class locos?
alexk
There were no Superheated 30 Class Tank Engines.  The conversions were only applied to the 30Ts, although a number of 30 class tanks did have their boiler pressure upped to 175 PSI for a period.

The Super 30Ts were also fitted with Piston Valves as opposed to Slide Valves originally and also lacked the piston rod extensions.

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