AFL Season 2017

 
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
AFL teams put a GREAT deal of practice/training to play there particular way, Aussie rules is so fast the players reactions need to be instinctive, hence the great amount of practice required, changing the style of play at a moments notice is almost impossible and is likely to create a complete disaster.
wwodford
Tell that to Ron Barassi - down by 40 points in a Carlton/Collingwood grand final, he completely changed the Carlton style of play and won.
Contrary to what you may believe, players aren't robots and can kick long if instructed.
Finally; for you to state that a change in the style of play could end in a complete disaster is absolute nonsense. What greater disaster is there for a team than losing a grand final? I repeat what I said earlier, it doesn't matter if you lose a grand final by one point or 20 goals. The result is the same. Apparently you are prepared to accept defeat with a quarter to go which is negative thinking at its best. Barassi succeeded because he refused to lie down and took the approach of "Try something"! Other coaches should take note - it's not new. It's called thinking outside the square. Adelaide, since quarter time, had been outscored by 14 goals to 4. To play the same style of football that had got them into this mess was obviously not going to get them out of it. I'd be asking a few questions of Don Pike if I was Adelaide's CEO.

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Five weeks after his season ended, Port Power ruckman Paddy Ryder has applied to leave the club and be traded to Yatala or Mobilong.

Port has praised the departing ruckman, saying that even in his resignation statement early on Sunday he has always demonstrated his true commitment to the club culture and would be welcome back after a couple of years at one of those clubs.

The Collingwood Supporters Club is also understood to be interested, saying he would be a great fit for them.

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  woodford Chief Commissioner

AFL teams put a GREAT deal of practice/training to play there particular way, Aussie rules is so fast the players reactions need to be instinctive, hence the great amount of practice required, changing the style of play at a moments notice is almost impossible and is likely to create a complete disaster.
Tell that to Ron Barassi - down by 40 points in a Carlton/Collingwood grand final, he completely changed the Carlton style of play and won.
Contrary to what you may believe, players aren't robots and can kick long if instructed.
Finally; for you to state that a change in the style of play could end in a complete disaster is absolute nonsense. What greater disaster is there for a team than losing a grand final? I repeat what I said earlier, it doesn't matter if you lose a grand final by one point or 20 goals. The result is the same. Apparently you are prepared to accept defeat with a quarter to go which is negative thinking at its best. Barassi succeeded because he refused to lie down and took the approach of "Try something"! Other coaches should take note - it's not new. It's called thinking outside the square. Adelaide, since quarter time, had been outscored by 14 goals to 4. To play the same style of football that had got them into this mess was obviously not going to get them out of it. I'd be asking a few questions of Don Pike if I was Adelaide's CEO.
Valvegear
Its probably useless to reply here , anyway here goes..............

The grand final (1970) you mentioned is now 47 years ago, the game is now much quicker, and what I am saying is they DO now put a great effort into there game plan and like all modern athletes they enter a game believing there game plan if followed to the letter WILL win them the game. In both the 2007 and 2011 grand finals, the comentators called for the losing team to change think out side the square and change there game plan and they did not because as its not as easy as it would appear.

While its tragedy on the day to lose a grand final particularly if one is real smashed, neither team in saturdays game had been any where near a grand final in many years so a defeat is not QUITE as bad as it can be.

woodford
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The grand final (1970) you mentioned is now 47 years ago, the game is now much quicker, and what I am saying is they DO now put a great effort into there game plan and like all modern athletes they enter a game believing there game plan if followed to the letter WILL win them the game.
woodford
In other words, players and coaches now are dumber than they were 47 years ago. When does it become obvious that the belief in the one and only game plan is totally wrong? I'll tell you; three-quarter time last Saturday. I don't know why you're happy to accept defeat. Desperate situations need desperate measures. There was nothing to lose by trying a radical change.
  4BJ Chief Commissioner

Location: Backside almost trackside at Hawthorn near Mitcham
Vindication.

That is the word of the moment for me.  Back in 1983, I became a Hawthorn Supporter.  When the Adelaide Football Club joined the AFL, I made the decision to remain loyal to Hawthorn.  I got lucky.  One year later, Hawthorn got the silverware and my decision to remain loyal was Vindicated.  Fast Forward to 2017.  After the game, I called one of my brothers, who is a Richmond Supporter.  Like myself, he chose to remain loyal.  It has taken him twenty seven years, but he has been Vindicated.  He stuck it out for a bloody long time, and it has paid off.  I am proud of him.

Vindication.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The grand final (1970) you mentioned is now 47 years ago, the game is now much quicker, and what I am saying is they DO now put a great effort into there game plan and like all modern athletes they enter a game believing there game plan if followed to the letter WILL win them the game.
In other words, players and coaches now are dumber than they were 47 years ago. When does it become obvious that the belief in the one and only game plan is totally wrong? I'll tell you; three-quarter time last Saturday. I don't know why you're happy to accept defeat. Desperate situations need desperate measures. There was nothing to lose by trying a radical change.
Valvegear
Have a read of the books "Mission" and Mission 2" by Scot Gullen, these cover Geelong from 2007 to 2011 and give an excellent insight into how a modern AFL team is required to be run. Now I am not an enormouse fan of either AFL or Geelong but was greatly interested in Geelong's massive turn around. The books cover in GREAT detail how modern AFL teams train and work, for anyone  a fan of sport or simply how a team can achieve the almost impossible, these are WELL worth a read.

woodford
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Done and dusted for the year, except for the back page of "The Hun" where the season never ends.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I have to say that I can never understand the tactics of a team in Adelaide's position in this game. They started the last quarter needing to kick 6 goals to nil in order to win. What did they do? They short-passed in the back half and messed with the ball which hadn't got them very far to that point in the game.
It called for long kicks straight down the middle at every opportunity. To win, they had to re-think and try something radical. In a grand final it doesn't matter whether you lose by one point or 20 goals, but at least have a go.
Valvegear
As a Crows fan being told all year that we were a shoe-in for the flag I told anyone who would listed that I feared that our game was too one dimensional. Great transition football from half back (set up by a truly brilliant defensive setup) and a big 3 pronged forward line and Betts and others ready to clean up if needed.

When we were put under severe pressure and that game plan didn't work there didn't seem to be anything to fall back on. That is what happened on Saturday although it didn't help that we seemed overawed by the occasion.

When we were 6 goals down in the final quarter it would have seemed logical to do just what you describe above. The problem is that IS our game plan and it was already not working against the Tigers and I don't think the lads in the midfield had the confidence to try to boot it in long to the big forwards when Jenkins, Otten, Walker etc had had no impact on the game to that point.

BG

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