Mildura Standard Gauge conversion

 
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
x31 I am fairly sure, most if not all have been condemned because of the concrete cancer, some not even safe to walk near because the concrete is rotten and chunks can randomly fall off.

james at a guess there about 1200 to 1500 tonne I reckon, someone else may have the correct figure, there where a couple of different sizes constructed, similarly the big steal silo's, various sizes 2 - 4-5,000 tonne. ball park ?

BigShunter
BigShunter
The standard concrete silos hold 150,000 bushels which is about 4000 tonnes.   So the large doubles hold 8000 tonnes.

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The sheds were once used. Y Victorian Oat Pool (VOP)
Some are now used to store fodder / straw as will as machinery.

One at Jung Is used as a store for Graincorp for silo machinery.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Those volumes don't warrant them being open IMO.  Significantly higher storage and handling costs per tonne that can be done cheaper at a larger, bunker based site.  So no need for a siding.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Those volumes don't warrant them being open IMO.  Significantly higher storage and handling costs per tonne that can be done cheaper at a larger, bunker based site.  So no need for a siding.
james.au
The silos are sometimes only 5 - 10 km apart.   In the days when the silos were built, the farmers used either horse drawn wagons or small trucks.   The farms were also a lot smaller than they are, and many of the farmers now use semi trailers to carry the loading from the farm to the silo/bunker sites.
The receival sites are now larger and require less staff than manning each silo.   Some silos could have been open all day for one load to arrive.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Those volumes don't warrant them being open IMO.  Significantly higher storage and handling costs per tonne that can be done cheaper at a larger, bunker based site.  So no need for a siding.
The silos are sometimes only 5 - 10 km apart.   In the days when the silos were built, the farmers used either horse drawn wagons or small trucks.   The farms were also a lot smaller than they are, and many of the farmers now use semi trailers to carry the loading from the farm to the silo/bunker sites.
The receival sites are now larger and require less staff than manning each silo.   Some silos could have been open all day for one load to arrive.
Donald
Yeah I grew up next to the Barmedman-Temora line and there were 2 small sites on this section alone. I think one of them was open when I was about 5, as I remember dad delivering soft wheat (Rosella) there as that is where the then GHB (precursor to Graincorp) had a segregation.  Supply chain of a different time period.  now you look at the bunkers on the two sites (one west and one east of Temora) and see a completely different way of doing things.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
x31 I am fairly sure, most if not all have been condemned because of the concrete cancer, some not even safe to walk near because the concrete is rotten and chunks can randomly fall off.

james at a guess there about 1200 to 1500 tonne I reckon, someone else may have the correct figure, there where a couple of different sizes constructed, similarly the big steal silo's, various sizes 2 - 4-5,000 tonne. ball park ?

BigShunter
The standard concrete silos hold 150,000 bushels which is about 4000 tonnes.   So the large doubles hold 8000 tonnes.
Donald
And in these days, that would need only 1-2 trains to clear it out - rather different from the days of the old GY wagon.

The Concrete silos are mostly 1930's era, so yes, Concrete Cancer would be in many, not to mention the elevator machinery would have trouble moving the loads that modern trucks deliver. As a kid in the 1960's I used to hang out at the local silo often and the receival bin took some time to clear before the next truck could discharge. So even if the Structure itself was OK, the equipment would all need upgrading. Some wheat was even received in bags, and emptied into the smaller bin alongside.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
x31 I am fairly sure, most if not all have been condemned because of the concrete cancer, some not even safe to walk near because the concrete is rotten and chunks can randomly fall off.

james at a guess there about 1200 to 1500 tonne I reckon, someone else may have the correct figure, there where a couple of different sizes constructed, similarly the big steal silo's, various sizes 2 - 4-5,000 tonne. ball park ?

BigShunter
BigShunter
From what I can remember from when I did contract work for SACBH, the average twin concrete cell blocks were about 3,000 tons (total) and the average steel shed was around 4k to 5k (but this varied a lot).
BigShunter is quite correct about the "concrete cancer" and although many small silo cell blocks remain dotted around the countryside, many are unusable.
Sadly it is rather expensive to demolish them, so they remain for now.

Edit: Many of the small two cell blocks in SA only had elevators that could handle 40 to 50 Ton per Hour .... so were quite 'slow'
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

Sadly it is rather expensive to demolish them, so they remain for now.
Pressman
Makes the old silos perfect to be used as a blank canvas to paint murals on.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria

Sadly it is rather expensive to demolish them, so they remain for now.Makes the old silos perfect to be used as a blank canvas to paint murals on.
Nightfire
And don`t they look good ?
Brim ; Patchewollock et al
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
View north at the Sunraysia Hwy crossing at Cope Cope.   The west track has been moved in and in place temporarily, except at the crossings from at least Sutherland to Donald.

https://flic.kr/p/WMTNcD
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

View north at the Sunraysia Hwy crossing at Cope Cope.   The west track has been moved in and in place temporarily, except at the crossings from at least Sutherland to Donald.

https://flic.kr/p/WMTNcD
Donald
I don't see any warning lights, bells or boom gates there.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I don't see any warning lights, bells or boom gates there.
Duncs
Look at the shadow.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
I don't see any warning lights, bells or boom gates there.
Look at the shadow.
Nightfire
Because of the angle the rail and road intersect, the crossing lights have to be back a bit.

They also have the early warning yellow lights 100 metres or so before the crossing.
  Operater Junior Train Controller

Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Hi Group,
One Item I have YET to see brought Up is Rolling Stock! Will  it B the Status Quo or will it B New Operaters with New Light Weight  Grain Hoppers. If I understand things the current Cars are reaching the End of their Economic Life so New Cars will probably need to B on Order. I have Seen Videos on Utube of SSR Transporting Train Loads of Older Coal Hoppers east to B Rebuilt into Grain Cars. Can't see them All being used in N S W  If SSR were to get the Opportunities to Transport Grain in Victoria these Extra Cars will come in Handy

Tnx,
Operater.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Hi Group,
One Item I have YET to see brought Up is Rolling Stock! Will  it B the Status Quo or will it B New Operaters with New Light Weight  Grain Hoppers. If I understand things the current Cars are reaching the End of their Economic Life so New Cars will probably need to B on Order. I have Seen Videos on Utube of SSR Transporting Train Loads of Older Coal Hoppers east to B Rebuilt into Grain Cars. Can't see them All being used in N S W  If SSR were to get the Opportunities to Transport Grain in Victoria these Extra Cars will come in Handy

Tnx,
Operater.
Operater
I suspect a fair amount will be bogie exchanged to the new gauge (not uncommon here in Oz)
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
View north at the Sunraysia Hwy crossing at Cope Cope.   The west track has been moved in and in place temporarily, except at the crossings from at least Sutherland to Donald.

https://flic.kr/p/WMTNcD
Donald

Interesting and good to see they are moving track in already.  Why is this a 'temporary' move though?  Or do you mean not yet fastened?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Temporary, as sitting on plates with the bolts only just in.   Waiting for the gauge machine to make sure the blokes drilling the holes in the sleepers got them in the right place before they get fully drilled in.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Well that was quick.  Good to see.  How much is done like this so far?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
View north at the Sunraysia Hwy crossing at Cope Cope.   The west track has been moved in and in place temporarily, except at the crossings from at least Sutherland to Donald.

https://flic.kr/p/WMTNcD

Interesting and good to see they are moving track in already.  Why is this a 'temporary' move though?  Or do you mean not yet fastened?
james.au
I'm surprised the crossing hasn't already been "third railed" like all the crossings in Mildura
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Well that was quick.  Good to see.  How much is done like this so far?
james.au
The actual moving of the rail is the easiest part - there is probably one crew for that, another for the turnouts, then a level crossing crew to follow - and maybe replicated a few times along the way.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
View north at the Sunraysia Hwy crossing at Cope Cope.   The west track has been moved in and in place temporarily, except at the crossings from at least Sutherland to Donald.

https://flic.kr/p/WMTNcD

Interesting and good to see they are moving track in already.  Why is this a 'temporary' move though?  Or do you mean not yet fastened?
I'm surprised the crossing hasn't already been "third railed" like all the crossings in Mildura
Pressman
Yeah, that got me to.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I'm surprised the crossing hasn't already been "third railed" like all the crossings in Mildura
Pressman

Im sure there would be many that are not.  On the GV lines there are quite a few that are still not third railed (though many many are of course, thankfully).
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Some approximate rail distances (kms). These calculations were prompted by discussion in the "Grain Harvest 2016/2017" thread but seem more appropriate here:

Ararat - Portland                                                                                                 ~192
Ararat - North Geelong via Maroona                                                               ~194
Ararat - North Geelong via Ballarat                                                                  ~176
Ararat - Melbourne via Maroona & North Geelong                                        ~265
Ararat - Melbourne via Ballarat & North Geelong                                           ~247
Ararat - Melbourne via Ballarat                                                                          ~211
Maryborough - Portland via Ararat                                                                   ~287
Maryborough - North Geelong via Ararat & Maroona                                    ~289
Maryborough - North Geelong via Ballarat                                                      ~153
Maryborough - Melbourne via Ararat, Maroona & North Geelong               ~360
Maryborough - Melbourne via Ballarat & North Geelong                               ~224
Maryborough - Melbourne via Ballarat                                                             ~188


Based on Vicsig distances:
Maroona - Portland                                              ~171
Maroona - North Geelong                                   ~173
Maroona - Ararat                                                    ~21
Ararat - Maryborough                                            ~95
Ararat - Ballarat                                                      ~92
Ballarat - Maryborough                                         ~69
Ballarat - Melbourne (SCS)                                 ~119
Ballarat - North Geelong                                       ~84
Melbourne (SCS) - North Geelong                       ~71
(For DG calculations when considering Geelong - Ballarat, and points west, SG passenger services and/or Ararat - Ballarat converted to SG.)
North Geelong - Geelong                                        ~3
Geelong - Waurn Ponds                                        ~12
Ballarat - Wendouree                                               ~5
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I'm surprised the crossing hasn't already been "third railed" like all the crossings in Mildura

Im sure there would be many that are not.  On the GV lines there are quite a few that are still not third railed (though many many are of course, thankfully).
james.au
It suspect that the 'third rail' is usually added when the level crossing needs to be renewed, rather than ripping up the road to add it. The Oaklands line was like that, some (mostly around Yarrawonga) had the third rail as the road itself had been worked on in the years previously.
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
they put the third rail in one line in Echuca when they recently redid the Pakenham St Crossing. the other line was left Broad Gauge and the line to the silos wasn't put in reducing the 3 track crossing to 2.

the removal of that line also knocked out the siding on the other side of the road to it as there is now not a loco length between the points and the end of track. the trains used to pushback across the crossing, head back towards the silos then push back into that siding.  I am not sure when they were last used

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